cyprus air captain suspended because of tech log entry

[iqit]

is it true?
he/she got suspended because he "dared" to make an entry ,causing delay and x amount of money to the company.......talking about managment geting involved in the flying part of a company.sounds like safety is yet again first priority for airlines this days.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Airbus_a321]

you don't have to go so far( far in terms coming from Europe), to have similar situations. e.g. Maintenance managment people could make your captains life very hard, just for doingyour job and make a required, serious techlog entry.

[Lord Lucan]

so, is there actually a rumour here? or just a rumour of one?

[veraviametro]

The truth is the specific captain had previous problems with the airline always being too ''sensitive'' with hypothetical problems he could only found even when the engineers prove him he was wrong,and while he had the chance to report what he believed was wrong with the airplane at cyprus,he didhnt do that because another pilot would flew it and he wouldhnt win anything.

So he decided to take the airplane in Uk and report the problem there where a greater impact would take place in the airline.

The specific guy took a month for holidays in summer claiming family problems,and he went to australia having fun while the rest pilots of the airline were working non-stop to cover his position...

In this case my friends you can see who is right...

[yamaha]

yes obviously not you.

Cyprus has been a disgrace for many years. Too much meddling from politicians. All talk and no action.

As a country you should be black listed. I know it, you know it.

The truth is more along the lines of A321's post

[veraviametro]

The safety record of Cyprus Airways is second to none in its 60 years of its life...not even one serious incident

Gecat chooses Cyprus Airways for their type rating base training,the same is cockpit4u and Lufthansa asks them if they can provide them with line training....

Not bad for an airline that comes from a country with population of 700 000,with the half island occupied by the turks...

If 60 years of operation with no serious accident is not safe..then i dont think you understand what safety is...

ps=Mr John Cochrane,yes the chief test pilot of Concorde flew commerciallly for Cyprus airways untill he retired...so u have right maybe having such pilots its not safe....what do u know?

[Green Guard]

Not bad for an airline that comes from a country with population of 700 000,with the half island occupied by the turks...

Ocupied by Turks may be, but it is not occupied by European weather. And that island has been a part of some unresolved oxygen mistery in the near past, hasn't it?

And when we talk about having clean & white pages of tech log book and quite opposite picture in technical health, then the Greek part of island is not much different from occupied (by Turks) part of island.

[Bellerophon]

veraviametro

...Mr John Cochrane,yes the chief test pilot of Concorde...

I'm second to none in my admiration of John Cochrane, but I think you'll find that Brian Trubshaw (UK) and André Turcat (France) were the Concorde chief test pilots.

Bellerophon

[6000PIC]

Veraviametro sounds like the typical "Uber" Nationalist that would turn a blind eye to the truth ( whatever the specific aircraft tech issue concerned here ) in defense of Cyprus Air , is that a good or a bad thing , I`ve made my decision. We`ve got wayyyyy to many of the likes of you in this industry. Hip hip hooray for their safety record but if it`s built on intimidation and unsafe practice , like they say , everyone will have an accident if you keep flying long enough with your grey matter in IMC.

[veraviametro]

I m not a nationalist or something as you may think,but its good if you can see the coin from both sides,just because most people here are pilots does not mean you have to be on pilots side...

Ask the rest of the captains of Cyprus Airways where did they go for summer holidays while this guy you support was a month on vacations...

ps= Cyprus Airways won last year the noise abandoned procedure over manchester and this year won the best improvement in noise abandoned procedure from last year of all airlines operating at manchester.I am not saying Cyprus Air is one of the best airlines but you cannot say that they are not safe when they have 60 years of clean sheet operation and major training organisations from uk and germany trust them...

ps2=Cyprus air only lost airplanes when turkish troops in 1974 turkish invasion where shooting at them while they were parked

[Shiny side down]

Vera,
Perhaps you should confine discussion to the subject rather than raise points of prejudice from your homeland.

The Turkish issue is seemingly irrelevant to a tech log/Pilot suspension issue.

[130.4]

A quick question for Veraviametro:

You seem to be implying that this particular pilot is not very well-liked by other CY pilots. Why then did almost all of them (perhaps actually all of them?) go on an immediate strike without warning, from Larnaca and Paphos airports, between 2pm and 8pm on Friday?

[frozen man]

Yamaha you really do not know of what you speak, i have worked in cyprus not that many years ago and found it to be a very well run and safety driven aviation industry.

[J.O.]

Sorry for the thread creep, but...

Vera,
Perhaps you should confine discussion to the subject rather than raise points of prejudice from your homeland.

The Turkish issue is seemingly irrelevant to a tech log/Pilot suspension issue.

I understand their overall upset and frustration in that area, but complaining about it incessantly seems to be a national pastime in Cyprus. On a recent 4 hour bus tour of some historic sites around Limassol, the tour guide mentioned "the illegal occupation of Cyprus by Turkish invaders" no less than 16 times (yes, I counted them). Once or twice would have been sufficient. But his repeated whinging only served to p#$^ off a bus load of international visitors and I didn't see one of them give him a tip at the end of the tour.

As for the log entry fiasco, firing someone for making a legitimate entry is grounds for a significant wrongful dismissal suit (in civilized areas of the world).

[yamaha]

i have worked in cyprus not that many years ago and found it to be a very well run and safety driven aviation industry.

Then go back to commenting on things you know about.

Cyprus would have no industry without a corrupt political system...FULL STOP

I am not just talking about Cypriot politics either.

[veraviametro]

Most of the pilots strike because that man belonged to a union and they had to support him either way,many pilots coming from the same union did go to their job ignoring the strike...

And yamaha,it seems you live in a country where politicians are Saints and are not corrupted...interesting to learn where you come from,maybe politicians there care about you and give you money at the end of the month because they love you....but when you receive gifts from them i guarantee you its not christmas its elections time...Wake up

[Warbirds]

Vera,

i hope CY has 600 years of accident free history, but you're a fool to think that it could never happen to CY etc, etc, :ugh:
And whats the big fuss about one Captain going on vacation which leads to the rest flying their butts off ? this implies that CY is running on low manpower! do you think this is SAFE? :eek:

[Cytherea]

For some reason I feel obliged to rush to Vera's defence here. There seems to be an attitude towards his posts that leads one to beleive he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.
Yet his facts are correct - they haven't lost an aircraft or had a serious incident in 60 years of flying. Whether or not another independent Cypriot airline has had an incident is neither here nor there it is not in CY's remit to police the other airlines in the country - that is the Cypriot CAA's job. LH, GECAT and others do use them for training, the Late great John Cochrane was deputy chief test pilot. I think there is too much worrying over semantics and not enough thinking over the substance of the text. It would be best rembered that English is not everyone's first language. Perhaps by mentioning the pilot's "holiday" what Vera means is sick leave which is therefore unplanned and requires addition resource management to cover. Whilst Greek Cyprus does indeed seem to be obsessed with the Turkish invasion I wonder if it is any different in Palestine, Tibet or even Iraq?
Apologies for diverting off the subject but I just feel that Vera's point of view is being rubbished with no particular thought to the facts.

[flash2002]

Yep all british airlines are safe and the rest is ****!:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[ATC Watcher]

One indeed should not mix up Cyprus Airways with Cyprus as political entity, and with a certain airline that used to have a sun in their tail .
(Incidentally that second airline was regulated, checked and technically advised by British citizens , wasn't it ? :rolleyes:)
The general attitude on the Cypriot DGAC , and the political situation regarding their relations with Turkey and the North part of Cyprus part are also totally different issues.
Lastly, seen the size of the population , the " Aviation " family is very small and everyone knows each other personally. Therefore things gets very personal sometimes.

[yamaha]

I am not just talking about Cypriot politics either

My quote from earlier should have made it clear that I was not just referring to Cypriot politics although..........................

Cyprus has some serious regulatory issues that would not be tolerated anywhere else. Incompetent European politicians failed to blacklist Cyprus or in fact take other appropriate actions before the black list came along.

This has been the situation for many many years.

It was due to my personal experiences of the situation that I was angered by
veraviametro's original post. There is nothing to talk about here except the state of Cypriot aviation (not just Cyprus Airways) and the actions of the captain.

Other issues surrounding this Captain (if there are any) have nothing to do with this thread:=

veraviametro, your behaviour follows certain corrupt traits that I thought I had left behind. The main issue here is why you posted in the first place and tried to rubbish the perfectly legitimate actions of a professional aviator.

My point, keep your corrupt Cypriot politics out of this issue!

[Lucky Angel]

My God ..

Yamaha you seem to be very bitter on the political situation in Cyprus.But what do you expect on a small island where everybody knows everyone.I would like to know your story.Did you ever work for Cyprus Airways?
As for the certain Captain, although that yes he went on holiday and screwed everyone up, that is the companys problem. What i mean by that is that the company is obviously under staffed.
As for the entry in the tech log , it is the right of the Captain to do that. Oh and by the way he was found innocent on the accusations against him that lead to his suspension.

[veraviametro]

The specific captain was found innocence because the airline didhnt follow the correct procedures to suspend him.

And yes its his right to write on the tech log,but the person who we are talking about,founds problems always and very often...while others dont,coincidence that repeats its not a coincidence...he just prefairs to stay home and dont go to work.

He was claiming that the extension of the front gear was not satisfactory and the enginneers show him a BA same airplane of the same extension that they had just check that was next to Cyprus Air airplane and told him was within the limits,but he refused to accept that and wrote it on the tech log...

He noticed the problem before he departed from cyprus but he went to uk to leave the airplane there so he could make more impact on the airline...He didhnt care about the safety he cared about his own benefit.

This is an attitude of a man that deserves to be suspended and that day wont be far away.

[ATC Watcher]

This is an attitude of a man that deserves to be suspended and that day wont be far away.

Ah ! , a bit of nostalgia of the good old days of " direct" management ....

Wonderful internet :D