UAL MECHANICS VOTE DOWN CONTRACT

[james707]

lOOKS LIKE THINGS ARE GOING TO TAKE A TURN FOR THE WORSE UAL MECHANICS VOTED DOWN THE NEW CONTRACT.. .Gone and forgotten Eastern, Pan Am, UAL !

[Donkey Duke]

Did they vote down the proposal and vote to strike? Sheesh. It's probably not a good time to have a strike right now. OOOOOhhhh SNAP!

Thanks. Donkey Duke <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

[Huck]

Please tell me this is a wind-up....

[Donkey Duke]

I can't find it anywhere on the net. Please give me a web address. Shanks!

Donkey Duke <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

[Airbubba]

Nothing so far here:

<a href="http://www.iam141m.org/ual.htm" target="_blank">http://www.iam141m.org/ual.htm</a>

[Donkey Duke]

Just wait one second. That rumor may not be true.. .The IAM website might have inadvertantly put something on the web site that wasn't necessarily. .true and retracted it. Here is what was on. .CBS. Marketwatch:. .Frank Larkin, a media spokesman for IAM, said: "What appeared on the site was one of two versions which had been prepared in anticipation of the final outcome. However, one of them was posted inadvertently."

. .Let's hope they don't do it.

Thanks. Donkey Duke <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

[411A]

Stupid is as stupid does....UAL will go into the tank if the guys walk out...might be time to end the drama.

[Airbubba]

Looks like it's official once more:

International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. . District Lodge 141-M

United Airlines Contract Updates

. .Machinists at United Airlines. .Reject Contract Offer

Washington, D.C., February 13, 2002 - By a wide margin, United Airlines mechanic and related employees voted yesterday to reject a contract offer by the carrier that included terms imposed by a Presidential Emergency Board.

"Our negotiators opposed the emergency board’s involvement," said Scotty Ford, District 141-M president and lead negotiator for the mechanics group. "Their proposals fell short of what we felt we could achieve in direct negotiations. The results of today’s vote shows our members agree."

The 13,000 mechanic and related employees, represented by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) have been in direct and federally mediated negotiations with United Airlines since December, 1999.

With nearly 90 percent of eligible members voting, 68 percent voted to reject the proposal. In separate voting, 86 percent of the membership authorized a strike at United if an enhanced agreement cannot be hammered out.

Tom Buffenbarger, International President of the Machinists Union, urged an immediate resumption of negotiations with United Airlines. "We will travel anywhere, and meet around the clock if necessary for the next six days to reach an agreement," said Buffenbarger. "My advice to Congress and the President remains the same: stay out of this and we will get it done."

"If we achieve significant improvements – and I suspect we will – we will schedule a vote of the membership by mid-March," said Robert Roach, Jr., IAM General Vice President of Transportation.

In separate negotiations, IAM District 141, representing 30,000 Ramp & Stores, Public Contact, Food Services and Security Officers continues to meet in mediated talks with United Airlines. Both IAM districts have been in negotiations with United Airlines since December 1999. All IAM contracts with United became amendable on July 12, 2000.

. .<a href="http://www.iam141m.org/ual.htm" target="_blank">http://www.iam141m.org/ual.htm</a>

[redtail]

Time for some real negotiations to be accomplished, since both sides have one week remaining to hide behind the RLA. Normal union stuff in the US.

[JMCPilit]

First the USAirways screw up. Then AA pass them out to become #1. Then the airline loses $2billion in a year. Thats $2,000,000,000,000.00!!. .Now the IAM say they want more than 23% pay raises! . .Before everyone stampedes to jump all over me here, let me say that I think that this is not a good time to be looking for the scheckles!!!. .Its like going to dad for pocket money after the wife left, the house was repossesed, the daughter got up the spout, the job let him go and his dog ran away.. .The IAM should look at history and Eastern Airlines. UAL are falling from grace and the unions should really consider their battles. I am not saying that they do not deserve a pay raise, I am sure they do. I am saying that there is a better time to bleed the scrawny calf!!!!!. .The IAM will be the masters of their own destiny... <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[climbthrust]

UK3

..I do belive $2 billion "only" is $2,000,000,000.00 and not $2,000,000,000,000.00

but it's still an awful lot of money.

[LBMF]

Lets remember who brought down many airlines, pilots & their wage demands. The UAL Mechs have had no pay rise for years, the one offered is to be taken back by the company because of hard times. How many pilots are giving back 30% to the company to help through these hard times?

[ 14 February 2002: Message edited by: LBMF ]</p>

[TowerDog]

LBMF:

Pilots and their wage demands brought down many airlines?

I have a bad memory, could you please refresh it as I don't recall any such airline.

[ironbutt57]

I sure hope the pilots are not stupid enough to honor the picket line ala eastern....shouldn't it be LBFM? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[Ignition Override]

LBMF: low salaries at Continental Airlines, People's Express and New York Air, merged into CO, were no cure for a tortured product which never recovered from "Frankie (Lorenzo) Smooth Talk" and his short-term goals for personal enrichment. Years ago at TWA, the pilots all ended up with a 40% pay cut, which lasted years-how would this have affected (FAE etc) computations during the last few years for your retirment pay after thirty years? Most of this was in order to support their airline, just to compensate for Carl Icahn's gouging of critical operating cash.

This does not include using his attorneys for a key goal: to steal part of the employees' pension funds. Icahn's demanded to exchange his ownership for a significant portion of TWA's wholesale ticket stock [=cashflow], with all profits into Icahn's (group's) pockets: NONE of those ticket profits went to the airline.

This doesn't begin to describe employee givebacks at numerous other airlines, nor Lorenzo's crippling of numerous airlines: whether he was majority owner or not is no justification for such bloodthirsty greed.

Are US pilots on this website really so ignorant of US airline events since deregulation, or just pretending not to be aware of news in "Aviation Week", etc? Neither the "Wall Street Journal", "Business Week", or "Fortune" magazine can pretend not to be anti-labor in their articles. I still am amazed at the Republican party's collaboration which put no limits on big business' access to retirment funds, which allowed so much airline butchery to take place, and likely with the help of many so-called "Southern Democrats".

Airline history can't be re-written (as with computers) while it is still stored on printed paper.

As for the UAL IAM: I doubt that the members really want a strike, which would now be very foolish.

[ 18 February 2002: Message edited by: Ignition Override ]</p>

[redtail]

<a href="http://the-mechanic.com/mainbb.html" target="_blank">http://the-mechanic.com/mainbb.html</a> has the pulse on what is going on, and why.

One of the posters there put this up:

A conversation overheard between a Mech and a flight crew:

fc- So what do you guys think you are doing by voting no on the pebr?

Mech- We don't care anymore, weld the doors shut. I checked it out and I can make $25.00 an hour (almost the top wage for a UAL mechanic) fixing busses tomorrow.

"Don't know how much the drivers make though!!!"

[Ignition Override]

It is tempting to ask employees (with other unions) for their opinions during tense contract negotiations, but we were told that this is a very touchy, delicate subject to bring up at work. It could easily lead to awkward misunderstandings and embarassing problems in front of our passengers: they often hear flight attendants bitching about their jobs, and do not enjoy hearing it.

That is quite common at this company, and with a mgmt which takes forever to settle contracts, morale is almost always sinking somewhere around this airline-this has very often contributed to Wall Street's lack of confidence in our stock price.

A lady at a car repair shop here told me about her BOS-MEM flight and how many negative comments about mgmt which she overheard from the crew on their gray leather jumpseat, while the lady and her daughter were in first class.