Cockpit Visits, DOTARS and Pablo

[Guptar]

Reading about the Airline Captain that was fired recently in the UK for allowing a pax to travel in the cockpit.

I believe the rule not allowing it is from DOTARS here on Oz, not CASA.

Does an airline have to submmit its security program to CASA, is it an AOC matter?

What would happen of if mr moneybags buys wallaby airlines and then says, its my airline and I will decide who travels in My cockpit., DOTARS and puts in in the ops manual etc......basically tells DOTARS they can stick it where the sun dont shine.

Can DOTARS pull an AOC.

Furher more, if Mr moneybags buy a BBJ as a private aircraft, does the same rule apply.

[training wheels]

I believe the rule not allowing it is from DOTARS here on Oz, not CASA.
Hmmm... I just so happen to be reading this in the CAR's this evening (got nothing better to do on a Sunday night :8 ) ...

CAR 1998, 227 Admission to crew compartment
(1) A person may enter the crew compartment of an aircraft during flight only if:

(a) the person is a member of the operating crew of the aircraft; or
(b) the person is permitted by the pilot in command to enter that
compartment.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.


So this would suggest that it's up to the pilot in command's discretion as to whether Joe/Josephine Blogs can enter the crew compartment.

I'm not quite sure what DOTAR's is, but can it over rule what's stated in the CAR's?

[Islander Jock]

Transport Security Regulations 2005

4.67 Security of flight crew compartment — all aircraft
(1) This regulation applies to an aircraft that is used to operate a prescribed air service.

.........
(4) A person must not be allowed to enter the cockpit after the aircraft has taken off unless:
(a) he or she is authorised to do so by the aircraft’s pilot in command or the aircraft’s operator and:
(i) is a member of the aircraft’s crew; or
(ii) is an employee of the aircraft’s operator; or
(iii) is authorised or required by the Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 or the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 to enter the cockpit; and
(b) he or she holds appropriate identification as a person referred to in paragraph (a).
(5) If subregulation (2), (3) or (4) is contravened, the operator of the aircraft concerned commits an offence.
Penalty: 200 penalty units.


OK so the above refers to entering the cockpit after takeoff. I would think that airline company security procedures further prohibit non essential crew or non company staff from being allowed to travel in the cockpit.

DOTARS drives aviation security (very poorly)
An AOC as far as I am aware is not tied to the Transport Security Program (TSP) for an AOC holder although there may be some reference to the TSP in the Company Procedures Manual.

These rules only apply to "presciribed air services" ie JET RPT. So if Mr Moneybags has a BBJ or anything else, nothing in ATSRs restricts entry to the cockpit. That's the way I read it anyway.
Don't ask DOTARs for advice or an interpretation - They have demonstrated clearly to me on more than one occasion that they do not understand the legislation they are meant to be enforcing.