DRC Presidential Aircraft Attached at FALA

[RSQ]

Happened to be down on the maintenance apron today and saw the Sheriff attaching the B707 9Q-CLK in terms of an outstanding warrant to attach the assets of the DRC in a longstanding fight between a South African businessman and the government of the DRC. Remember the Falcon 50 that stood at Lanseria for so many years?
Seems the aircraft is at Lanseria for an interior makeover. The attorney of the plaintiff had been keeping a watch for any assets of the government, having missed a B727 at Cape Town recently.
Guard placed on the aircraft and the tower informed it cannot be moved.

I must say, that after all the rampant bribery and corruption that we encounter in Kinshasa and other DRC destinations, a certain schadenfreude exists.

Had a look through the engines - bloody hell! - I cannot believe that anyone would fly an aircraft with first stage blades that look like those do. It would be very interesting to see if the SACAA actually allows this aircraft to leave the country with engines in that condition.

[SmilingKnifed]

Shame the SACAA can't also impound the goons that guard those aircraft. They've been particularly obnoxious at FEAA recently.

[RSQ]

Scuttlebutt has it the aircraft does not belong to the DRC government but to the late Lauren Kabila who passed on in 2001 (I think). And we thought our CAA were slow with registration changes!
Here's a thought - can an aircraft be owned by a dead person? Surely the C of A is not valid - in the case of bad times, who does one sue? what about maintenance oversight ( joke!) and, if the owner has shuffled off, who carries the insurance?
CAA, is this enough of a hint to take a look at the engines and paperwork as they do to us?

[mzunguwamap]

Saw in a South African newspaper that President Kabila's Boeing 707 of the D.R.of Congo was seized in Lanseria where it got refurbished (something with a bill that was not paid or so).
As Kabila is going to New York for the U.N. meeting this weekend, he will be passing Brussels and rumour goes it will be with the B707 9Q-CLK, would love to see that aircraft.
Any updates on this story will be highly appreciated !

Thanks in advance and greetings.

[Michael Palmer]

This B-707 9Q-CLK was attached about 10 days ago by Frans Rootman who has a judgment against the DRC Government for +/- $20 million. You may recall that Rootman also attached and sold the DRC's Falcon 50 9Q-CPK that was standing at Lanseria in 2004.
The 707 has had an interior makeover, apparently under the project management of Bionic Aviation, headed by an Eastern European who goes by the name of BOTA. I wonder if he will get paid for the work since I understand Rootman has watertight evidence that this aircraft belongs to the DRC Government, and not to Kabila personally, as the DRC claims. I also understand that the aircraft will be sold by the Sheriff sometime around the third week of October.

[Economics101]

Well, I wonder will it be around for as long as Mobutu's old 707, which has been rotting away in various locations in LIS for decades. Last spotted last year: is it still there?

[mzunguwamap]

Mobutu's old 707 has been scrapped in LIS this year (I'm sorry to say).
Thanks both for your reaction.

[oligoe]

That is the one they meant....
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6055263&nseq=0

[FR&ASS.]

Can you believe African countries like the DRC who believe that South Africa, and South Africans, owe them anything and everything? They have the audacity to enter into agreements with South Africans whilst they have but no intention of paying their debt arising from such agreements. Then they go and get upset when you try and recover some of your debt by attaching their aeroplanes! There are several South Africans with legitimate judgments against the DRC. While the DRC are ignoring these South African Court Orders (this constitutes contempt of court), these judgments are of full force and effect and will remain so for at least 30 years. We will hunt down all and any DRC assets we can find and have already registered our judgments in several other countries (eg. Uganda, Israel, Zambia and the ICJ in The Hague). The attachment of this 707 is just a single action in a bigger effort of recovering our lawfully owed debt.:=

[Parrot]

FR&ASS,

Nice looking 707 you got there
As a matter of interest, what is stopping the pilots lighting the fires and heading off, even though FALA tower would not give them clearance, I mean we are talking DRC here !

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Anyone else see a game of tit for tat with SA reg aircraft developing here?:rolleyes:

[I.R.PIRATE]

Yup, I await some bullish-bush-justice....

[Michael Palmer]

Long Congolese faces this afternoon at the Pretoria High Court after judgment was reserved in the matter of the attachment of the DRC's B707 at FALA. Counsel for the DRC argued the matter should be on the "urgent" role since the attachment is costing King Congo, AKA Joseph Kabila, $25,000 per day in alternative aircraft charter costs. However, before the urgency point could be argued, the court heard that the aircraft had apparently been attached again this morning, on a seperate writ, issued by a company called Executive Outcomes. Bang goes the "urgency" issue since Executive Outcomes' attachment will now have to be argued.

I understand that the matter now goes onto the court's ordinary role and will be heard maybe sometime next year, with an appeal, if there is one, the year after, so it seems 9Q-CLK will be a feature at FALA for some time to come.

Me thinks a plinth ought to be built at the gates of FALA and the 707 placed on top of it as a reminder to the many African Heads of State passing through Lanseria that they really ought to pay their debts.

[RobinB]

She belongs to the DRC

Act 17702 (http://www.jetphotos.net/census/aircraft2.php?msnid=707-17702) 707-138 9Q-CLK Congo - Government 1999-03
N707SK Skyways 1992-04
N707KS Skyways 1987-12
N600JJ Skyways 1987-06-01
N600JJ Sheikh A.Baroom 1981-06
N600JJ Trafalgar Leas 1979-10-10
N600JJ Private (Charlotte Aircraft Corporation) 1978-11-07
G-AWDG Laker Airways 1969-01-29
G-AWDG British Eagle 1968-03-15
VH-EBG Qantas 1959-09-18

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6055263

Regards

RB

[RobinB]

Executive Outcomes - wow, is this Simon Mann's "revenge" :)

[RobinB]

Hey Frans - I guess it was you that called me re the pic I took of 9Q-CLK ? Was in the UK at the time.

RB

[RobinB]

have pics of interior refurbishment - how does one copy a pic onto a reply - other than posting a URL ?

[ccwriter]

Why would the DRC think they could bring their Air Force One to South Africa and have it refurbished? They must have a short memory! Do they must remember what happened to their Falcon 50?

[mzunguwamap]

RobinB said
"have pics of interior refurbishment - how does one copy a pic onto a reply - other than posting a URL ?"

You could use photobucket.com to upload them and then copy the image tag from that site in the mail on this site (if that's allowed on this forum ofcourse) very easy and cost nothing (yes i'm Dutch)
Would like to see the pics of the interior !

[expose_corrupt_DRC]

The DRC Congo Government well known for corruption, looting, destruction, bribery, exploitation of their mineral rights, thuggery, arms smuggling, warfare and no respect for any form of justice, regarding themselves above the law, disrespecting justice is once again in the news for the attachment of a Boeing 707-138, Reg,nr: 9Q-CLK by Creditors who fight the ignorance of this corrupt government.

Having obtained a judgement in a independent court of law in RSA, Mr.Rootman and several other Creditors must seek assets of this corrupt government in an attempt to enforce justice against a government that has no respect for the law, it’s a total scandal for this DRC Government to refuse to respect another country’s law but so typical of their ability to proof to the world how rotten their integrity really is.

Mr.Rootman has established from sources that this Boeing 707 is standing at FAA Trimmers at South-Africa`s Lanseria Airport being decorated with gold plated washbasin, toilet and all the shiny rubbish while millions in the DRC Congo lives far beyond the breadline in the poorest conditions, in a country which is nearly if not the richest in minerals but destroyed by the governments corruption and exploitation, Mr.Rootman established that this aircraft belongs to the DRC Government and after his attachment they DRC Government responded by saying the aircraft does not belong to the government but by Joseph Kabila the President of the country himself, his personal aircraft.

In the court case a certain Me. Jaynet D. Kabila opposed Rootman`s attachment claiming with a document dated after Rootman`s attachment known in the DRC as a ,,Proces –Verbal Du Counseil De Famille,, that after six (6) year and eight(8) months after Laurent Desiree Kabila the previous DRC President were assassinated who the Respondent claim the legal owner of the aircraft is, now belongs to Joseph Kabila as they the Kabila children has now decided in his will years after his death.
One cannot help to think this is just another DRC Government falsification and attempt to mislead justice as they are well known for this.

Uncertified photo copied Documents before court were filed by Janynet Kabila`s RSA Lawyers, which is as follow:

1: CIVIL AVIATION AIR STATION LICENSE NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Registration : 9Q-CLK Call sign: 9 LK Type: B 707
Owner: Laurent D. Kabila
Transmitters: Collins 618M, 100W, Category:J3E Frequency 2-30MHZ
Collins 618T, 25W, A3E Frequency: 1180-136.0 MHZ

Other equipment: ADF-VOR-ILS-RDR-MTG-GPS-FMS

2: REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE,NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Registration: 9Q-CLK
Manufacturer: Boeing Aircraft Company
Aircraft type: 707-138
Serial no: 17702
Name of Owner: M`Zee Laurent Desire` Kabila

3: AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Nationality Registration no: 9Q-CLK
Manufacturer: Boeing 707-138
Serial no: 17702
These Certificated were issued by the Zaire/DC Congo Director of Civil Aviation on 28 May 1998 , Mr.Ngekisoha Mayanga

4: A DECLERATION BY THE PRESENT DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION OF THE DRC CONGO, on a Ministry of Transport letterhead of the DRC Government, ref,no: 416/DAC/TVC/SEC/687/2007 , Dated 19 September 2007:

In this document Mr.Muaka Mvuezolo the Director of Civil Aviation declares that the aircraft 9Q-CLK, Serial number: 17702, Make: Boeing 707-138 was registered on 28 May 1998 certificate no:1027 in the name of Mzee Laurent Desire` Kabila.

It is totally questionable and against all international aircraft safety rules and registration conditions of a aircraft that a aircraft which is registered on a dead persons name can still fly around the world, if so, ..if so its just another clear proof that the DRC Government don’t care at all for any rules or laws, however this aircraft landed at Lanseria Airport in South-Africa without logbooks, without any documentation, or airworthy certificates.

The following questions is raised now:
1: How can RSA Authorities allow this aircraft to land in Lanseria:
2: Why does the aircraft has no Logbooks?
3: Who is paying FAA Trimmers and Ovation?, how much? For what works?
4: Who is paying the Landing Fees?, Dock Fees?, Fuel bill?

Mr.Rootman we all support your efforts to fight for justice and standing up against this corrupt DRC Government, I`m sure if you give a good reward for any more information regarding this aircraft, its history and how it ended up in the DRC Government`s hands you will get highly qualified people with integrity that will assist you, this very dangerous rubbish aircraft with spooky papers outdated belonging to a dead man assassinated nearly 7 year ago flying around endangering many people life must be stopped.

[Yokeman]

Here'sa solution to the DRC problem.

Why not get all the fat cats from the corrupt integrityless DRC govt into the famous 9Q-CLK and take them for a scenic flip over Kinshasha. Hopefully with the condition of the first stage blades they can go underground with a bang.

Personally I think it is disgusting that millions are spent on an a/c that is in lawless Kabila's "possession" from state coffers so that he can sit on a gold throne doing his ablutions.

Wonder what hand your Mr Mbeki had to play in this whole affair !!! :ugh:

[RobinB]

posted on Jetphotos forum

http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=40662

RB

[RobinB]

try this

http://www.adastron.com/707/qantas/VH-EBG.htm

[FR&ASS.]

Thank you all for your support. I think it is a good idea to offer a reward for information leading to the recovery of monies from the DRC. If you think the idea is on, I am sure that I can squeeze, let say 10% commission on all monies recovered. This could turn out to be substantial.
We have filed for leave to appeal against the current judgement and as long as the legal process continues the 707 will remain visiting Lanseria.
:D

[Yokeman]

Mr Rootman I guess ....

Thankyou for the reward incentive.

A few questions :

1. Could you post your email address - the clowns from DRC are obviously watching this site.
2. How can we contact you or should we first send an email ?
3. Information would oviously be anything that smells of DRC evidence - be it property, bank accounts or aircraft.
4. In which countries do you have attachments orders ?
5. I have see 9QRDZ in my travels and know it belongs to the Zairean Government. Any other aircraft to watch for ?

Thankyou once again !!

Grant :D

[ccwriter]

http://www.pprune.org/forums/ing!Frans, they are going to have to settle up or risk the consequences for many years. I cannot believe the DRC government can be this arrogant! And to think, they are suppose to have a "new government". Sounds like business as usual. It does not matter that they do not agree with the judgement against them, it is a matter of law and law-abiding countries follow the law. But then again, who ever said the DRC was a law-abiding country! With all the natural resorces the DRC has they could be a "star" in Africa. Bloody shame they can't do the right thing.

[merlinxx]

You in Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt, Kano etc, plse advz with full bankers details & account nbrs SVP.

[FR&ASS.]

Hallo Gentleman
I have registered my judgment in most of the European countries ie. Belgium, France, Israel and the Netherlands to name a few and in Africa inter alia Zambia. The purpose is to close down the boundaries of the DRC. I have attached the proceeds of the international judgment, granted in the International Court of Justice in the Hague, in the High Court of Uganda (this case is a reparation judgment against Uganda in favor of the DRC the quantum sits around $ 10 billion). So no matter what they think and believe they are going to pay. Reality dictates and they will have to, within the 30 years the High Court judgment remains in place, make wrong moves and then I will be in a position to satisfy my judgment debt now sitting at around $ 30 million.
If however in the meantime I can satisfy portions of the judgment and in the process assist individuals like yourselves to earn a quick buck, what a pleasure. Gentleman feel free to contact me on my e-mail at [email protected] my offer stands at 10% on all monies recovered on information supplied by you. All information supplied will obviously be treated with the utmost confidentiality.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/infopop/icons/icon14.gif

[Yokeman]

Thankyou Sir ...

Will be putting the word out to fellow pilots in the EU to keep a look out.

You will be hearing from us in the very near future.

PAYBACK is a bitch ....;)

[FR&ASS.]

We are in court again on Tuesday to see what 'crap' the DRC will dish up again. O! and EO will also be in court on the same day.
:ok:

[ccwriter]

Good luck!

[FR&ASS.]

What a joke. In my opinion, Judge Cynthia Pretorius obviously did not read the papers in the case before her, it further also appears that she copied 'the heads of argument' from the papers of the DRC in her so-called judgment. But if she claims that she has read the papers, she must have received her stroke of brilliance on her original judgment and her consequent denial for leave to appeal from 'somewhere'. A blind man can see that her judgment was extremely poor and her denial for leave to appeal even worse, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that there is MUCH more than just, doubt, that a other court will come to a different conclusion on the facts presented. The DRC only produced expired, changed and incomplete documents upon which, she without 'the leading of evidence', found (in South Africa) that the estate of Laurent Kabila is the owner of a state maintained and used aircraft, originally 'donated' to him, and this only now six years after his assasination in the DRC (absurd), and then denies leave to appeal. THIS MAKES ONE THINK.
:confused:

[Jamex]

This certainly does make one think!! Obviously the fix is in. This is why these S:mad:B's come to this country. Nothing like a corrupt judicial system to make all things possible for a scam. I tend to feel sorry for convicted criminals in SA these days as clearly they could not pay their way out of jail!! Anyway I sincerely hope the DRC can be forced to pay. I lost USD1,500,000 in work done for the governor-general of Nigeria a few years ago. Received NO assistance from this government! Best advice I can give you is, dont give up, ride these Congolese criminals all the way! Only wish I could help you in some more definite way.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D!!!!!!!!!!!

[FR&ASS.]

Just to bring you up to speed. 9Q-CLK is still under attachment at Lanseria and will remain so until the DRC understands 'rule of law' and pay their debts. Nobody can go around running up debts, very well knowing that they have NO intention of paying it. But hopefully this exercise will warn people out there browsing this website to be aware that if you do, do business with Africa it is going to bite you.
:=

[SAT_BOSS]

The rule of law in Africa does not exist. My suggestion is to have someone take out all the gold fittings and usable stuff out of the aircraft one night and torch the bloody thing.
Should there be an attachment order then I think that the insurance money as such on such a payout will form part of that attachment and a good chance exist that that policy is not held in SA so a foreign court might be more inclined to grant the value of that aircraft's insurance to the people that have been wronged.
This sick continent does not need a try at the rule of law and also does not need idiot judges that have clearly received a phone call that it’s a diplomatic matter and we should be more thus and that .... bullS:mad:..t I say
Hurt these bastards that are hurting our pockets and teach them a very good lesson, maybe a bit of fire and a loud bang is required.
(Frans I will not be surprised if these DRC Goons will hire some of their equally corrupt Nigerian Goons) to hurt you or your family .... Have the bloody thing burnt, the lesson will never be forgotten!
(Wonder if the judge will now get an appointment to the Constitutional Court so she can be part of that Clowned Up gang of Fa....:mad:ts)
Good luck guys, GIVE THEM HELL!

[cubana]

Sorry Frans But What Does Eo Mean?

[126,7]

Sorry Frans But What Does Eo Mean?

Executive Outcomes

[cubana]

Thanks 126.7........

[FR&ASS.]

Good day to you all. Just thought I will allow you to do a little bit of 'Herlok Shomes' work on your own. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to follow the easy leads to allow you to reach a stage where you can come to some sort of a conclusion as to who the 707 belongs to. Bearing in mind that it is alleged that the aircraft belongs to the estate of the late Laurant Kabila. I contest that the aircraft belongs to the DRC government. Remember this investigation you will embark on only relates to some of the issues and facts in this case, but you be the judge. (O yes, the judgment in yesterdays hearing has been reserved, so that attachment still stands and my petition to the High Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein has been lodged, so that attachment also still stands.)

Now to continue with the investigation; Go to the Google web page, enter the following into search www.faaircraft-interiors.************* (http://www.faaircraft-interiors.*************) remember these are the guys that got the order to do the refurbishing , scroll down the blog, while you enjoy all the beautiful pictures of 9Q-CLK, get to the picture with the heading Boeing 707 9Q-CLK History, now to the right of the picture there is a other link taking you to VH-EBG.htm. go there, what you need to do now is scroll down the page till you get to the entry dated MAR 98, read the entry and decide, remembering that this is on the site of the contractor. The big question now is, WHO IS THE OWNER OF 9Q-CLK.
:D

[Jamex]

Good day Frans. Is the FAAircraft interiors link correct? I cant seem to access it.

[Fris B. Fairing]

FR&ASS
Allow me to save everyone a lot of trouble. Here is the history of 9Q-CLK to which you refer.
VH-EBG (http://www.adastron.com/707/qantas/VH-EBG.htm)
Whilst this may be the most comprehensive history of this aeroplane available anywhere, it must be noted that it is based on the best available information. This information may or may not be correct. Also please note that whilst the contractor's website does carry an authorised link to this history, the history itself is not hosted on the contractor's website.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Regards

[FR&ASS.]

Jamex
I get access to the site on www.faaircraft-interiors.************* (http://www.faaircraft-interiors.*************) but you can use the link that Fris B. Fairing suggests, but then you miss the pictures of the now revamped interior. You can also try by searching 9Q-CLK on Google. Fris B. Fairing is correct in suggesting that however this is publicly the most up to date information, the real ownership lies with the underlying cause or contract that leads to the information being verifiable or not. Thus should you inspect the documents, one finds that this 707 was sold by a Bank in USA by way of a contract to the DRC, as the available document verifies. The problem that the contractor has by using this particular link on his web page/blog is that he underwrites the information as it appears as being correct. Or, especially with pending court cases relating to ownership, he should not place such a link. But if he does, at least distance him from information, on his supplied link, that can or may be misleading. Alternatively it must then surely indicate that this information is correct. A further quick test would be, who gave the instructions for the refurbishing to be done? I guess this is normally the owner (I would never refurbish anybodies aircraft unless I have a stake in it). Who paid/pays for it? If you get paid at all. Makes one think. I just thought it would be a great idea to bring a little more reality into the normally 'dull' South African day. Hope you enjoy it, thanks for the support.
:confused:

[Fris B. Fairing]

FR&ASS
If you scroll down to 25SEP07 in the chronology you will find a link to images of the interior (http://www.adastron.com/707/qantas/9q-clk-refurb/9Q-CLK.htm)
Rgds

[RobinB]

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=707SK

Show the de-registration of what became 9Q-CLK

[Fris B. Fairing]

RobinB

Done. Thanks for the lead.

Rgds

[FR&ASS.]

Update on 9Q-CLK.

Yesterday the most amazing thing happened again in court with the attachment case of EO and the DRC. The judge relied on one piece of so called "evidence" and made, without the leading of any evidence to substantiate, his finding that the aircraft belongs to the estate of Laurent Kabila. Great, another appeal. But this was still alright, it seems that this has now become the norm of court cases in South Africa.

However today at around three the DRC government's pilots decided that they obviously have had enough. They got into the plain took of and left into the horizon with the undercarriage down.

This now begs quite a few questions: Who gave them permission to leave while the aircraft is still under attachment? What is the involvement of the ATC? What did the Sheriff do to prevent this? Or what role did he play?
Surely the lawyers of the DRC know the rules and regulations concerning an attachment? How is it possible for an aircraft that is not airworthy to be allowed to leave Lanseria? And so the list of anomalies continues.

This little exercise has now taken a new turn and it will be extremely interesting to see how this is going to pan out. So readers when you happen to spot a ugly brown 707 with registration number 9Q-CLK any where in the world, please remind the occupants that the aircraft 'might' be stolen.......:ooh:

[Coleman Myers]

Just as a warning, if anybody is approached by one Jean Jacque de Mabuluki Ngoy (aka Papi Kasimbi) under no cricumstances trust him to engadge in recovering debt in DRC. He has recently screwed a good mate and is bad news and in huge debt of his own in Zambia and DRC...

[Jamex]

Frans, the suggestions posted by Satboss actually had merit. I am not surprised at what happened. Some three years ago an AN12 was grounded at ORTIA. Owner/operator had been deported from SA a number of times only to re-appear a week after each deportation and continue his illiegal operations. It was operated by Volga Atlantic. When news broke that the aircraft had been grounded world-wide by Antonov themselves in 1990 already, the SACAA then "arrested" the aircraft and parked it on 09 at JIA/ORTIA. The aircraft stood a week, the owner still taking money from potential charterers with an excuse as to the aircrafts whereabouts, etc. I myself spoke to the owner enquiring where his aircraft was as there was work waiting for it and had him assure me, telephonically, that his aircraft was in Luanda. This while I was at ORTIA looking at his aircraft! Anyway, two days after this and some eight days after the impounding of the aircraft, it disappeared! Turns out an official from the CAA actually drove to Lanseria and in front of others who witnessed this handed the owner a Foreign Operators Permit to allow him to remove the aircraft. The aircraft had been registered in Burundi and left JIA/ORTIA for Bujumbura where these same dicey operators continued to operate. Last I heard the aircraft had been arrested in the DRC, then it again disappeared. Anyway, the point of the above story is, these guys operated without an AOC on FOP's in SA for about 10 years. They dominated the market because they were not subjected to the same scrutiny the SA operators were. They did no maintenance and were not insured. This allowed them to undercut everybody else. When they eventually left they took a lot of peoples money with them and failed to perform the services they had been paid for. The operator boasted to me , one night while he was drunk, that he was former KGB, and had been based in Maputo for the former Soviet Union during the National Party government days in SA. He then went on to tell me about the Russian Ambassedor being on his payroll including some prominent ANC government officials, which included a well known lady in the Minister of Transports office and also included the then minister of National Intelligence in SA. That is how he operated illegally and came back into the country at will after deportation. I am willing to give you odds of 1000 to 1 that you have just experienced this same type of corruption involving the justice department, the SACAA and the Dept of Transport. This is the New South African way of late. The corruption goes all the way to the top. That is how this B707 departed FALA and was not stopped or had any questions asked at all. After all, when the sherrif of the court attached the aircraft he would have notified ATC and they would have prevented any departure unless the crew or someone else presented some documentation to convince them it was legal for the aircraft to depart. I wonder if FAAircraft Interiors were paid before this aircraft left? Now you understand what I meant in an earlier post about trying to get money owed to me out of the Nigerian government and Equatorial Guinea.

[Parrot]

Below is from my post of 27 Sept !!
"Nice looking 707 you got there
As a matter of interest, what is stopping the pilots lighting the fires and heading off, even though FALA tower would not give them clearance, I mean we are talking DRC here !"
Was there not something that could have been done to prevent this:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Jamex]

Parrot I saw your earlier post and yes you were right. Unfortunately, when one attaches an aircraft today you need to remove engines and make the aircraft unflyable. This is the way Africa works, unfortunately. You cannot trust the authorities to do what they are appointed and paid to do. Wait until I tell you how these foreign Africans dont pay in full according to signed agreements. You refuse to perform until they do, as per the contract, only to be woken at home at midnight by 3 black police officials who arrest you, hold you for 48 hrs in the cells, apply to the courts for permission to hold you longer, eventually get brought before the court, get bail and have another 8 months of hell while the case is continually postponed for "further investigation". This on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. The first white (the control prosecutor)who see's the docket, loses his cool at what has happened, by this time you're some R30,000 out of pocket on bail and legal fee's, gives instructions to the prosecutor to withdraw the case. He then also tells me how the "in thing" now is to go to a black policeman and allege someone owes you money, if he(the policeman) helps get the money back they will give him a percentage. He has a group of buddies, including a prosecutor, working with him. At tax payers cost, they have blue uniforms, cars, police cells and the courts to try and extort money out of the innocent for these crooks. I had this exact experience. Last year in Doha I met a lady who was a prosecutor in Durban. She tells me about an SAA pilot who sold a microlight to an individual(whiteguy) who damaged the wingtip and then demanded his money back and the deal cancelled. When the SAA guy would'nt play ball the "complainant" elected to go the above-mentioned route to get his money back. Fortunately this lady(An Asian) was brought in by the victims lawyer and justice prevailed. She was also aware of this particular tactic. The reason I mention the races involved is to show it is reaching epidemic proportions and all races are now playing this game. I will no longer rely on nor trust the SA courts nor the SAPS. I now take care of my problems my way. My 45ACP is under my pillow at night. The next time I have police officials force entry into my property like these jokers did and refuse to identify themselves I do not guarentee they will remain unharmed. Frans, watch out for this tactic and any contract operators take note of this too.

[FR&ASS.]

Gentleman
Thank you again for all the support. The problem we all have boils down to one issue, and that is if we agree that there is no 'rule of law', what do we do. Bearing in mind that this determines the future of how we are going to operate. If it is found that the government of the day turns a blind eye to the lawlessness and even worse are found to be participating in it. Then we really need to rethink our position in South Africa.
:confused:

[Jamex]

I agree with you 100%. As indicated in my last post this happened to me and it has happened to a number of other people I have met. I was shown an internal memo from the Minister of Safety and Security addressed to all SAPS station commanders specifically addressing this tendency and yet I have an uncle in the SAPS with the rank of Director who assures me this is still happening. Daily. The criminals in blue are like all criminals, they are scoff-laws at best. The one notion the ANC government has never quite got the hang of, is that you cannot blithely pass new laws and hope this will solve the problem. They seem to work on the premise that, when in doubt pass a law. They are permanently in doubt if you look at the new laws rolling out of the sausage machine! Unfortunately, no-one applies those laws. Think it was FD Roosevelt who said "it is not the severity of the punishment which acts as a deterrrent, but rather the certainty of punishment". Criminals flock to SA because the certainty they have is they can get away with it. We really need to seriously re-evaluate what we can do and what our options are.

[9Q-CLK]

It is known that the RDC Congo Gouvernment thrives on bribery and corruption, as well as exploiting the mineral wealth of this country, a selected elite few enrich themselves and the fact that the people in South-Africa battled to get the certified ownership documents of the Boeing 707, registered as 9Q-CLK is clear that these corrupt government officials will commit any means of fraud to ensure that the attachment is proven wrong, the refurbishment with gold-plated interior is another shameful disgusting way the ordinary congolese citizens is mistreated by these government officials.

The RDC Gouvernment has lots of enemies in the businessworld internationally after they exploited these companies and refused to pay them, the RDC Gouvernment never respects any form of justice and no matter what application any of these companies might bring against the RDC Gouvernment even obtaining judgements like Mr.Rootman will never be respected by this corrupt supose to be government, whatever you do Mr.Rootman know this that the RDC Gouvernment is corrupt and will never pay you, the advantage they have in Afrique du Sud is that the gouvernment in Sud Africa has bi-lateral protocols signed with the corrupt RDC Gouvernment and will protect them even in your country no matter if they even will ,,interfere,, with your justice systeme, it is scandalous that Mr.Rootman were denied justice that aircraft is the property of the RDC Congo Gouvernment, it is a scandal that the justice systyme in sud-africa is also so corrupt, Mr.Rootman we the congolese pray that you will get justice by some way and pray for us that these corrupt gouvernment might be exposed of all their criminal deeds.

[Coleman Myers]

Katangan's are by nature fairly reliable, resonable and straight. If Mount Kivu expolded and drowned the rest in lava it would make no difference to me ...

[FR&ASS.]

9Q-CLK
You seem to know more than what meets the eye. My offer that I made earlier in the thread still stands, so if you have information please feel free to contact me.
$$$

[ccwriter]

Frans, thought the plane was being guarded. Bet the list of individuals that was paid off is long and distinguished!:(

[AAL]

Jamex, your earlier recount of the AN-12, the individual concerned, his modus operandi, and his contacts and political influence (and partners) is perfectly correct, and that is 100% how is was/still is, except I think that one AN-12 is no more since it crashed in the DRC and another destroyed undercarriage at Entebbe in Uganda.

His operation based in Goma (DRC) is called Mango Air (wonder if its related to Mango SA?)

Hear rumours that he is considering and attempting again to bring IL-76 to SA to operate out of JNB (on FOP sytem).

But the irony, after all the deportation orders over all these many years - this gentleman still resides in South Africa, in exactly the same abode as he has done for the past 10 years.

SA is vrot!

[AAL]

FR&ASS

The DRC Minister of Transport was very recently fired for his incompetence and failure to manage and control the/his Civil Aviation function and responsibilities. Perhaps he has a bone to pick and motive for revenge.

Perhaps he is not a bad candidate to be in contact with and speaking to.

Some of the DRC CAA authorities are also very "co-operative" and for a few dollars, new country of residence, and some plastic surgery might also be prepared to help you!

[SAT_BOSS]

Africa Wins Again.

"Steal the aircraft, fly it to a civilized country with laws" attach it on landing and see what happens.

"Steal the aircraft" total it in a civilized country on landing - the order is made & stands - get the insurance money

I live in Canada now, fact of the matter is that no K:mad:fr country ever worked, nor ever will, nor ever shall.

A guy three houses away from me in Canada lost $140,000.00 in a 401K scam in Nigeria, I warned the stupid fool that he will get burnt, he flew to Lagos, met the Minister of education and had to listen to his sad tale .... of an only uncle ....

Well I chuckled ...... sorry guys but these are moot points, Africa is Africa and that's the way it is

[Jamex]

Frans, I have an offer to make you, take care of expenses and I will go to the DRC and meet with the individual mentioned by AAL as I am sure this guy can and most likely will give all the info you need. Then I suggest a big enough stink be made in the local media and the guilty authorities in SA be made to live uncomfortably for a while. I know this will only be until the next dramatic happening diverts attention but its worth a try. At least also makes other aware of whats going on and gives anyone contemplating doing business with African governments food for thought. I have lost a lot of money and an aircraft to African thieves. Its time to stop the rot and get back what is owing to us or at least limit further damage. Another famous quote from Roosevelt "in order for evil to succeed it needs only that good men do nothing." Obvious proviso I would make is my identity must remain confidential. PM me if interested.

[4144r]

Hi all,
9Q CLK was taking off from lanseria 3 days ago, heading NW.
I was on the field this day.
Every body at Lanseria were looking for this big bird!
Soft landings:)

[FR&ASS.]

JameX
Please drop me an e-mail on [email protected] in order to set up a meeting to discuss the possibilities of getting some revenge. It goes without saying that all and everybody's identity that assists me, in what ever way, will be kept confidential and the identity of such a person, I guarantee, will never be known to anybody except me. Thanks again for the support.
They may crook some of the people some of the time but they can't crook all the people all the time.

[birdlady]

Fri***in hell :mad:. What an interesting topic.

Jamie,

I have a funny feeling that I know who you are talking about with regards the Antonov. :E:E;)

What really concerns me is that we are under a microscope at the moment and the powers that be still have the audacity to pull sh*t like this. Someone somewhere must have been paid a great deal of money to allow CLK to leave the country. Ohhhhh the apathy and sheer ignorance is enough to make one :mad::mad::mad:

It is high time that someone pulls together an independant investigation into foggy bottom (no names but obvious who Im talking about :rolleyes::rolleyes:) before it all goes t*ts up and our once great aviation industry is but a distant memory. :{:{:{:mad:

[RobinB]

Hi Guys - so, reading between the lines here on "aspects corrupt", seems a number of people have a lot of info that could be of use to the authoroties. Now, before one goes off half cocked about our so called "justice departments" here in SAfrica - how about this for an idea.

You may be aware that 702 radio launched a "crime line" whereby such criminal things can be reported anonymously. The good thing is that you have 702 monitoring all of this and if no results are forthcoming, we get to hear about it in the news - and the "heat" is applied. So, what have we got to loose ? SMS' can be sent to 32211 or via internet at www.crimeline.co.za (http://www.crimeline.co.za) Now, back to 9Q-CLK. I pointed all the Jetphotos Forum trawlers to this thread with a request to keep an eye out for 9Q-CLK - who know's, perhaps we can find the beast oneday and justice may be served. "doing nothing" achieves exactly that - "nothing".

[FR&ASS.]

Hi again readers, sorry for no recent update because I was kept busy with the preparation of some documents in order to tighten the noose around the neck of the non payer. The story around 9Q-CLK will still be with us for a while. The fact that the DRC 'bought' their own aircraft at the cost of 'the rule of law,' leaves the man in the street with a sour taste in the mouth. This whole issue makes one rethink the so-called African Renaissance and what ever it holds for the law abiding citizen, especially if this is the type of behavior to expect in this new world of ours. The point is that one may have the best intentions and plans but if your support system ie. community structures and rule of law does not apply equal to all, you are fighting a losing battle.
So ladies and gentleman as RobinB rightfully points out, "if it is to be it is up to me (us)", the choice is ours whether we are going to become a statistic or do something about it. I for one is not going to take this lying down, lets take control of at least our own situations and then assist our friends in trying to improve the current situation. Thank you all ones more for all the emails and support.
:D

[ccwriter]

Frans, sooner or later they will slip up big time and we will get our due.

[Fliterisk]

This is a very interesting thread... although I guess it has to be said...

Fact is that while there does seem to be clear commitment to doing something about an injustice, there is no will or support from the government we have in power. That being from the top down.

The South African government has shown that it has no willingness to protect the sovereignty of the country, its people, its laws and plain and simply what's right.

Frans, I feel for you, this whole mess must have created more than its fair share of nightmares. But quite frankly, we have a bunch of self serving fools in positions of power, and they are the majority. This is not a black white thing, because I am certain any legitimate black businessman would also be concerned, but the achilles heel of South Africa, is that we are inextricably linked to Africa. By both culture, thinking, physical boundaries, morals and ethics.

I fear that this may be a losing battle... and this is accepting that the corruption has beaten me long time ago... and yes, I have given up...

No Africa renaissance - no hope! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Fris B. Fairing]

So what's the latest? Presumably the aeroplane is restricted to long range missions within the confines of the DRC?

[mzunguwamap]

Found this recent picture on the net.
Skyliner - aviation news & more (http://skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=6965)
Looks good to me, anyone with more info ?

[RobinB]

Wow, this time round those JTD's have been removed - unlike the time I photographed her at FALA a few years ago, where the priority was to "bling up" the interior and ignore the "smokin' donkeys"........