Seatbelt buckles. Idiot passengers

[blue up]

Latest fashion craze in Ibiza clubscene is to wear seatbelts from the flight over as a belt to stop your trousers from coming down (Isn't that the point of clubbing in Ibiza? To get drop 'em and get shagged?)

We lost 2 on the last trip over. Got their names etc. Hope they get thier asses stuck in jail.

Keep a watchful eye!

[Tin Kicker]

Actually, while we're on the subject, can someone tell me why passengers are taught how to buckle and unbuckle seat belts on a flight? Is there really anyone who can't figure it out?

Just wondering...

[Pointer]

can you spell "l.i.a.b.i.l.i.t.y" ? :eek:

[ 17 December 2001: Message edited by: Pointer ]

[Tin Kicker]

And seat belts are the only thing pax can injure themselves with...? :D

[Max Angle]

Liability and the fact that you are required by law to demonstrate it are why it's done but never underestimate the ability of passengers to suprise you. The cabin crew on one of my flights found a woman trying to put her travel cot with baby still inside, in an overhead locker!. She was very angry when told that she had to get the baby out and put an extension seatbelt on it.

[Max Continuous]

Great idea! The lady was simply performing an act of astonishing (and all too rare) consideration for her fellow passengers and should be applauded for her initiative....

[foxmoth]

The best thing to do with these pax is to refuse them return passage because there is NO SEAT BELT FOR THEM.

[Brenoch]

As far as I know it has been popular for quite some time now.. We lost alot of seatbelts last summer on certain club-dense destinations..

[RatherBeFlying]

Well, I guess what you gotta do is hand out the seatbelts to the pax as they board and make them return them as they leave -- sorta like the headsets.

Then in the cabin briefing show them how to reattach them -- and use them to whack hijackers on the noggin. :D

[compressor stall]

I have flown passengers that after having been shown how to use the seatbelt, could not unbuckle it. :eek:

[The Guvnor]

Hmmmm! This could be a new money making idea for MO'L here ... he could give away tickets for free and charge each pax £50/€75 for the hire of the seatbelts! :D :D :D

[timmcat]

Can't say I've looked recently, but why /how are they so easily removed (short of using an implement which really should not be in the cabin)...?

[Greg Baddeley]

It has been going on for a while....I recall a news feature two or even three years back, where Braathens were losing two or three per flight; I was amazed to hear that it's still happening - thought that the fashion world had a much shorter turnover of new ideas! Surprising, too, that passengers can actually try it on...if you cut the belt material, you're soon going to be sussed, as as for whipping out a socket and wrench to unbolt them at the fixings :eek: :eek: :eek:

[The Guvnor]

Dead easy - there's a catch at the attachment points on the seat frame. Flip it up, and you disconnect the belt.

[Alien Shores]

As to why they are shown before flight, explained to me once as a/ a simple ANO pre-flight briefing requirement at first sight, but b/ most pax are used to the postion on the body and operation of a car seatbelt, and in a panic situation will likely revert to that; at least the briefing IF they pay any attention will highlight that there is a difference in operation and location.

[Sven Sixtoo]

Everyone has to do things for the first time once. On my first flight ever (age 4, BEA DC-3 Turnhouse to Dyce), my mother was completely foxed by the seatbelt. A nice lady did mine for me. I think mother tied a knot in hers. :eek:

[ 18 December 2001: Message edited by: Sven Sixtoo ]

[OldAg84]

I'm looking for something in a nice greenish-blue- which airline should I fly? ;)

[Rolling Stone]

Can you credit it? I thought it was bad enough when the "yachties" used to steal our life jackets from under the seat. What will it be next? I agree the airline should refuse the pax carriage back and tell them it is because there is no seat belt for them.

[Squawk 8888]

Seatbelt instruction in the paxbrief is nothing- I'm required by law to point out the exits on a C172!

[EI - E I - O]

While on the line I could never figure out where the ashtrays went, true, some are removed by the turnaround cleaners, who rather than empty out the ashtray, found it less time consuming to simply remove the ashtray from its socket and disguarg of the whole thing. Last year my wonder at the ashtray mystery was no more, I noticed, while on the beaches of Gran Canaria, that alot of people were bringng them with them and planting them in the sand, to use during their holidays!!

[MarkD]

Don't suppose anyone's ever bothered matching the missing belts to the previous flight pax seating? Let the bast@rds swim home for the return leg

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[lame]

The attachment of the seat belt halves is a catch 22 situation..... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

In this part of the World anyway, the halves were always secured to the seat frame with a split (or Cotter) pin, thus preventing easy removal by passengers. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

However, they were removed (the pins) to save time. <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> During a turnround if you had a lot of soiled belts, particualrly after a very rough flight, or maybe a lot of drunks <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> it would take too long for the cleaners to swap the belts, sometimes even causing a delay..... <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

[blue up]

Oops! Forgot to say that the little fuggers had a one-way ticket.
They had eased the strap out of the larger part of the clip (the female part? Yeah, if it is wider in the middle, it must be. Right?) But we were unable to slip the same parts off the child extension belts and slide the buckles back onto the main pax belts.

Now, If you are gonna start talking about JAR Maintenance Regulations and s*** like that......

[Obadiah]

You gotta wonder...don't you...!!!
These two pages of nonsense could only eminate from...guess where??

The worry is ...they're serious!!

[luddite]

Had this a couple of years ago in Luton, some Italian students made off with various bits of seat belts. The cabin crew hurtled into baggage reclaim and pointed out the offenders to customs who found said items in their bags.......and the Luton police didn't want to know!!! Having their return tickets invalidated doesn't somehow seem adequate.

[Few Cloudy]

Tin Kicker and others,

A SATA Caravelle crashed in the sea in the Canaries and lots of pax did not survive this surviveable crash because they could not unfasten their seatbelts. Some had raw fingers from trying to open the slide through type as an unlatch type.

Since then it has been law to demonstrate the procedure, even though almost all aircraft have the unlatch type of buckle. I have had passengers in my car who could not unfasten belts - fortunately not in emergency case.

One problem is that many airlines mention "releasing" the belts in the demo, whereas the evacuation order calls for "Unfastening" or "Undoing". May seem a small point (if all pax understand English) but could cause trouble in a court of law.

Gerry Lee Lewis had the best song about this.

[Roadtrip]

People that steal aircraft safety equipment should be charged with sabatoge. After a couple of people go to jail for a year, word will get out and it'll stop. Unfortunately, there are many many people in this world that respect only force and any attempt to reason with them is in vain.