first time to TEB

[pfnotflying]

Hi all,
next week will be my first time on the other side of the pond. We should stop in somewhere in canada to refuel and than we go to TEB.
Any tips about TEB?? Specially ATC and SID/STAR?? It look like that they didn't have any star from North.

[Check 6]

Typically you will be given the TEB5 departure. Study it closely. KTEB is very close to Newark KEWR. The TEB departure procedure keeps you below the KEWK traffic.
Expect departure delays during peak traffic times (most of the day). Consider KHPN (White Plains) or KSWF (Stewart Intl.).
TEB5 page 1 (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0710/00890TETERBORO.PDF)
TEB5 page 2 (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0710/00890TETERBORO_C.PDF)
Your clearance should be available on "clearance delivery" 30 minutes before your filed "takeoff time," (not EOBT here). When you contact clearance delivery you will be given the bad news about delays if there are any.

NY Center and Approach do a great job. The tower folks at KTEB tower can be a little crabby at times, but they are not staffed adequately, so be patient.

Enjoy your visit. :ok:

[Check 6]

Before departing, you have to arrive........!


Oh, I didn't know that. :uhoh: ;)

[727 exec]

Watch out for the ground works in front of Atlantic Aviation and the taxiway that runs in front of Atlantic and the Customs Ramp...lot's of ground equipment (rollers, diggers, people) and quite tight wing clearances...be VERY careful unless you want to join the damaged Falcon 900...:ouch:

On the ILS 06, you may be cleared for the approach whilst at 2000'...watch the mandatory 1500' step descent...

PLEASE - PLAN WELL IN ADVANCE

Enjoy!!

[LRdriver II]

yep, study the VOR circle to land, needs good CRM especially at night with all those damn lights. Also beware the TEB5 departure asmentioned, and fuel plan for starting your descent 300 miles out as you might be cruising the last 30 miles in at 6000ft or so. Noise abatement sensitve place so best read up on your aircraft technique to comply

[fernytickles]

There's also a VFR departure, not printed in all the charts. They have a copy of it at the FBOs we've been to. I think we were in Atlantic. Its been some months since I was last there. Worth having a copy of that departure - we first came across it when it was sprung on us at the holding point.... A bit of frantic scrabbling through the plates produced nothing, so the guy read it out to us, and we were able to depart with out the 1.5 hr delay. Altho' its a VFR only departure, you are still on the IFR flight plan.

If you are staying in TEB and having to drive, I highly recommend you arm yourself with a Nuvi or some other kind of driving GPS. Certainly for us folks more used to the quieter roads of the midwest, driving in NJ and NY is quite a shock to the system.

[supermoix]

Here are my tips, some are redundant to other posts but here they are:

- Plan your fuel for early descents

- If weather puts any ILS as a main approach, is a nonevent, all standard procedures.

- If Weather is good, watch out for the VOR-DME A approach, mandatory descent altitudes are published because heavy jets arriving in la guardia, follow them. tight circle to land to runway 19, day or night back it up with the ILS to save some sweat.

-Airport diagram have hotspots well marked, crossing runways departures and arrivals are standard.

- Best outfitted FBO is Jet Center, but best service is Atlantic Aviation specially if you go trhu customs, the buildings are side by side. Jesse at Atlantic will help you out in anything you need.

- NY APP controllers are a PITA IMHO, bad temper and quite nonstandard phraseology, TEB TWR they do the best they can but are submitted to NY APP and TRACON so be patient.

- Get your ATC early, EDTC's are common in peak hours and delays occur frecuently, be it for weather or traffic.

-TEB 5 departure flies you below approaching airline jets, add this to the noise abatement procedures and one can easily overshoot altitudes, watch out.

- Take the area chart and the low altitude chart too, i've been in situations where they send you to routes or fixes which are structured on the low altitude routes and fumbling with charts in NY is not pleasant.

- Stay at either Courtyard marriott Lyndhurst or Secaucus, the secaucus one have a mall withing walking distance.

-Be brave, rent a car, get a map drive 17S and cross the bridges to manhattan and enjoy!

[H.Finn]

Good points above, but I'd rather stay at the Embassy Suites in Secaucus, and enjoy the one dollar beers!
Also, rather than renting a car, just hop on a bus at the bus stop in front of Embassy Suites and ride to Manhattan for about 3 dollars one way, takes 15 minutes to 1 hour to the Port Authority Bus Terminal next to Madison Square Garden, depending on the traffic.

[FL470]

If you have to stop in Canada don't forget to call them ahead and give them your ETA.
If you are delayed and your ETA in TEB changes significantly get dispatch to call customs and advise them about the delay. Both Canada and TEB get really angry if you don't advise them about delays or arrival.

I higly recommend Atlantic Aviation. But first you have to park your airplane in front of customs - the crappy old building just left of Atlantic. DO NOT open the door unless a custom officer stands next to the airplane. Atlantic will tow you after you have left the airplane.

Get used to many different call signs including every letter of your call sign and the aircraft type. They don't use standard phraseology.

If you spend a couple of days in TEB, why don't take a hotel in Manhattan. The SAS Radisson (Lexington & 47th) has good rates. The limo drive costs about 150$ per leg.

Enjoy!

[StressFree]

Everything written here is great advice. I was in TEB last week, flew direct from Luton, arrived with reasonable fuel (even after being descended 200 miles early) but was then told to hold at Hugenot VOR for a 50 minute landing delay due 'traffic'. Landed about 30 minutes later.............

In my experience the biggest aggro is with the US Customs after you've landed. First you've got to find your way through the roadworks to the Atlantic ramp then present a whole raft of paperwork to an unfriendly, rude and angry agent (watch out for Mr.Panzarino, he's the worst). Whatever you do don't even smile, he accused my colleague of laughing and went into a major rant :=
I thought the British and Americans were best buddies but not here in TEB, we were treated like we were the Taleban :ouch:, give me Newark any day..................

[pfnotflying]

Thanks for the tips. I think that we are going to use signature. I didn't know about the call in case of delay.

thanks

[H.Finn]

Why not Jet Aviation, they have a great facility and good service, with customs/immigration next door?

[727 exec]

Embassy Suites have abandoned the $1.00 drinkies voucher in favour of the $1.50 voucher...gadzooks!!

If anybody is going there around the 28th October, it's the Breeder's Cup being held in New Jersey...hotels etc are getting booked up already.

[pfnotflying]

Hi all,
just come back from TEB. It was as you have described specially the "nice" custom staff.

[Speedbird48]

pfnotflying,

You mention that this is your first trip across the pond!! Believe all that has bee said on this thread previously, especially the customs folks. They are just as stated if not worse. They treat Americans just the same so don't feel that you have been picked on.

A word of advice is to learn the language. As soon as you leave Canada start looking up the ATIS frequencies for airports along your route. Once you have got the translation of the various versions of "English" you "may" be able to understand the New York controllers. I get US crews to do the same thing when they are new to the Atlantic, and going East, for the first few trips.

Be prepared to be downwind number 2 or 3 behind a 172 so keep the speed under control.

Enjoy the colony.

Speedbird48