Constant Peg MiGs

[Ewan Whosearmy]

I thought that the posters on this forum would be interested in some photographs of MiGs operated in secret by the USAF's 4477th TES during the late 1970s and much of the 1980s.

These images were declassified last week.

http://www.fjphotography.com/constantpeg/4477images/index.html

Now, when is the RAF going to tell us about its MiGs?

[brickhistory]

You mean the RR-powered ones? :ok:

[BEagle]

Also see http://www.afa.org/magazine/april2007/0407peg.asp

Now, about the 'Big Tamale' from Roswell.....and its occupants? :eek:

[XV277]

Now, when is the RAF going to tell us about its MiGs?

You mean the ones we captured at Suez ? :cool:

[TEEEJ]

Most of the Fishbeds pictured there are Chinese built examples (F-7/J-7). Some of those Fishbeds and the Floggers would have come from examples originally supplied to Egypt.

[RileyDove]

Or the Hind gunship brought out of Afgahanistan during the 1980's courtesy of the Army!

[West Coast]

Careful Brick, you risk be labeled again.


Someone tell me more about these RAF Migs.

[brickhistory]

Hopefully Ewan knows "I keed, I keed....."

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Of course I know you keed, Brick. :)

I was told just after the Cold War that Boscombe Down was home to a couple of non-flyable MiGs and the odd Sukhoi. I suspect it was was probably true, since the information was relayed to me by a senior ETPS test pilot.

[BEagle]

Well, in its latter days before the grunts took the place over, RAF Abindon saw a MiG 21 arrive! I believe it was being donated to the UK by its previous owners to celebrate the fall of the Wall.

The thing landed and then taxiied at a fair old clip round the taxiway - with the pilot waving enthusiastically to everyone.

I'd heard it was intended to fly again in civil hands - but the good old CAA decided it was 'too complex'?

[TEEEJ]

Ewan Whosearmy wrote:

I was told just after the Cold War that Boscombe Down was home to a couple of non-flyable MiGs and the odd Sukhoi. I suspect it was was probably true, since the information was relayed to me by a senior ETPS test pilot.

During the 1980s the Germans obtained two Egyptian Air Force Su-20 Fitter Cs. They also obtained a lot of East German Su-22s after the Berlin Wall came down.

I believe that at least one of the Su-20 Fitter Cs was borrowed from the Luftwaffe test establishment by the boys at Boscombe.

http://www.airventure.de/gatowpics/gatow_schmoll_05/Frei16.jpg

http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=98-61

[cornish-stormrider]

Just remember,

You must think in Russian!!:ok:

[TEEEJ]

BEagle,

That was a Czech Air Force MiG-21PF. It was flown over to be presented to the RAF Benevolent Fund.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=17882

There was an ex-Hungarian Air Force MiG-21 on the civil register during the 90s for a bit as G-BRAM. It never flew and was de-registered.

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/airshows99/jetheritage/mig21.htm

[Ewan Whosearmy]

TEEEJ

That tallies with what I was told in about 1992.

I was taking a tour of Boscombe and asked to see inside a hardened shelter. When I pointed the nearest one and said, 'that one will do', my guide hastily suggested an alternative. When asked why, he responded with a wink: 'Because there's a Sukhoi fighter stored in the shelter you just pointed to'.

[Contacttower]

I was told just after the Cold War that Boscombe Down was home to a couple of non-flyable MiGs and the odd Sukhoi. I suspect it was was probably true, since the information was relayed to me by a senior ETPS test pilot.

I seem to remmember, although I may be wrong, driving around the perimeter road having just had a AEF flight a few years ago and being certain that I had just seen a MiG-21 on the grass somewhere around the airfield. Pity you're not allowed cameras....

[TEEEJ]

Contactower wrote:

I seem to remmember, although I may be wrong, driving around the perimeter road having just had a AEF flight a few years ago and being certain that I had just seen a MiG-21 on the grass somewhere around the airfield. Pity you're not allowed cameras....


There is a MiG-21 at Boscombe in the museum. It does get moved out of HAS now and again. This Slovak MiG-21MF flew into the UK during 1994 and was presented to the RAF Benvolent Fund. Does it fit in with your time frame?

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1002118/

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/museums/boscombe/boscombe.htm

http://www.paulnann.com/Make.asp?Make=Mikoyan-Guryevich&Family=%20MiG-21&ImageRef=pn_w1972.jpg

[GeeRam]

I remember back in 1999, ex-USN pilot Doug Schultz was killed when the civvie owned/operated MiG-21 he was flying while under a Canadian Military contract broke up in the air off Vancouver Island.

[diginagain]

Or the Hind gunship brought out of Afgahanistan during the 1980's courtesy of the Army!

No we didn't!

[AR1]

I'm sure there was a MIG at St Athan - just off the old road to the 'FBI' (Now sadly defunct.)

[High_lander]

So nothing like THIS (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0289070/L/) Hind was in the US Army then?

Is this the same as the one in the 'Petting Zoo' at Nellis?

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Highlander

I don't think so. The one at the Petting Zoo is well and truly shagged.

It's well known that the Army has the Hinds and the AFSOC also operates the odd Mi and Antonov out of Hurlburt.

[Contacttower]

There is a MiG-21 at Boscombe in the museum. It does get moved out of HAS now and again. This Slovak MiG-21MF flew into the UK during 1994 and was presented to the RAF Benvolent Fund. Does it fit in with your time frame?



It was probably 2004/5 that I thought I saw it, your post may have just put this in my memory but I think I remember it being quite close a HAS and was with a few other period fighters as well. This would have been on the west side of the field, going along the road that leads to Porton.

[AR1]

Here - have a look at this.. Copy the xml below into notepad, save and then change the extension to .kml - click to run (requires google earth)

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<Folder><name>0</name><open>0</open>
<Placemark>
<name>mig</name>
<description>0 - xx 0</description>
<LookAt>
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<latitude>51.4132</latitude>
<range>2000</range>
<tilt>0</tilt>
<heading>0</heading>
</LookAt>
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"<Point><coordinates>-3.4403,51.4132</coordinates></Point>"
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[AR1]

Sort of answering my own question, but when I drove past- some time ago, I thought the tail looked 'MiG21ish' but looking down on it looks like a fencer, yet the intakes are prominant like a MiG ......Tornado! I wonder if its a Faux Fighter?

[BossEyed]

AR1, that's a fire training mockup, based on Tornado.

Contacttower, yes, that's where the BD museum lives.

[AR1]

BASED on a Tornado? Too much time on their hands. When I was a lad they'd just set fire to an old one, not design a new one!:)

[GullWing]

anybody out there know the story behind the Mig/Sukhoi airframes that have been stored at Hawarden (round the back of the main GA hangar) for a while?

Sorry i dont know the type but they looked bigger than a 21 and were instantly recognisable as russian fighters. They looked in a poor state of repair.

thanks all :)

[TEEEJ]

I believe that they were imported from one of the Baltic States during the early 1990s. IIRC it was Latvia.

Two of the Floggers are now in Newark Air Museum, Notts.

Link to pictures and forums in reference to the Hawarden airframes.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=61446

http://laasdata.com/fra/bica_ctry.php?c=RA&t=

http://laasdata.com/fra/bica_ctry.php?c=YL&t=

http://www.qccuk.co.uk/pfa/Red%2054.htm

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Mikoyan-Gurevich%20MiG-27&distinct_entry=true

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1065531/M

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5954523

http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?location=Hawarden%20-%20EGNR

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5954523&nseq=0

There is a Su-22 FITTER K (Former East German aircraft via the Luftwaffe) at RAF Scampton owned by Hawker Hunter Aviation. It flew into Scampton in 1999.

http://www.hunterteam.com/sukoi-22-M4_tech_specs.htm

One of the former East German FITTER Ks is at Spadeadam. I've heard rumours that this one was at Boscombe Down before ending up on the range.

http://192.5.30.122/rafspadeadam/visual.html

Privately owned in the US and bought direct from Kyrgyzstan in the 90's

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/kirksandall/miscphotos003.jpg

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.10/kirlin.html?pg=1&topic=kirlin&topic_set=

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.10/kirlin.html?pg=2&topic=kirlin&topic_set=

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.10/kirlin.html?pg=3&topic=kirlin&topic_set=

[Zoot horn rollo]

Back in August 1994 I saw a MIG-23/27 being towed from the black sheds on the southern side across the runway and put into one of the HAS. Presumably it was ex-East German but there was a tarp over most of the front fuselage and the tail.

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Previously unreleased video of CONSTANT PEG MiG-23BN and J-7B:

https://youtu.be/rFSNRmicF5A

[Prangster]

anybody out there know the story behind the Mig/Sukhoi airframes that have been stored at Hawarden (round the back of the main GA hangar) for a while?

Sorry i dont know the type but they looked bigger than a 21 and were instantly recognisable as russian fighters. They looked in a poor state of repair.

thanks all :)

There's certainly one in 617's hanger at Scampton or was in June when I was last there

[Fonsini]

Red Eagles is an interesting read, from memory one pilot tells the tale of how his favorite trick in an early model MiG 21 was to slow to 70 knots and then point his nose at the adversary, apparently the early versions with the “light” radar retained nose authority at that airspeed. Then there were the numerous F-14s who were beaten in low speed turning fights with a MiG 17, and the comments on the MiG 23 which centered around “Every time I strapped myself into this aircraft I reminded myself that it would try and kill me”, but that the aircraft had incredible acceleration.

I just wonder what they are playing with now - and when will we be looking at photos of Aurora.