Hong Kong Airlines (CR Airways) Pay Scale

[Fair.Pilot]

Anyone has any idea how much a Capt. on the 737-NG makes a month?
What's the average flying hours per month? Also the tax in HK?
Thank you.

[cunninglinguist]

2nd hand info Fair ( but fairly reliable ), 69,500 is the base + 7000 hsg alowance, that puts it at around ( a minimum of ) 7000 behind a dragon effo's package ( 57000 + 26000 min )
HK tax is 16% ??

[Fair.Pilot]

Thanks!

Heard every month 1 new 737NG enters the fleet, however not much $$$ from nightstop?

[beerboy]

Well not exactly sure where you're getting that kind of information, however there hasn't been a new 737 for the past half a year. There is a new one coming end of next month, but no idea when the next is after that.
Nightstops pay is actually pretty dire, very dire in fact. Turns out that the HKA crew are doing a wet lease for HK express involving an overnight, so you would think that they'd get the 50US(that HKE get paid)...No chance..how about 120HKD, around 15US! hmmm

[El Kabong]

To All & Sundry,

If you are thinking about it "think twice" or at the very least make absolutely sure that you are crystal clear about the perception that you may derive from your interview, the "agreement" is loose and particularly vague leaving it open to shall we say "interpretation" which will not be in your favour!

If you are new to the industry and want a "leg up" then maybe - If you have heavy/medium jet time EXAMINE ALL YOUR OPTIONS, the pay will all most certainly be better. :)

[Fair.Pilot]

Thanks guys!
Looks like I'll give HKA a miss!

[pedro the bus driver]

had a margarita at coyotes in the wanchi with a hobmre last night and is saying the company not looking so good., F/O's leaving like the great donkey migration back in home country, and now the direct entry captains are drying up faster than a 3 day old taco! No more NG's this year as no drivers and no passengers........and no money....the writting is on the tequila box,:sad:

[Agent Mulder]

what about the 50 airbuses!! try and crew them on your peanut wages!HKA is going down the toilet.Even the hookers in Neptunes cant give freebies out any more to the skint HK airlines pilots.Yep where are all the promised NGS.....with other airlines. F/O salary for NG is better in India. They will start parking the NGS buy the clapped out CRJ 700 soon.

[beerboy]

Sorry people, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about the 50 airbuses. HKA have signed a memorandum of agreement to buy 50, they haven't actually bought any yet. So don't listen to the propaganda.
They're known for doing silly things just to get a bit of publicity. Example was that HKA announced that 777's were on the way and that they'd be headed towards Gatwick as of last January!!
As for the FO's, not many seem to be leaving, they're either low time or that they're stuck because Oasis aren't taking any of them since the two companys have decided to do some business together. Capts on the other hand, are indeed drying up, and what with no command course for the FO's then things are going to get a little tricky...

[Fella]

As for the FO's, not many seem to be leaving, they're either low time ....

Interesting way to describe some of the hard working lads at HKA. A reliable lady in Wanchai tells me some of the "low time" F/O's have been around the block more than once. I'm not knocking low time pilots, all pilots were low time at one stage, however generalisation doesn't bring many endearments:ok:

[beerboy]

Fella, I think you have the wrong end of the stick, and I apologise if any are offended, this was not the intention. It was merely pointing out that guys will be using the place as a stepping stone and I guess I should have maybe said low jet time.
In saying that, I cannot see the connection between being hard working and being a "low time" pilot(jet or no jet). I also have to ask you why you would think that my low time statement was actually aimed at the chaps who have been around the block, since that would make them NOT low time.
On top of that I did say SOME(were low time)..I did not say all. I also mentioned that other airlines (Oasis as an example being the fact that many HKA FO's have actually applied for them as well as other airlines)are cautious of hiring HKA pilots for whatever reason. Now Fella,what is to say that the hard working chaps that you're refering to aren't part of that "generalisation" who have indeed applied elsewhere.
and for your information..I'm one of the FO's here who is lacking somewhat in the hours

[HKCAD]

Beerboy,

you are so right, one of my "esteemed colleagues" is trying to play GOD for some unknown reason and making things rather difficult for you chaps to swap window seats over at HKA. Out of our hands! Good luck:=

[beerboy]

HKCAD
thanks for the support. I'm being a sceptic, but that unknown reason you're talking about, I really do wonder what it is, because our cousins at express seem to have no problems. No matter what it is, it should be a warning to FO's expecting command here. Not in the very near future!!
Oh forgot to mention seems that FO's have been blocked from going to Oasis and KA. Now to be fair, not sure of the exact details, but after being given an acceptance letter, chaps have resigned from HKA.. TBA is written on the roster, and two to three weeks later, they're back on the roster!! Not sure if its because the other airlines have failed to do their homework, or now theres some unwritten agreement between the local carriers(i know there is between HKA and HKE now), but bottom line is you'll be stuck here aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh!!!

[FCKNG AIRTAXIMAN]

Hello guys, I had my interview a month ago, and I recived a mail that they are changing the recriutment process and now they recuires sim avaluations???:eek: any information is well recived.

[hongkongfooey]

Sad to say, 99% of above is true.
Don't bother trying to get stuff " crystal clear ", they tell you what you want to hear over the phone and then screw you on arrival. Thats after you've quit your job, moved o/s etc eg, too late :mad:
As Kabong said, if you have jet time, there are plenty of better options, if not, then maybe give it a go.

FCKNG, no word yet other than tech quiz and sim ride, could be ML, could be here, not sure who they think will pay for it ??? If they think applicants will pay, think they could be disappointed :{

As an added bonus, after 15 years of flying jets in airlines, its nice to be treated like a fricking student pilot by the " mighty " HKCAD.

[El Kabong]

Repeated warning!!!!!!! Just don't do it, nothing is as it seems at first. The pay is cr@p, the aircraft that were supposed to be coming aren't, there is no command upgrade programme, "cultural differences" between middle management and senior management are relied upon to provide convenient excuses for broken promises............do I really have to say any more?

You'd be better off working for Barnum and Bailey!!!!!!! Or go and fly a Brasilia for Skippers and earn more than you will here.

ENTER AT YOUR OWN PERIL:mad:DON'T SAY YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WARNED

[cpahka]

Wow....such hel l a'lines on earth! no CX, no KA...then only OAsis acceptable?

[beerboy]

Well, there are several things going for CX..and maybe KA, which the management at HKA may want to take on board.
Fact is, even with all the disharmony with the established carriers, the take home pay and benefits far outway HKA. So even if you're piss unhappy, at least you get some money. Over here you're poor and piss unhappy hahahahahaha

[bazbogan]

I wouldn't go as far as saying 'don't do it'. No matter what the company is like it is still a good opportunity for non jet rated guys. It's is all quite simple really...get your endorsement, some jet time and then move on if it's not for you.

[Fella]

Right on Bazbogan...how many guys worked the crap jobs etc to get ahead in GA. I don't agree with it, it is just the reality. Similar situation at HKA. If you're looking for some jet experience it is an opportunity to get that. I say if you want to improve your long term prospects, then a year or 2 at HKA will contribute to that. If you're looking for a career job that you can retire from...well not so flash.

Beerboy...didn't realise I would get you so hot under the collar with my last comment, wasn't my intention. I was merely pointing out that some of the boys at HKA may not like being grouped into "low time", that's all, sorry to have got you all excited:p

[beerboy]

Fella, the reason I got so worked up was that there was nothing in my previous post to suggest that my mention of low time had meant guys with thousands of hours gained by flying whatever they flew. It was you, who had decided that my idea of low time meant props hours were insignificant, not me. So to accuse me of demeaning the good pilots here would indeed get me hot under the collar as I have nothing but respect for our guys.
Now I reckon that it was a genuine misinterpretation of my post and I would have accepted your apology were it not for the fact that you still seem to think I'm offending a group of our chaps.
nuff said, back to the bar and who gives a ****.. low time, high time, jet time, non jet time, lets just get back to the original point of why one should or should not join HKA

[Allou dri]

I'm new in here got 3 thousand prop time, happy with an opportunity for coming few years to try to build up couple thousand more of latest jet hours.....cheers!

[beerboy]

Depends what people are after. Problem now is the amount of captains joining is remaining static, while the amount of FO's are increasing and right now theres no command course.
If you're a captain looking for lots more hours and only a little time off(as well as the relatively little reward compared with other local carriers) then this place is for you.
If you're an FO, and you're looking to accumulate hours quickly you have to consider some things. Firstly, overtime starts at 70 hours, so the company will roster someone else before letting you get over that number. Secondly, you may not even reach 70 because of the surplus amount of FO's. To some, 70 maybe a lot, to others not enough, its all a question of perspective. Just thought I had to add this extra information in case some guys are after hours quickly, at present its not happening.

[hongkongfooey]

Beerboy, you forgot to mention 5-6 months average time between joining and CTL.:\
An effo could be looking at as few as 2-300 hrs in his/her 1st year, about as useful as a screen door on a 737.

[beerboy]

Hongkongfooey..how right, totally forgot to mention that part, in fact, how the hell could I forget!

[Allou dri]

HK CAD exams are really wasting time for licence coversion, unbelievable!!

[FCKNG AIRTAXIMAN]

About When Hk Will Re Start Fo Recruitments?

[Flying Mechanic]

i heard the recruitment is on going, i know guys starting this month, oct and nov.

[Fair.Pilot]

Any idea what are the criteria for direct entry captain?

Thanks.....

[cpahka]

I heard that they are now slowing to offer direct captains and waiting the LS upgrade program to be approved by HK CAD!

[hongkongfooey]

Fair, what he ( cpahka ) said.
2 a/c delayed til next year, so cant see too many DECs required.
To answer your question tho, alot of 737 F/O time and or previous jet command on similar a/c.

[FCKNG AIRTAXIMAN]

true...nobody knows when rec. will start and they are thinking about how will be the new process, fckng shh...., and the worse part, they don't have any consideration for people how was already interviewd!!!:cool::*

[FrierTuck]

FCKNG AIRTAXIMAN,

If your spoken english is anything like your written you'll fit in fine!!:ugh:

[hongkongfooey]

They're all coming Glenn! Along with 2nd world T&Cs ( which would be a vast improvement ) Watch out CX :ugh::ugh::ugh: