Best Roster in Corporate/biz jet world?

[angelorange]

Who has the most stable roster flying biz jets?

NJE
Global Jet lux
TAG
European Business jets
Hangar 8
LEA
Club328
Gama
PrivatAir
DCA
Cirrus
JCB
Eurojet

any others not listed

Thanks

[Crosswind Limits]

Add Jet Aviation and Bluestream to the above list.

I know a few on the list that won't be near the top of the pile!:hmm:

TAG and NJE would be somewhere near the top!

[international hog driver]

Add NJME if you like long breaks.

35 on 31 off

[bizantin]

Get rid of globaljet if you are not very very flexible!....

[jr of dallas]

yeah global jet with The 30 days on / 30 days on ROster..!!!:D

[norwegian pilot]

Global Jet has 15/15 or 20/10 with vacation.

[flybypilot]

Hangar 8 now operate a 6 on 3 off I believe and around 21 days holiday! TAG guys seem happy with the 2/2 rotation

[Flintstone]

TAG rosters vary. Though 2/2 is most common some have other arrangements, mine is 1/1.

28 days holiday too which I thought was the legal minimum?

[ShyTorque]

Surely JCB must be the best company to work for? :)

[Arkwright]

LEA are 6 on 3 off.

[Aussie]

If 28 is the legal min, then whats netjets doing giving 22days holiday!!

[scambuster]

as smeagel will tell you, NJE don't give you anything!:E

[GLFSTMFIVE]

How about
GV Executive,
Jet Club,
IJM,
Bookajet
Shell
anyone got any input on these companies

[international hog driver]

So what have we got

NJE 6 on 5 off?
NJI 7/7
NJME 35/31
Execujet 14/14
Jet Alliance 18/12 (fleet dependant)
Comlux 12/10 (? hearsay)
Global Jet lux 15 / 15 or 20/10 with holidays
TAG 14/14
European Business jets 6/3?
Hangar 8 6/3
LEA 6/3
Gama 14/14 (tba)
DCA (Full time?)
Cirrus 16/13 or 7/4
PrivatAir ?
JCB ?
Eurojet ?
GV Executive ?
Jet Club ?
IJM ?
Bookajet ?
Shell ?
VistaJet ?
Club328 Kaos?

[Doodlebug]

Bear in mind that most of the advertised 'so many days on/equal amount of days off' rosters in reality mean a day or 2 added to the on-period for travel to and from home. No other way to do it if 4 people are rotating.
Having said that, Execujet's 2 week/2 week is adhered to. Good life.

[Spam Up]

Personally I think the idea of 2wks on/ 2wks off sounds great, dunno bout the month on/off though.

Do you think the above types of rosters are seen as a bit of a hardship and therefore less apply for them (thinking about less competition), do bizjet pilots generally prefer the netjets type of roster ?

What about the companys ......................do they mind if you freelance on your time off ?

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[artip]

NJE 6 on 5.
Cirrus 14/14 on the larger planes( legacy, CL-604, etc)
VistaJet 10/7

[Hasher]

EBJ 6 on 3 off will be moving to 5 on 4 off by Christmas...

[Flintstone]

If 28 is the legal min, then whats netjets doing giving 22days holiday!!


Ahh, my son. Many are the mysteries of the Netjets contracts. The biggest one of all being how they get away with it :E

[Aussie]

Yeah just what i expected... more mysteries!!!

[Dries v.d. Tillaard]

ok , now you've gotten me REALLY curious ( not to say a bit worried ) since I'm considering a move.

[artip]

"Ahh, my son. Many are the mysteries of the Netjets contracts. The biggest one of all being how they get away with it :E "



Not a mystery at all actually!

They just devide their crews into several different contracts in different countries and try to keep it as vague as possible, then spread the signing due dates out over one years time period and voila!

In the mean time ignore inputs from crews, ignore requests for clarification, and hand out goodies to some to keep them happy! Ha, dead EASy, isn't it?

[Caledonian]

Air Charter Scotland pilots do 5 on 3 off

[Stupidbutsaveable]

Dries

Most of the gripes on this thread ref NJE contracts are from those who were responsible for their own tax on the old contract. On changeover some nationalities lost out due to national tax concessions. The frustration is understandable but I think the Company had to change it's policy. As a new hire it is much as you would expect; you are European enjoying the benefits of living and working in Europe, hence you pay tax! As a Dutch guy I don't think you'll be too unhappy paying 25% basic plus UK NI. Paying UK NI and getting Dutch welfare is a pretty good deal I would suggest.

[artip]

Stupidbutsaveable,

Did you actually read thru a new EU nje (non UK, non PRT)contract?

Wether you pay tax here or there is not the main problem for most of the nationalities, but the stuff that's in there, is worst than previous contracts!

Cheers,
A

[falconbis]

for the 22 days with NJE, they came around by selling to the authority 22 days + 6 special days off ....some guys don t even request those SDO and if you ask for they will build the roster to get those SDO in your days off !!! in other world you don t get it as holidays, that s a little tricks ..
About the tax in portugal, NI in UK etc....some guys are happy like the dutch or the German cause they will pay a lot of more in they country but the concern of most of the crew is : Once you have paid for all those years taxes and NI outside your country of residence, (on a lower basis for some ), how can you be sure that once retired or in need of your deserved benefits you will get it ?
To whom are you going to claim your benefit.....Dutchland...Germany ..England ???? Netjets says with the form E111 it will be ok....who can certified today that you will get it ? only the Portuguese and the Brits are cover, everybody else is in a grey area!!!
Now lets imagine that it s time to claim your benefits and your country reject your claim because your contribution through England was too little ...you turn toward England and they send you back to your country because you are not uk resident or citizen...what s next ? call netjets HR ? good luck :(
Its a dream to believe that with only 5.5 to 8 % of salary contribution to NI you will get those great and expensive benefits from continental Europe where others pay up to 45 % to get it...

[Dries v.d. Tillaard]

That sounds as a rather messy situation you could very well end up in.
Bureaucrats being what they are and all...Well let's see : you are a Dutchman , living in Holland ( Dutchland;-) , paying taxes in Portugal and you'd like to receive social benefits from the U.K.?
I really don't hear the European anthem playing in the background yet , as I already have some major grievances as it is now , what with living in Holland and paying taxes/NI in Dzjermany...European Union my flying Dutch beh1nd..

@stupidbutsaveable: thanks for clearing that one up.

[bizantin]

My view is same as ice on the wing: If there is a doubt, then, there is no doubt!!!
I did not want to wait until I am an-almost-dead-pilot 65years old to find out the answer...do you?!!
Be my guest.

biz

[angelorange]

"So what have we got

NJE 6 on 5 off?
NJI 7/7
NJME 35/31
Execujet 14/14
Jet Alliance 18/12 (fleet dependant)
Comlux 12/10 (? hearsay)
Global Jet lux 15 / 15 or 20/10 with holidays
TAG 14/14
European Business jets 6/3?
Hangar 8 6/3
LEA 6/3
Gama 14/14 (tba)
DCA (Full time?)
Cirrus 16/13 or 7/4
PrivatAir ?
JCB ?
Eurojet ?
GV Executive ?
Jet Club ?
IJM ?
Bookajet ?
Shell ?
VistaJet ?
Club328 Kaos?"

thanks

[saffron]

Tag,Moscow base, now on 16 on 14 off plus 16 days leave per annum,(so called 14/14 was actually 16/12 due to positioning on days off) Happy with current deal.

[flyingelf]

Eurojet that now is AirFour will be 5/3 from middle of November, not always 5/3 maybe sometimes 6/2 ...but not so clear yet :hmm: with total 10 days off per month and 36 holiday a year
something is changing maybe better :confused:

[galaxy flyer]

Retired corporate pilot? :E:E:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[EatMyShorts!]

Actually NJE is 6 ON & 5 OFF. If you are on the large fleet they will vary between 6 ON & 5 OFF and 7 ON & 6 OFF.

[2604]

As from 1st October 2007 the Working Time (Amendment) Regulations 2007, SI 2007/2079 "boost the minimum holiday entitlement for most full time workers from 20 days a year to 24 days this October, and to 28 days from April 2009" (see 2007/06/12 - DTI Press Release "Extra holidays for up to six million workers").

Under law in force until 1st October 2007 almost every worker has the right to four weeks paid holiday per year, or proportionally for part of a year - so, for example, a full time worker who works 5 days a week is entitled to a minimum of 20 days paid holiday per year and a worker who works 3 days a week is entitled to 12 days paid holiday per year (see notes at Holidays/Working Time Regulations 1998 ).

The 2007 increase takes place in two stages (i) from four weeks to 4.8 weeks from 1st October 2007, and (ii) from 4.8 weeks to 5.6 weeks on 1st April 2009 (postponed from 1st October 2008 - see Hansard HC col 49WS, 12th June 2007). A full time worker who works 5 days a week will thus be entitled to a minimum of 24 days per year as from 1st October 2007 and to 28 days as from 1st April 2009.

The change is phased in on a pro rata basis from 1st October 2007 so, for example, an employee whose leave year begins on 1st April will have a holiday entitlement of:


4.4 weeks in the leave year April 2007-March 2008

4.8 weeks in the leave year April 2008-March 2009

5.6 weeks in the leave year April 2009-March 2010 and thereafter.
Important detail points to note include that it will be possible, if employer and worker agree, for the new additional holiday to be carried forward and that part days’ holiday entitlement will not be rounded up.

The rules regarding time off on bank and public holidays remain unchanged - there is no statutory right to holiday on those days, with or without pay (see Holidays/public and bank holidays ).

There are full details on a special BERR Holiday entitlement website. This includes a BERR Holiday Entitlement "calculator".

[bizantin]

Globaljet is not an option. They are well under crewed and make you go beyond the 15days (way beyond!). The 15ON/15OFF is not even an illusion...

[Spam Up]

Good thread this !

when you say ''way beyond'', how much beyond and do they compensate you for it ?


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[bizantin]

No compensation at all (just per diem...). crewing level varies on every fleet. The hawker fleet is probably the one suffering the most...

[Spam Up]

Hi

Good thread !

Would like to see it get some more info on the rosters of bizjet operators also min req's for hiring !

Anyone know anything about bookajet ? and whom should be the lucky recipient of my CV !

PM's most welcome



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[angelorange]

Another factor to consider:

Best benefits eg: hols, flight pay, per diems, pay for worked days off, pensions, loss of licence insurance.

As a starter:

FRA: 27 days plus stat., none, as per RAF rates, n/a, depends on join date, yes

LEA: 20 days plus stat., £75 capts, £50 per night, double flt pay, n/a, n/a

Others?

[pilotbear]

IJC at EGLF are supposed to be 2 wks on 1 off for GLEX and G550