GF pilot selection

[GFA007]

Rumours about pilot selection program
Any news on this area?
I heard that the pilot selection manager CAPT AH**D S*L**MI was directly involved... giving away answers to the questions.

Any Update on this?

[BusTie]

Yup, He hasn't been showing up for the past weeks. mind you the people in the office are trying to keep it quiet and saying that he is on leave. which is total BS.

Him and Capt. Ameena are both out.

[DukePhantom]

is this official ??

[all119]

I don’t know what is happening in gulf air as most of you don’t
I just want to job end if the day
Is there any one of you there waiting like me for the ab initio vacancy or selection
Please email me at [email protected] ([email protected])

Best of luck :ok:

[BusTie]

Only one candidate made it in, after a very long training period.
Here he is..... New Joiners (http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fi165.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu42%2FDy lanJ87%2FPilot1.jpg&searchTerm=pilot&pageOffset=20)

[all119]

lol i like the pic but that does not answer my question :)

[TZZ]

I heared the capt name mentioned is going on early retirement, it doesnt mean that he is the one who had leaked exam questions for cadet pilot.
It could be someone from HR who have leaked it.

[riffbiff]

Capt Saleemi has been fired by the board for being responsible for leaking the cadet selection exam questions to one female candidate. The female candidate was Hisham abualfateh sister (GF spokesman). Apparently, he was trading promotion with succession the sister through. From what I heard is that Saleemi was hoping with the new Bahraini chief arriving, hisham would influence the new chap to kick Chris (VPT) out and replace him with a "national" that is Saleemi. :hmm:

Capt. Saleemi ends his 30 years of service with a (termination letter) from the board for being dishonest in his job. Yes I also heard that he was retiring at the end of the year, but the board made a fast track to his departure from the company. I also heard he was not allowed to benefit from the package offered. :}

If this company wants to step ahead and succeed, dishonest people should be fired immediately, even if they are nationals. :D

[InTrGYYZ]

Why is it that this has affected our group that went thru the process fairly and normally as the years before did??? Its B U L L S H I T that u keep someone waiting for 12 months and tell them sorry everything is void, and canceled ...Have a good life? Thanks for wasting my time u b u l l s h i t company

First it went from a full scholarship, to a personal loan to NOTHING?.. I'll be paying for training??? this isn't costing GF anything!

Should've gone done my master's degree that I declined and been an asset for a company that appreciates instead of believing their BS. :=

And 12 months later.. no one has an answer... :ugh:

Is this fair? Ethical?

[pilitio]

12 months of waiting and delaying the course from while to while.. a full sponsored program turned into a personal loan with Gulf Air's recommendation and job guaranty was still ok with the selected cadets of 2006's batch. Latest information said that the course is set to start on October 22nd ( HR said so) and now VPT says everythin is VOID!!! What does it have to do with our batch!! Why was it delayed for this long and now everything is messed up ? We were adviced to apply for the new loan and assesment provided by Bahrain Developement Bank.. Is it fair to make us go through the whole assessment process again? You never know how long we have been under stress waiting for our results and wrtiting tests and being interviewd.. They simply want us to be assessed again with BDB and either get selected or not!!!

Whoever reads this do u think its fair? They simply avoided our acceptance and kicked us off!!!! Way to go our national carier ;)

[riffbiff]

you are right, it is unfair to ask the last year candidates who made it through to start from zero and go through the selection again.

The decision which was made to empower BDB to take care of the selection is simply becuase the program is no longer Gulf Air's, BDB is paying for the training of the candidates and the selection process should be entirly theirs. GF offered to facilitate the selection and the placement on the course etc, but with the recent misconduct the decision was made to remove the "control" from GF.

I heard that the candidates who'll complete the training might also be employed with national airlines other than GF, such as Ajwaa, royal airline etc.

[Che Guevara]

So the Bahrain Developent Bank knows what it takes to make an airline pilot do they? :ugh:
Exactly what criteria are they planning to use for assessing potential candidates I wonder?

How embarrassing....:sad:

[jackbauer]

Well if the people who pay for the training get to do the selection lets just ask the passengers to do all the assessments. That should get a really good bunch of new pilots and probably better than the bunch of moaners on here.

[InTrGYYZ]

I agree that GF isn't handling the assessments anymore. What about the 3 or so batches that were sent to Doha? And the batch of 9 Omanis and 1 Bahraini that were sent a month before our acceptance?

Che Guevara, you are right, I spoke to a few reps from BDB and they believe that these students can start re-paying the loans in 1 year... ummm isnt the course 1 year long??? yes

Btw BDB wasn't doing the assessments, its Clark Aviation that came all the way from the Philippines to test the interested candidates after paying a fee of $300

riffbiff, you mentioned "The decision which was made to empower BDB to take care of the selection is simply becuase the program is no longer Gulf Air's"

Yes you are right, but again this all has to do with the mess that happened in 2007, not 2006!

[Che Guevara]

Clark Aviation that came all the way from the Philippines

Oh, they brought in the experts did they?:ugh:
One would have thought if they were going to use a flying school to do the assessments, then might as well use the school in Jodan that the successful candidates will go to, or does that make too much sense...

To be honest I find it absolutely ludicrous that a national airline can't do their own honest and fair cadet asessments, but there you go. :rolleyes:

[pilitio]

What are you people talking about!!! First, yes Gulf Air doesnt have anything to do with Clark Aviation assessment.. Here is the thing, BDB decided to make the aviation loans open to anyone who has acceptance in any flight school... and as a first step to apply their project, Clark Aviation came to test anyone interested, the guys who pass the assessment will be directed and recommended to BDB to recieve their loans, they will only cover the school fees as long as it doesnt exceed BD30,000 no pocket money no job guarantee... MEANWHILE Gulf Air didnt move on with their contract with BDB as they mentioned a couple of months ago that they wanna train 40 pilots.. they were supposed to give us a letter to proceed to BDB and get our loans!!! this never happened..

In summery, Clark Aviation assessment is totally different and doesnt have anythin to do with Gulf Air... in both cases our group has been avoided

[Che Guevara]

Hey, I know a flying school in Cuba that can do assessments..oh yes, one in Mozambique as well, maybe the BDB could use these. :eek:
The whole thing is a bit of a farce I'm afraid. Good luck to all.

Salud!

[riffbiff]

Che G. you are right.. but the school in Jordan cannot make the tests or would not be recommended to do the tests, because simply they might take on board all the applicants (even those who are not "that qualified' after all, they will take as many students as they can)

it looks like the whole thing turned into a bank giving loans to people interested in flying.. which any other personal loan will do, i thought there was some sort of committment from GF to offer jobs for the successful pilots, but everything seems to be in a total mess.

[TZZ]

i reckon the school in cuba once you graduate from there you will be the best pilot by smuggling drugs lol. they will give you good training specially low flying with no transponder,and after that you can pay off your loan in 1 flight so i think cuba is the best place to train.

[pilitio]

There is a contract between GF and BDB which was signed a while ago.. GF must recommend some cadets to BDB so they get their loan.. it seems GF ignored the whole issue and the contract became some meanless words in a paper since BDB didnt recieve any names fom GF... what a mess

[TZZ]

what about abinitio do we have to sign a contract with BDB if we get in.

[all119]

do u want us to pay for the type rating with a bound of 5 years ?
so what did thay pay?

[Tuscani]

All i can say is this is a disappointment it seems that gulfairs word never stands as the last, having experinced thier misguidance first hand i wish that one day they would grow into a proper airline and get orginized, how many more broken promises? How many more people are going to suffer and wait because of this lack of orginization? All is can Say is this has to change some one has to step up and Change this airline into some

[b767300]

The best way to find out if any staff is terminated is to search the web mail for his/her email.
If the email exists then he/she is still with Gulf air.
for example
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.59656c85a9.jpg (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?59656c85a9.jpg)


Nice example isn't it.... :}

[ironbutt57]

Look guys and Gals, GF is in the midst of a re-organization, and fleet rationalization, like they have never been before....your concerns as potential new hires, as well as many of ours as Captains/First officers flying the line as we speak, might tend to be secondary right now in the big picture....so be patient and hang tight...if you are successful and professional, see you on the flt deck in the (near?) future...

[InTrGYYZ]

Ironbutt, I understand that GF is going through a reorganization and a fleet rationalization, but how can u ask someone to just sit there for 12 months, with no guarantee of any future. Does it really take that long??? lol... Am I asking for too much?

[BusTie]

Understand? What do you understand of the REAL aviation life? My dear so called "aviator" with this attitude you will not get too far in aviation. Now I understand and respect your frustration and being upset, but 12 months waiting for going from a piper Cherokee to an Airbus/Boeing is way beyond being fair.

By your username, I can tell you had your training in Toronto, >>IF<< that is the case than you should know the real aviation life of a pilot, going from paying almost $100,000 CND for your licenses (all from your own pocket) to instructing, flying a Navajo for cargo company (in Canadian winter), Fly as a bush pilot,... getting into a right seat of a turbine,...work your way up (including washing your own plane on the weekends) to commuter,... or if you are lucky into an executive jet get the hours and then apply with the Airlines...only to realize Ohhh...you don't have much of a command time, so go back fly light piston/turbine cargo/charter up in northern Canada again, with temps of -40 and blowing snow, load the plane yourself, de-ice yourself while freezing your %%$$#, do an NDB approach into 1/4 mile vis runway PLUS paying all your bills with $30,000 CND income of which 22% (aprox) of it is going for taxes. THEN you could be one of the lucky ones (must have a University degree as well) and get on with Air Canada....and again if you are luckier than before they will put you on the Airbus fleet and not smaller fleet.

So my friend when you mention

Does it really take that long??? lol... Am I asking for too much? Ahh yes.. the holy month of Ramadan, sit back boys.. I guess we gotta wait another 30 days now

I have to inform you that YOU don't know the true definition of LONG.

Be patient, be professional and you will get to what you want sooner than you expected. Inshalah….:ok:

See you on line…..

(make it fast I am leaving in Nov)

[b767300]

InTrGYYZ
Ahh yes.. The holy month of Ramadan, sit back boys.. I guess we gotta wait another 30 days now

Watch it :ouch:

Please do not talk about religion here, thanks

[TZZ]

InTrGYYZ (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=182750) , you have to be patient if you go and do your training sometimes you will be stuck with bad weather for weeks and you cant train. So just wait like all of us are waiting.

[all119]

hi TZZ did u come back to bahrain :hmm:

[MAKAVELI320]

<P>well said bus tie <IMG alt=0 src="http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies2/eusa_clap.gif" border=0 smilieid="4"></P>

[InTrGYYZ]

Gentlemen, I was just seeking answers.. no attitude intended, I apologize ....Please excuse me if some of the frustration has leaked out a little bit.

Bustie, the amazing part is that I know Exactly what you're talking about and I have experienced it first hand(the washing of airplanes, fly to an airfield you've never heard of before, fueling your own aircraft) .. thats why I highly appreciate the fact that we have it easy here, when it comes to flying.. my own instructor had 1500+ hours and he couldn't get on with Air Georgian flying their Caravans. But the nice thing is that you can experience what you call "real aviation" in Canada and I'm pleased to have taken part in that.

Cheers :ok:

[GFA007]

Is Saleemi still holding his current position ?

:sad:

[riffbiff]

Saleemi was fired by the board he is no longer working for GF.

[TZZ]

so if he is fired who is incharge of pilot recruitment than.