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n27965
24th Oct 2007, 12:34
I have the chance to fly in the US in a couple of weeks.

Since I'm a f**** lucky guy, I wiil have the choice between 2 great Beech, the F33A and the V35B.

Both birds have about the same perfs and MTOW figures.

As an ingenuous boy, I flew both aircraft with FS2004. Even if it shouldn't exactly match the actual Beechcraft, I found both have the same behaviour except for landings.

The V35B seems to balloon more than the F33A, especially if the airspeed on short final exceed 75kts.

Is it the case for the actual conditions ?

Thanks.

Charlie Hotel Xray
24th Oct 2007, 12:39
Strewth, I can hear the FTDK breathing heavily from here!:}

Jabawocky
24th Oct 2007, 12:43
I reckon he will be here any minute now......

V35B is nice to land, just dont have too much back trim, its sensitive on the controls!

Lovely machine to fly!

J:ok:

ForkTailedDrKiller
24th Oct 2007, 12:43
Hmmmm! FS2004? Very authoritative reference!

I may be a ham-fisted Neanderthal, but ........

I would not pick the difference between the V35B and the F33A, unless I got in turbulence and let the 35 wag its tail.

Essentially the same aeroplane.

Dr :8

Charlie Hotel Xray
24th Oct 2007, 12:45
Yep, the Doc has arrived in under 10 minutes! (You can't get the police here that quickly!)

ForkTailedDrKiller
24th Oct 2007, 12:47
Two Bonanza threads on the same page !!!!

Where's Chuckles when you need someone to share the joy with?

Dr :8

Chimbu chuckles
24th Oct 2007, 14:45
Oh I am about...just pondering the youngsters these days and their FS version of 'reality'.:rolleyes:

Jabawocky
24th Oct 2007, 21:44
Good old Microsoft FS

Proves you can land a 747 at 350kts and a decentrate of 10,000FPM:eek:

J:}

Hpoe the FTDK is ready for the big X-Oz trip! Going to be a blast!!!!:ok:

n27965
24th Oct 2007, 21:46
To Chimbu chuckles,

Where did you read I'm considering FS flights as reality.

I'm just trying to figure out if the difference I noticed between these two planes in FS2004 is the same for actual flights.

If I took everything in FS for granted, do you think I would have taken the opportunity to post this thread !?

morno
24th Oct 2007, 22:28
Where did you read I'm considering FS flights as reality.

Ummmm, in the line right below it,:E

I'm just trying to figure out if the difference I noticed between these two planes in FS2004 is the same for actual flights.

Walrus 7
24th Oct 2007, 23:27
I've never had the good fortune to fly a 33, but the ballooning in the V35B is likely to be caused by flaring too aggressively. That could be a function of your controller as well as over-enthusiasm.

This I have quite a bit of experience with!

Walrus

MikeJulietHotel
25th Oct 2007, 00:43
Oh I am about...just pondering the youngsters these days and their FS version of 'reality'.:rolleyes:

Best one I heard was:

"The 737 is very close to reality, it flies just like the simulator"

:confused:

MJH

n27965
25th Oct 2007, 08:47
Anyway, I'm glad, with a double American and Swiss CPL and over 8'500 hours, to be considered as a youngster.

I feel 15 years youger thanks to you...;o)

Peter Fanelli
25th Oct 2007, 09:44
You have 8500 hours and you're getting a boner about flying a light single?

Is that a FS issued CPL or what?

When you go to the US will you be flying it on FS2004 or FSX?

Wheeler
25th Oct 2007, 10:27
Must admit that's a question I am wondering about too. I'm afraid I'm seriously on the point of deserting my (not so) faithful wobbly wheeled Cessna for the dreaded Bo - was thinking F33A but the Doc says...

'Essentially the same aeroplane'.... so no reason not to go for a V35B?

ForkTailedDrKiller
25th Oct 2007, 10:43
"Essentially the same aeroplane'.... so no reason not to go for a V35B?"

Wheeler

Welcome to the dark side!

The statement above refered to handling characteristics only.

The equivalent F33A does not have C of G issues to the same extent as the V35B, as the straight-tail configuration is better able to deal with a rearward C of G.

The V35B is essentially a 3 place aeroplane because of C of G issues. It is VERY easy to load the aeroplane out the back of the envelope.

I don't have the charts for a 33 but my understanding is that it is much better in this department.

The A36, of course, largely eliminated the issue.

If a sweet handling 3 seater serves your purposes, then the V35B is hard to beat.

Give me a typical load and I'll run them through my W&B program for the V35B.

Dr :8

n27965
25th Oct 2007, 11:55
to Peter Fanelli

So, you're considering forums are only meant for student pilots. Very interesting !

Did you once hear about humility !?

I'm just asking a sensible question I would have asked anyway, with or without FS.

Cemeteries are full of (so called) pilots who thought they were smarter than the others.

MACH082
25th Oct 2007, 12:02
I would believe 8000 hours behind an RC, and 500 on flight sim!

Wheeler
25th Oct 2007, 12:45
Thanks Doc. Have not quite passed over yet.... I'd heard that but did not realise they are quite so easily limited to 3 seats - some of them seem to have 5 and baggage doors that look like they should carry a fair weight in the back!

Anything N27965 and I need to know about Dutch roll? (has to be a pun somewhere there) and is it true the FDTK lable essentially came from the need for an autopilot to keep both prongs pointing roughly upwards in IMC?

BTW n27965, why 27965?

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n27965
25th Oct 2007, 13:25
Cause next time I'll own a plane, I will try to get this n number (I'm born September 27th, 1965)