need info about Ari Ben Aviator...and ProPilot

[adam75]

Hello boys I m a man from Italy I m now choosing a flight school with J-1 visa so that I wil be able to finish all the flight training and then work as instructor to build flight time.
I m now choosing between two school: fist is phonixeast www.pea.com (http://www.pea.com/) where I have been last summer ( I have some friends over there) and I could see that after you finish the program you actually work as instructor. Second is Ari Ben Aviator with his ProPilot program which sounds good for multi engine time but I have never been here and I would like to find some people that are attending this course. And find out more( ok no flight school is perfect I now) but to know if you work after you finish the course is very important..:rolleyes:
I hope some body will help me thank you so much:ok::ok:

Andrea

[adam75]

nobody can help me...??

[Frank Furillo]

Hi Mate, Try these for a start:

http://http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=145906&highlight=aribenaviator

http://http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227149&highlight=aribenaviator

Hope this helps
FF

[giertom1]

Hi.
I was also thinking to go to USA to do "Zero to ATPL" cousre. I wish to stay and work in Europe. What is wrorg with PEA? I spoke to few pople and they called that school "crap house full of money" :suspect: , it is strange because they have good prices, shiny broshures and nice office people. Friend of mine told me also that most prices in USA schools have hidden charges (Paid up front):= etc. :( He did PPL:* and he decided to do the rest of the course in UK.

Anyway if you finish your course and want to go back to Europe you will have to pay your conversion.

At the end I decided to stay in UK ( I`m not british citizen:)) and study here.

Is you choice, but for me those few opinions I`ve heard was enough not to go to States.
Wish you all the best, and see you one day in the sky. :)
Good luck Tom

[adam75]

yes I know but the point is that if you go to U.S you can build up a lot of flight hours that you can not do it in Europe..I really don t know what to do..:ugh:
guys the links that you gave me about Aviator are dead link..can you give me some alive?
thank you all.:ok:

[NH2390]

Avoid this school like the plague. Haggard airplanes, poor maintenance, deceptive pricing and decieptful management. Their program includes a bunch of hours which can't be logged under JAA rules.

There are some great schools in the US and in Florida. This school is simply an example of the very worst.

[BlueRobin]

Their website now states at
http://www.flyaviator.com/100hr.html

P-1 TIME
JAA RULES
If you want all P-1 time add $20.00 per hr. For more information please call 1-772-466-4822

So they have acknowledged the issue.

Even if you thought an extra $20 addition sounds too low and went for the full-rate at 200 bucks per hour, that's not bad for MEIR time.

[Ste88]

Hi guys...


so what do u think about fly aviator and this JAA programm http://www.flyaviator.com/jaapro.html ????


help me 'cause it's very difficult to choose a very good school in the USA!



What about Skymates!?

[7E7Flyer]

Just do a search about Ari Ben Aviator in this forum, there's been a lot of info about them. Have a look at my post at
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285940

Here's the U.S. forum with quite a bit of info.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/ari-ben-aviator-inc/

If you intend to live and work in Europe, you're probably better off doing all your training at a European school, preferably a 'preselected' or 'mentored' integrated scheme with an airline. Yes I know that's disgustingly expensive but it might save you paying for a rating once you apply. As opposed to the U.S., piston and multi-engine piston hours don't really help you in Europe. What counts here is multicrew airline experience, so it's really all about getting that first break with the airlines as soon as you can.

By the way, going the FAA route then converting is going to cost you about the same as doing it all modular in Europe. But you'll get the FAA tickets as well, they don't expire which is a plus.

Edit: The course on http://www.flyaviator.com/jaapro.html is basically the one of European Flight Training (flyeft.com), their affiliated JAA school. Be aware that those $49k do NOT include the JAA instrument rating, that conversion adds at least $10k to the bill, so just be aware of that. Same for the MCC course which you need in order to apply to most JAA airlines, budget at least $4500 I'd say.

[eikido]

Don't forget that you need to add ATPL theory.
Also, what hours can't you add to JAA loggbook?

Eikido

[BigGrecian]

Remember that in reality the $20 extra bucks means nothing.

Just because they put you left hand seat of a Duchess doesn't mean you can log it differently.

In JAA only one person in the Duchess can log PIC. End of story.

[Farrell]

BigGrecian

I am highly skeptical about this $20 offer.
In reality, yes it does mean nothing, but for the benefit of the wannabes on here, can you explain in detail why this is the case?

And then, would you care to offer an explanation as to why Mike Cohen at Ariben is offering this facility?

If there is no benefit in it for a JAA pilot, then why would he offer it?
200 hours of multi-time at $20 more is an extra $4,000 - for nothing?

Would you think that might be bordering on the unscrupulous?
I'd be interested in hearing your take on it - especially around whether or not you would advise students to take this over the EFT multi option.

I.e.: same plane, same building - what is the difference?
I think the majority of European students going there to train and looking to come back here on a JAA ticket will find the answers quite enlightening.

You being a JAA Instructor - they can hear it from the horse's mouth.

(Congrats on your news by the way! Chuffed for you, mate!)