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Jay_solo
22nd Jul 2007, 10:12
With Just a CPL/ME or SE (no IR or Instructor rating), what entry level jobs can you do, or are available in the industry? :confused:

captain_rossco
22nd Jul 2007, 11:24
Hand j*** and Blow j***, and not a great deal else. Few threads on this.

:ok:

portsharbourflyer
22nd Jul 2007, 14:52
Banner Towing, Aerial Photography, there is the occasional place that does Scenic Flights for tourists which can be flown on a CPL only.

However these type of jobs are quite rare but are around if you look.

Glider towing and para dropping are also options, those these are often done on (not always) a voluntary basis.

NatFlyingCat
22nd Jul 2007, 15:03
I am looking for a pilot job in South Africa some where.I have only CPL/Ir and i need to build hours.Canm any body help....

betterfromabove
23rd Jul 2007, 20:15
Here's a question...if you were a PPL & took along a professional photographer friend who shot away...

...& then you sold the photos, splitting the proceeds, would this be legal or not....?

Out of curiosity.

fullrich
23rd Jul 2007, 21:07
If the photographer owned the plane and employed you as 'an assistant' and payed you a salary then you would be fine. Other than that what your saying is illegal.

Re-Heat
23rd Jul 2007, 21:25
Neither of the above two posts are strictly legal.

ANO:

Public transport and aerial work - general rules
157 (1) Subject to the provisions of this article and articles 158 to 163, aerial work means any
purpose (other than public transport) for which an aircraft is flown if valuable
consideration is given or promised in respect of the flight or the purpose of the flight.
(2) If the only such valuable consideration consists of remuneration for the services of
the pilot the flight shall be deemed to be a private flight for the purposes of Part 3 of
this Order.
(3) Subject to the provisions of this article and articles 158 to 163, an aircraft in flight shall
for the purposes of this Order be deemed to fly for the purposes of public transport:
(a) if valuable consideration is given or promised for the carriage of passengers or
cargo in the aircraft on that flight;
(b) if any passengers or cargo are carried gratuitously in the aircraft on that flight by
an air transport undertaking, not being persons in the employment of the
undertaking (including, in the case of a body corporate, its directors and, in the
case of the CAA, the members of the CAA), persons with the authority of the
30 March 2007
CAP 393 Air Navigation: The Order and the Regulations
Section 1 Part 14 Page 30
CAA either making any inspection or witnessing any training, practice or test for
the purposes of this Order, or cargo intended to be used by any such passengers
as aforesaid, or by the undertaking; or
(c) for the purposes of Part 3 of this Order (other than articles 19(2) and 20(2)), if
valuable consideration is given or promised for the primary purpose of conferring
on a particular person the right to fly the aircraft on that flight (not being a singleseat
aircraft of which the maximum weight authorised does not exceed 910 kg)
otherwise than under a hire-purchase or conditional sale agreement.
(4) Notwithstanding that an aircraft may be flying for the purpose of public transport by
reason of paragraph (3)(c), it shall not be deemed to be flying for the purpose of the
public transport of passengers unless valuable consideration is given for the carriage
of those passengers.
(5) A glider shall not be deemed to fly for the purpose of public transport for the purposes
of Part 3 of this Order by virtue of paragraph (3)(c) if the valuable consideration given
or promised for the primary purpose of conferring on a particular person the right to
fly the glider on that flight is given or promised by a member of a flying club and the
glider is owned or operated by that flying club.
(6) Notwithstanding the giving or promising of valuable consideration specified in
paragraph (3)(c) in respect of the flight or the purpose of the flight it shall:
(a) subject to sub-paragraph (b), for all purposes other than Part 3 of this Order; and
(b) for the purposes of articles 19(2) and 20(2);
be deemed to be a private flight.
(7) Where under a transaction effected by or on behalf of a member of an association of
persons on the one hand and the association of persons or any member thereof on
the other hand, a person is carried in, or is given the right to fly, an aircraft in such
circumstances that valuable consideration would be given or promised if the
transaction were effected otherwise than aforesaid, valuable consideration shall, for
the purposes of this Order, be deemed to have been given or promised,
notwithstanding any rule of law as to such transactions.
(8) For the purposes of:
(a) paragraph (3)(a), there shall be disregarded any valuable consideration given or
promised in respect of a flight or the purpose of a flight by one company to
another company which is:
(i) its holding company;
(ii) its subsidiary; or
(iii) another subsidiary of the same holding company;
(b) this article “holding company” and “subsidiary” have the meanings respectively
specified in Section 736 of the Companies Act 1985

lovezzin
25th Jul 2007, 05:40
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ Captain Rossco! Man...im lovin you! (in a friendly context ofcourse)