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ORAC
13th May 2001, 23:01
Doomed

THE REAL STORY OF FLIGHT 4590: SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: A freak 'single cause' accident was blamed when an Air France Concorde crashed in flames in Paris last year, killing 114 people. But a number of errors which could have been avoided may have played a part in the disaster.

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,490020,00.html

David Rose
Sunday May 13, 2001
The Observer

It is an indelible image, heavy with symbolism: the photograph taken on 25 July last year at the moment Concorde became a technological Icarus. The great white bird rears up over runway 26 at Charles de Gaulle, immediately after takeoff. Already mortally wounded, flames bleed uncontrollably from beneath the left-hand wing. Less than two minutes later, the world's only supersonic airliner will fling itself into the Paris suburb of Gonesse, killing all 109 on board and another five on the ground.
In the 10 months since the crash, the official investigation into its causes has focused almost entirely on the fire. According to the French accident investigation bureau, the BEA, it broke out when the plane passed over a strip of metal on the runway. A tyre burst; a chunk of rubber thudded into a fuel tank inside the wing; jet fuel poured out of a hole and ignited.

The hot gases caused two of the engines to falter, and despite a valiant struggle by Captain Christian Marty, a daredevil skier who once crossed the Atlantic on a windsurf board, the loss of thrust made the crash inevitable.

This 'single cause' explanation is why the Civil Aviation Authority grounded British Airways' seven Concordes three weeks after the disaster. Its chairman, Sir Malcolm Field, said: ' It is clear to all of us in the CAA that a tyre burst alone should never cause the loss of a public transport aircraft tyre debris alone is thought to have led to this catastrophic accident.'

An investigation by The Observer suggests the truth is much more complicated - and as far as Air France is concerned, far more worrying. In the words of John Hutchinson, a BA Concorde captain for 15 years, the fire on its own should have been 'eminently survivable; the pilot should have been able to fly his way out of trouble'. The reason why he failed to do so, Hutchinson believes, was a lethal combination of operational error and 'negligence' by the maintenance department of Air France. This appears to have been a crash with more than one contributing factor, most of which were avoidable.

Go back to that photograph. An amazing picture: but where was it taken? The answer is: inside an Air France Boeing 747 which had just landed from Japan, and was waiting to cross Concorde's runway on its way back to the terminal. Its passengers included Jacques Chirac and his wife, the President and first lady of France, returning from the G7 summit.

Concorde looks to be nearby because it had been close to hitting the 747, an event which would have turned both aircraft into a giant fireball. Veering wildly to the left, like a recalcitrant supermarket trolley with a jammed wheel, Concorde's undercarriage had locked askew.

When Marty pulled back on the control column to raise the nose and take to the air - the process pilots call 'rotation' - the plane's airspeed was only 188 knots, 11 knots below the minimum recommended velocity (VR) required for this manoeuvre.

But he had no choice: the plane was about to leave the tarmac altogether and plough into the soft and bumpy grass at its side. That might have ripped off the landing gear, leaving Concorde to overturn and blow up on its own. If not, the 747 lay straight ahead. So he took to the air, although he knew he was travelling too slowly, which would impair the damaged plane's chances of survival.

The BEA's interim report, published last January, notes that according to the cockpit voice record, the instant before Marty rotated, Jean Marcot, his co-pilot, screamed: 'Watch out!' The report states: 'At this stage it is not possible to explain this exclamation.' Marcot was at the front of a Concorde thundering off a runway at 200mph towards a 747 carrying his head of state: his exclamation seems reasonably explicable.

But why was the plane in this disastrous position? Shocking evidence now emerging suggests that the underlying reason may have been that Air France Concorde F-BTSC had not been properly maintained. The airline's ground staff had failed to replace a 'spacer', a vital component of the landing gear which keeps the wheels in proper alignment, when they serviced and reassembled the plane's undercarriage four days before the disaster. Although the BEA disputes it, there is compelling evidence that it was the missing spacer which may have caused the plane to skew to the left, so forcing Marty to leave the ground too early.

At the same time, the plane was operating outside its legally certified limits. When it stood at the end of the runway, ready to roll, it was more than six tonnes over its approved maximum takeoff weight for the given conditions, with its centre of gravity pushed dangerously far to the rear. According to Hutchinson, even before the blowout, Marty was already 'pushing the envelope' of safe flying explored by the test pilots when the plane was being developed in the early 1970s.

Had the plane not hit the metal strip, Marty would almost certainly have got away with it. Faced with an emergency, with his plane in the air flying below a sustainable speed, his options were severely compromised. According to Hutchinson, Marty found himself trying to save a one-time thoroughbred which was 'responding like a flying pancake, like a sack of potatoes'.

The Observer's investigation suggests Concorde need not have been grounded at all. Now undergoing a £30 million refit to equip the fuel tanks with new kevlar linings, it was already basically safe. As for Air France, the sense of sorrow over what took place remains palpable: the crash was their worst nightmare. Their lawyers are close to reaching a settlement with the families of the 109 German victims, luxury package tourists from Münchengladbach about to start the holiday of a lifetime. Each family has been offered about £1m - the largest settlement in German legal history.

Disclosure that this may not have been a 'single cause' catastrophe may place this in jeopardy. Because the plane was bound for New York, the relatives would be entitled to sue in America. If the courts there found Air France culpable, the damages they might award could make £1m seem trivial.

Most of the raw data about the crash can be found on the internet, in the two reports already published by the BEA. Its final report is due in a few weeks' time. Meanwhile, a separate inquiry is being conducted by an investigating judge. The missing undercarriage spacer, and the effects this had on Flight 4590, are now emerging as the judicial investigation's central issues. If the French courts decide there is sufficient evidence, they have the power to charge Air France with 'homicide involuntaire' - what British law would term corporate manslaughter.

The stresses on Concorde's landing gear are unusually severe. Unlike ordinary aircraft, its delta wings generate hardly any 'lift' until the captain pulls up the nose and pitches the plane upwards at an angle of 18 degrees at the point of rotation. Until then, the wheels and bogeys will bear all of Concorde's weight - in the case of a fully-laden plane at takeoff, about 185 tonnes.

The procedures both Air France and British Airways impose on their ground crews reflect the obvious danger of getting anything wrong. At regular intervals of a few hundred flying hours, the various load-bearing components become 'lifed', and must be replaced. When the undercarriage bogeys are taken apart and reassembled, the work must be done according to a rigid formula, and rigorously inspected and assessed.

Concorde F-BTSC went into the hangar at Charles de Gaulle on 18 July, a week before the crash. The part which was 'lifed' was the left undercarriage 'beam' - the horizontal tube through which the two wheel axles pass at each end. In the middle is a low-friction pivot which connects the beam to the vertical 'leg' extending down from inside the wing. The bits of the pivot which bear the load are two steel 'shear bushes'.

To keep them in position, they are separated by the spacer: a piece of grey, anodised aluminium about five inches in diameter and twelve inches long. When the plane left the hangar on 21 July, the spacer was missing. After the crash, it was found in the Air France workshop, still attached to the old beam which had been replaced.

In the days before the accident, the aircraft flew to New York and back twice. At first, the load-bearing shear bushes remained in the right positions. But each time the plane took off, the landing gear was retracted into the wing. On the ground, the two shear bushes are positioned horizontally, on either side of the beam. With the gear retracted, the right-hand bush lies vertically above the left.

On F-BTSC, it began to slip, down into the gap where there should have been a spacer. By the day of the crash, it had moved about seven inches, until the two washers were almost touching. Instead of being held firmly in a snug-fitting pivot, the beam and the wheels were wobbling, with about three degrees of movement possible in any direction. As the plane taxied to the start of the runway, there was nothing to keep the front wheels of the undercarriage in line with the back. The supermarket trolley was ready to jam. Exactly when it started to do so is uncertain. Jean-Marie Chauve, who flew Concordes with Air France until his retirement six years ago, and Michel Suaud, for many years a Concorde flight engineer, believe the undercarriage was already out of alignment when the plane began to move down the runway.

They have spent the past six months preparing a 60-page report on the crash, which they have submitted to the investigating judge. Chauve said: 'The acceleration was abnormally slow from the start. There was something retarding the aircraft, holding it back.' In his view, it must have been friction from the undercarriage. Chauve and Suaud's report contains detailed calculations which conclude that without this retardation, the plane would have taken off 1,694 metres from the start of the runway - before reaching the fateful metal strip.

The BEA contests these findings, saying that the acceleration was normal until the tyre burst. It also maintains that even after the blowout, the missing spacer was insignificant.

The BEA's critics say that once the tyre burst, the load on the three remaining tyres became uneven, and even if the wheels had been more or less straight before, they now twisted disastrously to the side. The 'smoking gun' is a remarkable series of photographs in the BEA's own preliminary report. They show unmistakably the skid marks of four tyres, heading off the runway on to its concrete shoulder, almost reaching the rough grass beyond.

In one picture, the foreground depicts a smashed yellow steel landing light on the very edge of the made-up surface, which was clipped by the aircraft as Marty tried to wrest it into the air. Industry sources have confirmed that this probably had further, damaging results. Until then the number one engine had been functioning almost normally but when the plane hit the landing light it ingested hard material which caused it to surge and fail. This hard material, the sources say, was probably parts of the broken light.

And as one industry insider put it: 'You would not see four marks if the wheels had been straight, with the back wheels behind the front. And you should not see such marks at all after a normal takeoff. This plane was skidding sideways. It was out of control.'

John Hutchinson said: 'The blowout alone would not cause these marks. You'd get intermittent blobs from flapping rubber, but these are very clearly skids.' Overall, the effect on the plane was like trying to take off in an exceptional crosswind - a situation Concorde pilots are trained to avoid at all costs. The captain tried to overcome the leftward drift by turning the rudder to the right. It made negligible difference.

In its interim report, and in a statement issued last month after Captain Chauve submitted his dossier to the judge, the BEA said that the leftwards 'yaw' was caused not by the faulty landing gear but by 'the loss of thrust from engines one and two'.

There are several problems with this analysis. First, as the BEA's own published data reveals, the thrust from engine one was almost normal until the end of the skid, when it took in the parts of the landing light. It is simply not true that the yaw began when both engines failed.

Second, those who fly the plane say that a loss of engine power will not cause an uncontrollable yaw. Concorde's engines, unlike, say, a 747, are not mounted out near the wingtips but close to the tail and fuselage. The Observer has spoken to five former and serving Concorde captains and flying officers. All have repeatedly experienced the loss of an engine shortly before takeoff in the computerised Concorde training simulator; one of them, twice, has done so for real. All agree, in John Hutchinson's words, that 'it's no big deal at all. You're not using anything like the full amount of rudder to keep the plane straight; the yaw is totally containable'.

Finally, there are the skid marks. Yesterday, the BEA claimed the plane had not skidded at all. Its chief spokeswoman, Helen Bastianelli, confirmed that the wheels were 'not in a symmetric trajectory' - in other words out of alignment - when the Concorde took off, the first time the BEA has made this crucial disclosure. But despite the photographic evidence, she still insisted the yaw was caused by engine failure - on the grounds that photos or no photos, there was no sign of skid marks.

Later I was telephoned by Philip Swan, an Englishman who works for the BEA in Le Bourget - the airstrip near Gonesse where Marty was hoping to try to land. He accepted that the pictures did show the marks of four tyres, and that they were clearly out of alignment. But he concluded: 'The photograph does depict that the tyres of the aircraft made sideways marks under stress. But I prefer not to use the term skid.' Think of your car, resisting your attempts to drive it straight, lurching off to the left. The BEA would say those black smears it leaves behind on the road are not evidence of a skid, merely the marks of the wheels moving sideways under stress.

The fact that Marty had to rotate his plane 11 knots below its stipulated rotation velocity was always going to make it difficult to save. In the event, he never got close to 'V2,' the 220-knot airspeed which would have represented stable flight. For a few seconds in the agonising minute between takeoff and catastrophe he got up to about 210 knots, only for the number one engine - which had begun to recover - to fail for a second time.

But despite everything already against him - the skewed bogey; the fire - other avoidable factors were further loading the dice, making it still more difficult to rescue the plane. When Marty paused at the start of the runway, his instruments told him that his Concorde had 1.2 tonnes of extra fuel which should have been burnt during the taxi.

In addition, it contained 19 bags of luggage which were not included on the manifest, and had been loaded at the last minute, weighing a further 500 kg. These took the total mass to about 186 tonnes - a tonne above the aircraft's certified 'maximum structural weight' - the weight its physical components were designed and tested to carry in safety.

Meanwhile, in the interval between Concorde's leaving the terminal and reaching the start of the runway, something very important had changed: the wind. It had been still. Now, as the control tower told Marty, he had an eight knot tailwind. The first thing pilots learn is that one takes off against the wind. Yet as the voice record makes clear, Marty and his crew seemed not to react to this information at all.

Had they paused for a moment, they might have recomputed the data on which they had planned their takeoff. If they had, they would have learnt a very worrying fact. Flying a tonne over maximum structural weight was theoretically unlawful, but was not an outrageous risk.

However, more important than this measure is what pilots call the RTOW, the regulated takeoff weight: a limit set according to detailed tables for a given plane in the conditions obtaining at a particular time and place. As Marty released the brake on 25 July last year with the eight-knot wind behind him, the tailwind meant that Concorde's RTOW was just 180 tonnes - at least six tonnes less than the weight of Flight 4590.

John Hutchinson said: 'The change in the wind was an incredible revelation, and no one says anything. Marty should have done the sums and told the tower, "Hang on, we've got to redo our calculations".' Once he realised how far he was above the RTOW, he should have insisted on taxiing back to the other end of the runway - as most Concorde pilots have done several times - and taken off against the wind. 'If I'm honest, I've probably taken off 30, 40 kg overweight - after all, you can never be sure because you don't weigh the passengers or the hand baggage. But not six tonnes! They were already at the limits of the envelope. Once the wind changed, they were beyond it.'

The extra weight had a further consequence beyond simply making it harder to get into the air. It shifted the centre of gravity backwards: the extra bags almost certainly went into the rear hold, and all the extra fuel was in the rearmost tank, number 11. A plane's centre of gravity is expressed as a percentage: so many per cent 'fore' or 'aft'.

Brian Trubshaw and John Cochrane, Concorde's two test pilots when the aircraft was being developed in the early 1970s, set the aft operating limit at 54 per cent - beyond that, they found, it risked becoming uncontrollable, likely to rear up backwards and crash, exactly as Flight 4590 did in its final moments over Gonesse.

The doomed plane's centre of gravity went beyond 54 per cent. The BEA states a figure of 54.2 per cent. A senior industry source, who cannot be named for contractual reasons, says the true figure may have been worse: with the extra fuel and bags, it may have been up to 54.6 per cent.

He said: 'This is very significant. Even in a takeoff with all four engines working normally, you are well beyond the point where the test pilots would have been prepared to tread.' And as the fuel gushed from the hole in the forward number five tank, the centre of gravity moved still further back. Once again, Air France and Marty had closed off their options.

Marty's crew was to do so one final time. When the plane was just 25 feet off the ground, Gilles Jardinaud, the flight engineer, shut down the ailing number two engine. Both French and British pilots say it was another disastrous mistake, which breached all set procedures. The engine itself was not on fire, and as the tank emptied and the fire burnt itself out, it would probably have recovered. The fixed drill for shutting down an engine requires the crew to wait until the flight is stable at 400 feet, and to do so then only on a set of commands from the captain.

In a comment which might be applied to the whole unfolding tragedy, John Hutchinson said: 'Discipline had broken down. The captain doesn't know what's happening; the co-pilot doesn't know; it's a shambles. Once you deviate from rules and procedures, it's chaos.'

British Airways says its transatlantic service will resume in the autumn, once the modifications have been tested. It plans to relaunch it with a plane full of celebrities, who have already been treated to lavish presentations in London and New York, and invited to marvel at new seats and lavatories designed by Terence Conran.

Last week, I put the results of The Observer's investigation to Air France: a spokesman said the airline wished to make no comment on any aspect of the crash.

But there will not be another supersonic airliner in most of our lifetimes. The paramount icon of what Harold Wilson once called 'the white heat of the technological revolution,' Concorde has no competitors. The headline The Observer used in reporting the crash last summer was 'Death of a Dream'.

That dream was shared by the Germans from Münchengladbach who chattered and sang in the Charles de Gaulle VIP departure lounge, happy to ignore a 45-minute delay; it continues to inspire the correspondents to the many Concorde internet chat rooms and bulletin boards.

Previous reports of the tragedy which left it tarnished, perhaps beyond salvage, have described the crash as an 'act of God', a freak occurrence which exposed a fatal structural weakness in the aircraft which could have appeared at any time.

Following the lead from the BEA, the international media have looked at previous tyre blowouts, suggesting that any one of them could have set in motion an ineluctable chain reaction; they have taken as a given the proposition that once the fire began, and hot gases interfered with the running of the left-hand engines, then the disaster that followed on 25 July last year was inevitable.

The investigation by The Observer suggests the truth may not only be more complicated, but also sadder, more sordid. Men, not God, caused Concorde to crash, and their omissions and errors may have turned an escapable mishap to catastrophe.

'The accident appalled me beyond belief,' John Hutchinson said. 'The images of the plane and the crash will live in my mind forever. But it now seems that a single failing may not have caused the accident.

'In simple terms, if all the procedures and drills had been followed, if there had not been shortcuts and blind eyes, the crash might not have happened.'



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fireflybob
14th May 2001, 01:58
Very, very interesting indeed.

Sounds like a classic "error chain".

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gordonroxburgh
14th May 2001, 03:07
The Question that has to be asked is that with all these tests that Air France have been doing at Istres why did they not simulate a missing spacer, either to Prove the theory wrong and thus clear AF of blame, or to let us see that this was one of the primary causes and some of the on-going work will not be required.

The crew taking off overweight seems to be a big factor too. Did they want just to get on thier way, after all they had been delayed a while already duirng the time they spent repairing the thurst reverser bucket motor. Very simlar to the circumstances in 1970's the when the two 747 came together on the runway.

I hope the real facts can come out in the BEA report and we don't get a big cover up going on whree we hve rumors for the next 50 years. The CAA and NTSB should get really involved, stating that they want to know what really happened before Concorde can fly in their airspace again.

Gordon

stickyb
14th May 2001, 06:48
If true, then the compensation deal may have been struck just in time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1328000/1328671.stm

Capt H Peacock
14th May 2001, 13:28
The BEA seem to be very adamant in squashing this theory. They issued the following communiqué on 10 April:

L’absence d’entretoise n’a pas contribué à l’accident du Concorde le 25 juillet 2000

Le rapport d’étape publié par le BEA le 3 janvier 2001 indique (§12.3.5) que l’entretoise située sur l’axe de liaison fût/bogie du train principal gauche du Concorde accidenté n’avait pas été remontée à l’issue d’une action de maintenance. Les travaux menés dans le cadre de l’enquête technique permettent aujourd’hui de conclure que l’absence de cette pièce n’a pas contribué à l’accident.



Compte tenu de cette anomalie, les enquêteurs techniques se sont demandé si le train gauche pouvait se trouver désaxé, ce qui aurait pu être à l’origine d’une trajectoire dissymétrique, d’un échauffement des roues et d’une accélération inférieure à la normale.



L’étude des traces sur la piste et l’examen de l’état des pneumatiques, ainsi que les calculs de trajectoire et d’accélération effectués à partir des données des enregistreurs de vol, montrent que ce scénario est totalement exclu :



· Après le roulage pour rejoindre la piste, quand l’équipage effectue la check list « avant décollage » et conformément à celle-ci, il annonce la température des freins. Cette température est de 150° (la température doit dépasser 220° pour qu’il y ait alarme). De plus, elle est la même pour les bogies droit et gauche. La température des freins n’avait donc rien d’anormal.



· Pendant le roulement au décollage, l’avion aurait eu tendance à dévier sur la gauche si le train gauche avait créé une tra'née parasite du fait d’un désaxement du bogie. Or sa trajectoire est rectiligne avant les pertes de poussée des moteurs 1 et 2 et on n’observe aucune action à droite sur la gouverne de direction. Au contraire, quelques légères actions à gauche sont même visibles avant V1 (150 kt).



· L’accélération enregistrée par l’enregistreur de paramètres est de 0,268 g, ce qui est la valeur normale pour le Concorde lorsqu’il est à sa masse maximale. De plus, l’enquête a montré que, 34 s après le top décollage, l’avion avait parcouru 1 200 mètres et atteint une vitesse de 151 kt. Or, à la masse de 185 tonnes et dans les conditions du jour, le Concorde parcourt 1 150 mètres et atteint la vitesse de 150 kt en 33 secondes, comme indiqué dans le rapport préliminaire (§ 6.6). Les performances de l’avion ont donc été conformes aux valeurs théoriques jusqu’à la détérioration du pneu n° 2 par la lamelle métallique.



· Jusqu’à ce que l’avion roule sur la lamelle métallique, aucune remarque ni réaction de l’équipage ne fait état d’un comportement anormal de l’avion. L’équipage n’aurait pas entrepris ou poursuivi le décollage s’il avait eu le moindre doute sur l’état de l’avion avant l’alignement ou avant V1.



· L’examen des bandes de roulement des pneumatiques des roues 5 et 6 (roues arrières du bogie gauche) ne montre pas de traces anormales d’usure. En particulier, aucune composante latérale, conséquence normale d’un ripage, n’a été relevée. Par ailleurs, les premières traces de pneumatique relevées sur la piste après l’accident sont celles du pneumatique de la roue n°2 après sa détérioration par la lamelle métallique.

Now who's right? I think I know who I believe. If the missing spacer theory is right (I've seen what this thing looks like and we're not talking a little washer here) then someone will go down for "homicide involuntaire" without a doubt.

Evo7
14th May 2001, 13:30
Capt. Peacock

Your French is obviously better than mine (it could hardly be worse). Is there a translation anywhere?

CharliePaps
14th May 2001, 13:40
A full PDF version of the complete report in English is available.

http://www.bea-fr.org/docs/f-sc000725ae/pdf/f-sc000725ae.pdf

You can also see the HTML version at:

http://www.bea-fr.org/anglaise/concorde-en.html

Reagards

CharliePaps

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Blacksheep
14th May 2001, 16:37
I'm a bit puzzled. The account suggests that a misaligned left truck dragged the aircraft over to the left side of the runway until the gear hit a runway light and flung FOD down the No. 1 engine. Two things about that don't add up.

1. The left truck is aft off the left intakes.

2. If the aircraft had a blown out tyre on the left gear, (and for sure, SOMETHING took out that fuel tank) where did the fourth tyre mark come from?

Were the photographed tyre marks from the Concorde or some other incident?

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scoops
14th May 2001, 17:57
When I wrote the article I should have made this point about the tyre marks clearer. There are three obvious and continuous linear skidmarks and a fourth which has only intermittent blobs. This is in the correct position of tyre 2, the one which blew. If the bogey had not been skidding the continuous lines should not have been there. There is no doubt these marks came from Concorde. They are clearly labelled as such in the BEA preliminary report.

- David Rose, The Observer

Dr Dave
14th May 2001, 18:45
I'm certainly no expert in this, but I seems to me that the picture on P.30 of the pdf report is quite revealing. It seems to show a large trace of unburnt fuel just left of the centreline of the runway, then a long scorch mark that starts just left of the centreline and runs more-or less parallel with the centreline for several tens of metres (or more?). It then reduces in size and drifts leftwards towards the runways edge. It eventually peters out off the runway.

My interpretation is that the aircraft was running straight at the time of the tyre burst and immediately afterwards. The straight track initially after ignition suggests that the aircraft was still running straight, approx. parallel with the centreline.

The track drifts left when the trail reduces in size, presumably because the aircraft was airborne, taking the flames away from the ground.

This seems consistent with the view of the investigators, and contrary to the Observer article? The aircraft was running essentially straight after the tyre burst and even after igntion. It rotated and started to climb, when loss of power on the left together with airflow interference into the engines caused a left yaw.

Is this interpretation reasonable or completely off the mark?

gordonroxburgh
14th May 2001, 19:21
PICTURES

Rather than having to download the whole report (>10MB) this link at concordesst.com will just show you the relevent chapter with the pictures we have been discussing.

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/englishreport/12.html.


Gordon

pulse1
14th May 2001, 20:36
The Rose article refers to rudder being used to overcome yaw caused by the misaligned wheels. The FDR shows 0.6 right rudder at 100kts increasing to 1.8 at 151kts when all engines were producing full power (control wheel constant 2.7 right). Rudder increases to 6.4 at 188 kts at rotate when leftside engine power reducing, and 16.4 at 201kts.

I just thought I would save someone looking it up so that I could ask if that amount of rudder before the loss of power was significant on this aircraft under the prevailing conditions.

rubberjungle
14th May 2001, 20:54
Scoops A very interesting article which sent a chill down my spine as I read it.
Lets hope the French publish an open and honest final report and that it doesn't turn into a long drawn out sham A la the Caroline Dickinson murder investigation.
To not re compute take off data with a significant tail wind on an aircraft with a high take off speed must have implications for the groundspeed at Vr(IAS) being close to the tyre speed limit.Probably not a causal factor here as they rotated early anyway. Do the recordings have the tower clearly giving the wind with the take off clearance?

stagger
14th May 2001, 21:03
The photo Dr Dave writes about isn't present on the site that gordonroxburgh provides a link to. So here's a direct link to it...

http://www.bea-fr.org/docs/f-sc000725ae/htm/images/rwyafteraccident.jpg



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gordonroxburgh
14th May 2001, 23:04
Just to Clarify:

My link to the Pictures relates to the ones discussed in the Observer article about the tyre "skid" marks and not the off set soot trail in Dr Dave's Post.

Gordon.

Blacksheep
15th May 2001, 05:37
OK. Seen the skid marks and they are indeed peculiar. If the truck was serviceable and aligned straight the wheels wouldn't leave rubber. So we know the left gear was dragging. The nose wheels also left marks (steering?) Although I still don't see how bits of runway light could be thrown into No. 2 engine intake.

Apart from that, the Observer account seems very plausible. I don't know how the accident investigators can pass over the drag marks from the left gear. These are obviously important factors in the accident sequence. There is no justification for omitting inconvient pieces of evidence - When evidence doesn't fit the story its generally because the story is wrong.

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Saab Dastard
19th May 2001, 01:57
Dr. Dave,

Not an unreasonable hypothesis when you look at that one picture in isolation. However, when you see some of the other photographs, it is clear that the aircraft (or at least the left main bogie) was still on the ground at the point where the trail veers off the runway.

There is a photo of the broken runway edge light at the intersection of the taxiway that shows the wheel marks to the left of the runway.

SD

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mriya225
19th May 2001, 02:44
Hmmmm......
Sorry gang; I cant help but be skeptical of the possibility that there may be a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking going on with this report.

I want to know why it is that well qualified accident investigators either overlooked or dismissed marks that could very easily have been made by the left main dragging (assuming a functional truck and correct alignment)?? And where in the heck did this curious ingestion of a runway light come from?? Why wasn't any of this mentioned earlier on by the investigators?

These guys managed to get a beat on a strip of metal that was part of an unauthorized repair to a DC-10 half way across the planet... but they didn't notice or think anything of these other very compelling factors.....

My intuition is screaming "...grain o' salt".

capt waffoo
19th May 2001, 16:16
"..why it is that well qualified accident investigators either overlooked or dismissed.."

Er, perhaps because they are French???

I. M. Esperto
19th May 2001, 17:50
Photo's aside, how about the part where the F/E took it upon himself to shut down #2, at a height lower than specified in the Ops. Profile?

Is this part of this "crew management" thing in action?

gaunty
19th May 2001, 18:54
The Observer article had the ring of truth to me.
The soot trail is pretty hard to ignore.

Are there SMC radar recordings or other evidence of the position of the AF B744 during the takeoff?

'homicide involuntaire' mais non, cordon sanitaire presumable.

Flap 5
19th May 2001, 19:36
This report left me feeling cold. It is truly frightening. There are two points that spring to mind:

1. The accident report appears to be ignoring certain factors in the accident. In our increasingly litigious society this appears to happen more and more.

2. For once there is an excellent article written by a journalist in a newspaper, which is to be commended. It may not be completely correct (although it appears to be very close) but it is very well researched article which is written by someone who knows what they are talking about.

I. M. Esperto
19th May 2001, 21:22
It appears to me to be a series of human errors rather than just one catastrophic failure.

Why did the F/E shut down #2 without the captains order to do so? The article seems accurate, and this fact stands out.

Has this "Forget about the Captain" attitude permeated todays cockpits to the point that a F/E feels he can initiate such actions?

I know that when I was flying, had a F/E done this in my cockpit, he would never fly again, if I had anything to say about it.

Capt H Peacock
19th May 2001, 21:52
I posted a bulletin from the BEA the other day in French, to pleas of 'Que?' from some of you. So here, with a very heavy health warning, it is in English: je pense


The absence of a spacer did not contribute to the Concorde accident on 25th July 2000

The interim report published by the (French AAIB) on the 3rd January 2001 stated that the stay situated on the junction of the undercarriage leg/truck on the left main gear of the stricken Concorde had not been refitted at the completion of a maintenance procedure. The extensive investigation within the framework of the enquiry can today conclude that this component did not contribute to the accident.

Taking this anomaly into account, the technical investigators asked themselves if the left gear could have become unbalanced, and perhaps was the origin of the divergent trajectory, an overheating of the wheels and an abnormally slow acceleration.

A study of the marks on the runway and an examination of the state of the tyres, as well as the trajectory calculated by the acceleration recorder by the FDR, shows that this scenario can be totally excluded.

- After the taxy into the runway and line up, when the crew initiated the ‘before take-off’ checklist and as part of it called the brake temperatures which were 150º (the temperature must exceed 220º for it to cause concern) . Furthermore it was the same on the right gear as on the left. The brake temperature was completely normal.
- During the take-off roll, the aircraft would have had a tendency to pull left if the left gear had created a spurious drag as the result of an unbalanced truck. Now the trajectory is straight up to the loss of No1 and No2 and no right input to the steering is seen. Indeed, only a few slight inputs to the left are visible up to V1 (150kt).
- The acceleration recorder by the FDR is 0.268g, which is the normal value for Concorde when it is at maximum all up weight. Furthermore, the investigation shows that, 34 sec after the beginning of take-off, the aircraft had passed 1200m and had attained a speed of 151kt. Now at a weight of 185t and in the conditions on the day, Concorde takes 1150m and achieves 150kt in 33 sec, as indicated in the preliminary report. The performance of the aeroplane had conformed to the theoretical values up to the destruction of tyre no 2 by the metal strip.
- Right up to the aircraft rolling over the metal strip, no remarks or reactions of the flight crew concerning any abnormal component of the aeroplane. The crew would not have undertaken, or continued with the take-off if they had the smallest doubt about the condition of the aircraft before line-up or before V1.
- The examination of the treads of tyres 5 and 6 (the rear wheels on the left truck) show no trace of abnormal wear. In particular, no lateral component, the normal consequence of scrape was shown. On the other hand, the first tyre traces on the runway after the accident are those of no2 tyre after its destruction by the metal strip.


Says very little to exclude a developing and uncontrollable veer to the left as a result of the partially reconstructed left gear if you ask me!

stagger
20th May 2001, 00:20
Wasn't it suggested in the article that the absence of the spacer only became a factor after the tyre was damaged by the metal strip? Surely, the fact that the takeoff roll was essentially normal until the blow-out doesn't preclude the possibility that the absence of the spacer could have affected controllability after the event.



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mriya225
20th May 2001, 01:16
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capt waffoo
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"..why it is that well qualified accident investigators either overlooked or dismissed.."
Er, perhaps because they are French???
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Excuse me?! I thought we were having a semi-professional discussion about this report; I didn't realize we were just slinging sh!t and defaming people without any sense of responsibility to cite tangible supporting evidence.
You want to go dragging the investigators through the mud here? You think maybe they're involved in some cover-up of involuntary manslaughter?....

SHOW ME THE CONNECTION DAMN IT.

Don't just throw around those kinds of allegations around, based on hypothetical b.s.--there'll be enough of that crap to go around by non-aviation folks at their cocktail parties.

One of the main problems with a report like this is that there is no reaction from investigators. I don't give a damn what the people at Air France, BAe, Continental, CDG, or industry "experts" have to say about it.... I want each of these points addressed by the investigative team themselves--because they are the ONLY people who siftted through this evidence FIRSTHAND! That would have been the most responsible way to publish the report. All we've got here is an interesting report that pokes holes in an investigation; but it makes NO attempt to clarify why it is that these, seemingly, compelling peices of evidence were either not addressed or deemed irrelevant. That's pretty crucial, when at best--the working knowledge that everyone other than the investigative team has is secondhand--at best!

wobblypilot
4th Jun 2001, 13:56
I know the rest of you have all seen it before, but I saw the 'Discovery' programme about Koncordski for the first time last night.

The programme suggests quite plausibly that the French accident investigators colluded with the Ruskies to cover up the real reasons for the crash of the TU144 at the Paris Air Show in 1973.

I'm afraid it didn't fill me with confidence that they will be interested in learning (and disseminating) any real lessons from the Concorde tradegy.

Golden Monkey
4th Jun 2001, 16:32
Sorry for digressing, but in response to the mail regarding the TU-144 crash, was that the allegations that the incident went thus :

o TU-144 Climbs away from runway, into low cloud. One of the pilots sees a French Air Force fighter, which had no clearence to be there, presumably sent as a "tail".

o TU-144 Captain pushes the nose down hard in order to avoid a collision, with the negative-G maneouver disrupting airflow over the intakes, and causing flameouts in (possibly) all four engines.

o TU-144 then assumes steep nose down attitude to maintain airspeed and attempt to relight the engines. However with hardly any altitude to work with subsequently suffers catastrophic airframe failure pulling severe G in the attempted recovery.

. . . from memory. I'm not exactly sure what the Russians stood to gain in covering up this incident, it's pretty apparent on the French side.

At least in the long run what was (at the time) considered to be a flaw in the TU-144 did not seem to harm public confidence in SSTs. I'm sure Concorde will weather this incident with equal aplomb when services resume.

Although I'm sure Boeing were wishing the fuel tank issue was terminal when they announced their "Sonic Cruiser". What seemed for a while to be the favourite for "fastest passenger carrier in the air" is set to trail a far distant second once again.

tilii
4th Jun 2001, 22:45
I'm inclined to go with Mriya225 on this one. While an interesting hypothesis, I do not believe that the missing spacer contributed to this accident in any significant way. The analysis of the speeds, times and distances along the runway tend to suggest that performance was not in any way inhibited until the aircraft hit the metal component.

What is of interest is the allegation that this crew disregarded an eight knot tailwind. Perhaps this needs looking into, but I find it hard to accept that professional investigators have dismissed such a fundamentally important issue, especially when it seems the suggestion is that there is some powerful political influence at work to make them do so.

I guess time will tell. But in the meantime I must say I find the article somewhat offensive, especially where it implies that the skipper was a natural born risk taker. I still have nothing but the greatest respect for that crew and nothing but utter sympathy for their impossible task in trying to make the unflyable fly.

I also happen to think that the early rotation may well have been a selfless act of stark heroism.

BEagle
4th Jun 2001, 23:15
To consider that Boeing wished the Concorde fuel tank rupture a cause for the aircraft to be grounded terminally is an extremely unpleasant allegation.

Whilst other aerospace companies might stoop to such depths, there would be absolutely no reason for Boeing to do so. The Sonicruiser v. Megabus debate will centralise on whether people wish a short, convenient flight or whether they wish to be packed into a flying ocean liner with a few gimmicks designed to distract them from the terminal boredom of long range Airboos travel.

Dr Jekyll
4th Jun 2001, 23:17
The real issue here is how performance was affected AFTER the aircraft sustained a puncture.

If the swerve to the left was purely caused by asymmetric thrust and nothing to do with the wheels being out of alignment then the spacer is irrelevant.

If on the other hand it was partly (mainly?) due to the wheels being out of alignment, that would suggest that the missing spacer contributed significantly, or even caused, the early rotation.
Since the immediate cause of the crash was loss of control at dangerously low airspeed this would in turn imply that the missing spacer was an important factor in the accident.

Jolly Tall
5th Jun 2001, 00:28
Golden Monkey,

Also from memory, but I seem to recall the theory as suggesting the incentive for Russian acquiescence in the 'cover-up' was that the Concorde design would have survived such a manouveur (never could spell that word). I've no inside knowledge about whether or not this was indeed the case.

TwoTun
5th Jun 2001, 01:54
I have also read the report, and consider it to be factual.

With one engine out, the aircraft is perfectly controllable down the runway, so I do not think that this could be the cause for the aircraft veering off to the left to the extent where it took out runway edge lighting.

The photographs of the tarmac clearly show that after the tyre deflated, the gear was oscillating either side of centre, which was, in my opinion, caused by the missing spacer and the (now) unbalanced bogie. I really cannot think of any other explanation as to why an aircraft with one engine out should be in danger of leaving the runway.

*IF* the full story ever gets out, and that's a big *IF*, I suggest that the missing spacer will be shown to have played a major role, if not THE major role in the tragic accident.

IMHO, of course.

tilii
5th Jun 2001, 03:05
Two Tun

With regard to your assertion as to controllability with one engine out, have you considered the tailwind factor and the resulting potential for delay in effective rudder authority.

Further, the photographs I have seen show no evidence of the gear "oscillating either side of centre" or of an unbalanced bogie.

And there are certainly other factors to consider such as premature rotation in a delta winged design.

Again I think it likely that the experts have considered all these factors and more. I for one will accept their finding.

TwoTun
5th Jun 2001, 13:55
tilii, you said:
&lt;&lt;With regard to your assertion as to controllability with one engine out, have you considered the tailwind factor and the resulting potential for delay in effective rudder authority.&gt;&gt;

Yes, I have. On a 4 engined aircraft, the loss of one engine will not result in the loss of directional control.

&lt;&lt;Further, the photographs I have seen show no evidence of the gear "oscillating either side of centre" or of an unbalanced bogie.&gt;&gt;

I, however, have seen such photographs. Whilst the marks from the right hand gear are consistent with what you'd expect, the marks from the left hand gear show clear signs of an oscillation, possibly as much as 3 degrees either side of centre. Moreover, the marks on the runway would indicate that the oscillations are fairly rapid.

This would put sideways loads onto the remaining tyres as the tyres scrubbed the runway. This would cause a great deal of drag on the left hand side.

&lt;&lt;And there are certainly other factors to consider such as premature rotation in a delta winged design.&gt;&gt;

Premature rotation is not too good an idea, no matter what shape the wing is.

&lt;&lt;Again I think it likely that the experts have considered all these factors and more. I for one will accept their finding.&gt;&gt;

I, however, having spent 30 years in the industry, have a healthy amount of scepticism. I suspect that the final report will attempt to mitigate any responsibility on the part of Air France, and it will play down the roll that the missing spacer had in the (tragic) accident.

tilii
5th Jun 2001, 15:18
Oh well, Two Tun, I guess you're entitled to your scepticism and your suspicion.

Come to think of it, in my 34 years in the industry I have accumulated a little of that as well. Probably healthy. However, I wonder why you make your last statement. What drives you to believe that there will be a cover-up?

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TwoTun
5th Jun 2001, 18:02
tilii, you said:
&lt;&lt;However, I wonder why you make your last statement. What drives you to believe that there will be a cover-up?&gt;&gt;

Where does one start? Past history, for example the TU144 crash all those years ago? That's good for a starter.

I suspect that it *may* not be in the French national interest for the final report to reach the same conclusions that our gentleman writer from the Observer came to, which is also the same conclusion that me and most of my colleagues have also arrived at.

I'm not suggesting that the French will be duplicitous in all this, you understand. But they may be slightly economical with the facts and end up with a much more agreeable conclusion for the French government and Air France.

Just my humble opinion, you understand.

Jackonicko
6th Jun 2001, 01:09
Scoop!

Top article, matey!

But looking at the soot on the runway photo I'm confused. The aircraft appears to be on the centreline where the fuel stain begins (unburned) then veers away from the centreline with the wing on fire and the engines presumably losing power.

Can you explain how the soot trail ties in with the 'skid-marks'?