African (disa)Star back on again?

[The Guvnor]

Found this over on Barnstormers ... anyone know anything about their latest effort - or how their CEO, Ben (or Joe) Kirama (or Kilama) is faring in his VAT fraud trial? Who is Joe Rosen, anyway?

TWO A340-200/-300 / ONE A310-300 DRY/WETLEASE • REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY!! We
are interested in long term leasing on behalf of our Principal in South Africa for Two A340-200/-300/ and One
A310-300 on short term ACMI and later long term A.M.I basis.Initially the operation will be between South
Africa and Europe and expanded to USA and the Far East.Interested parties please submit immediately the
offer/proposal with specications including training and technical support package. Contact Joe Rosen, Vice
President - STARWELT AIRWAYS GROUP located Rosebank, Joannesburg GAUTENG SOUTH AFRICA.
Telephone: + 27 82 8313112. Fax: + 27 11 447 4536. -- Posted 15 October 2000 --

or this time round, are they just planning on going after the SA perishable flights CPT/WDH-VIT? Sounds fishy to me! :) :)

B747-200F REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY • CHARTER REQUIRED!! We are interested in long term
charter or ACMI to operate worldwide cargo contracts.Interested parties are requested to send the
Offer/Proposal with specifications of the aircraft. Contact Joe Rosen, Vice President - STARWELT
AIRWAYS GROUP located Rosebank, Joannesburg GAUTENG SOUTH AFRICA. Telephone: + 27 82
8313112. Fax: + 27 11 447 4536. -- Posted 8 October 2000 --

or is it simply a case that - yet again - they don't have the foggiest idea what they are doing? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

B767-300ER LONG TERM LEASE • REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY!! We require long term lease
urgently to Airline from 01 November2000 Wet lease and then Dry Lease including Pilots Training &
Maintenance Support. Contact Joe Rosen, Vice President - STARWELT AIRWAYS GROUP located
Rosebank, Joannesburg GAUTENG SOUTH AFRICA. Telephone: + 27 82 8313112. Fax: + 27 11 447 4536.
-- Posted 8 October 2000 --

B747-300/400 OR A340-200/300 REQUIRED • URGENTLY REQUIRED!! We require urgently
for long term lease to Airline B747-300/400 or A340-200/300 from 01 November2000 for Wet Lease and
then Dry Lease including Pilots Training and Maintenance Support. Contact Joe Rosen, Vice President -
STARWELT AIRWAYS GROUP located Rosebank, Joannesburg GAUTENG SOUTH AFRICA. Telephone: +
27 82 8313112. Fax: + 27 11 447 4536. -- Posted 8 October 2000
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:) Happiness is a warm L1011 :)


[This message has been edited by The Guvnor (edited 31 October 2000).]

[The Unteleported Man]

Don't laugh....

I heard (about a year ago) that their 'business plan' was to truck fish to FAPB and fly 'em over to Europe. Something about cheaper landing fees!

[Boss Raptor]

Well the comment 'Oh no not again' is all the interest and enthusiasm I can muster for these guys...

Many other 'bad' emotions still seem to fester at the back of my mind...Hmm..wonder why!

[Who?]

Oh dear, the old double standard comes out again Guvnor.
With one breath it´s "trust me I´m starting an airline", and with another it´s "these guys can´t be believed".

[The Guvnor]

Not at all, Who? - there's a major difference between someone who has as many different names as changes of clothes - and no viable business plan - and my operation. We know exactly what aircraft is best for the job, and that's what we're sticking with. African DisaStar's approach seems to be if it's got wings, we'll take it - here you can clearly see thay are considering the A310, A340, B747-200F, B747-300/400 and the B767-300ER.

Someone needs to point out to them that there's absolutely no similarity at all between these types! :) :rolleyes:

When someone is genuinely putting together a business plan, they draw up the plan first based on available passenger figures; then - and only then - choose the best aircraft for the job. No point going for a 747 when your average payloads will only be 150 pax! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Where's all his money coming from, anyway? He surely didn't manag to scam that much from the Receiver of Revenue?

I wonder how much it cost SQ to paint up the 747-300 - and if this time he's getting another 'chief pilot' that has no experience on type?

He's going around saying that he has a Burundi AOC - well, I can tell you categorically that there are two Burundian AOCs in existence. Air Burundi and City Connexion Airlines; neither of which belong to Starwelt!

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:) Happiness is a warm L1011 :)

[XpressOne]

I posted this on News/Rumours but perhaps this is best forum ?


Okay the latest plan calls for London/Manchester/Munich with yet another GSA appointed in UK - how many times can the same carrier reinvent it's self and how can the backers have faith after so many false dawns ?
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/content.nsf/NewsLookUp/5725F6205436CD16802569CF005CDAEE

Mr Kirama seems to have a real knack of convincing people that they have "an exclusive deal"

Any one out there really think this is going to happen

[fourpaddles]

i was just wondering if you saw any mention of celtic airways "..over there at barnstorming"?

...happiness is a warm wet dream L1011..."

[almirante6]

Sounds like they may come knocking on your door asking for a TriStar or two, eh Guv?

Then again, maybe not.......