Any Aussies in EY ?

[RFN]

G'day,

I wish to contact any Aussies in EY re:

Quality of life in AUH for an expat family on EY money?

Accommodation. Where are the best areas to either rent or buy?
Best expat schools for primary/secondary years?
General impressions of the company now and in the future (I know, crystal ball stuff…)!
Rosters/lifestyle i.e. B777 Vs Airbus?

And generally any other useful information that a potential “expat” needs to know to help in his decision making.

And yes, I have read a lot of the EY/EK threads.

Please PM me.

Rgds

RFN

[Bangkok Layover]

EY is planning to go for recruitment in Australia soon (as per web site).
I so much hope no Aussies will be recruited....Trouble! Attitude Trouble!! Drugs Trouble!!!:= :rolleyes: :ugh: :oh: :*

[RFN]

Really...

What a waste of bandwidth!

[Trashed Aviator]

But if they recruit for Australian bases then thats a whole new ball game.

[RFN]

You can always count on an Aussie, thanks mates.

However, let’s get back to the request of this thread, and that was for information regarding EY and living in AUH.

Anybody that hasn’t got the necessary info, start your own thread and call it “why I’m a wan*er” which can be edited by Bangkok Layover & and his sidekick inverter

[alghazal]

Sorry for these poor narrow minded answers....

Actually, EY is getting worse and worse if you're a DEC or still average as a F/O.

As a captain, your pay has been cut last salary revision.

For all fellow cockpit crews LHS and RHS, hardly any leave in summer, flying between 90 to 110 hours july and august. 7 days on ( back in the morning leaving same night ) 2 OFF days then the same. Of course to lovely destinations such as KRT, LHE, COK , TRV , DEL, ISB, KHI , PEW , etc....

Whatever your nationality can be , it's hard... hard... hard.....

You can hardly have 4 off days in a row to go back and SYD are always full with no crew seat available.....
Starting BNE in september 4 times a week via SIN, so that would be a nice commuting flight for douwnunder guys, but still, all crew will request these flights as they are the only rewarding ones moneywise and sleepwise....

Don't expect any help from crewing, they go first in their minds, neither from your management, european or Oz.
Ey is managed my a huge mid-class subcontinent bunch of incompetent accountants, HR, white collars with brand new tie and new shiny case , whom lifeaim is to make your life more and more difficult.

Money is even not anymore an issue. Salary has always been 25% less than aviation standards, but at least life was quite easy and time to command quite low. Now, salary is even worse, and living conditions have fallen into the deepest s++thole ever.

No more freetime, crewcontrol taking your phoneline as a jukebox , useless management busy with our airport carpark free cards or with the new Audi roadshow...... as we stall engines or loose hydraulic systems on a regular basis, safety aboard is totally inconsistant, training is postponned UFN, low experienced F/O are brought in as nobody with a decent widebody experience from a civilized country wants to join anymore.
You have to be on a constant watch, but with no sleep in your bags for the last 6 days.
Something will happen soon, better not to be on board.

Talking about Roadshow, your OZmate JH did 2 roadshows for the pilots, and only 7 of them showed up, and even these guys had their tiny questions unanswered. Nobody cares anymore of what B+++++++t can be said . We all know that it's a lie only to keep any pilot where he is.

Crew controllers have to crew 7/8 flights a day, that couldn't be crewed before by accepting dirty deals, leaving more flights open later in the month, cancelling simulators, ground courses etc.....

Crew planing is a joke, not only due to the people up there, but to the shortage and the poor financial interest of coming in the sand pit.

No right except the one of keeping your mouth shut as injustice is obvious, safety is involved every day and the local "authorities" managed by our employers......

Good recipe for murder isn't it... Patience, it's coming

Hope it gave a good insight, but of course it's a partial one, you will find happy people around here. The guys coming from third world countries national airlines , paid peanuts before, and now upgraded to roasted nuts salary.... Most of them will be happy. They save in their donkey currency , don't live, and will tell you EY is heaven.
No racism, no offense, just a cruel fact.
Maybe they are right, but most of the european, northamericans, and guys from downunder won't agree on this one.

Take care and fly safe

[Sir Osis of the river]

RFN,

I cant say totally ignore most of this thread, but be circumspect about some of the info posted and by whom it is posted.

Speak to your Aussie mates, get as much info as you can and then make up your own, unbiased mind.

G'day

[cantilever]

alghazal......sorry but thats your personal tainted view....if it really is that bad why do you stay?

Many of us came from first world, large carriers and were not paid peanuts so please speak for yourself and dont use such sweeping statements.

It would probably be in your best interests if you went back to your first world airline with your first class salary, .....do us all a favour!:mad:

[RFN]

Alghazal & Sir Osis thanks for your input.

I'm hoping to get a look at the EY ops and AUH in the next couple of months, so ALL information regarding the subject matter is appreciated, either for or against...

RFN

[west of 30w]

The only thing I dont understand is that there are so many jobs around worldwide, particually for Airbus drivers, why dont more people leave? Sure one or two do, but from which airline dont pilots leave?
The salary seems ok to me, and I am not from a third world country, I would be happier with a stronger dollar, but what to do.

[alghazal]

Right !!

3000USD more would do it to cover for the weakness of the currency....

and overtime

and pension fund

and stable roster

and respect

and a better medical

and proper leave management

and proper flight request system

and flight safety

and real non punitive cullture

and proper maintenance

and utitlity bills paid

and decent hotels on layover

and improved training

and so much

[west of 30w]

So the question remains, why stay mate?

Wht not spend your time applying for other jobs instead? I just dont get it, we are lucky there are options for us right now.

[Keith Discovering]

Hasn't "Old Bubba, old pal, old chum...you're fired" improved things for you since his inception? :hmm:

[Sir Osis of the river]

Hey Al,

Dont forget to get your logbook signed before you leave.

Masalama

[Home In The Sky]

Will try to answer your questions without being put in front of the firing squad.
Quality of Life for family - good but leaves a thumping big hole in your back pocket. Unless your kids are couch potatoes who stay home watching dvds and play station all day, a club membership$$$ is a good idea.
Accommodation - if you go out on your own for accommodation, you will be paying out of your own pocket. Company accommodation is an apartment which will have you in town or close to it, or a villa in the middle of bloody nowhere - miles from anything that your kids are likely to want to do - unless quadbiking is their thing. Their is the rent to buy scheme, but have not looked at it seriously as don't plan to be here long enough to make it work.
Schooling - The British School best for Brit education, but unless you have a Brit passport, forget it! A new school just opening in competition to BSAK no Brit passport required. Other two top schools are American Community and Al Raha School, school allowance does not come close too.
Company Now and Future - I keep on asking my crystal ball the same question, but it clouds over. If you have the patience of a saint, it may come right, but at present I doubt it. I often ponder how I could have been so stupid as to believe the fairy tale that was painted at the interview. And I know, if you don't like it leave! With critical years in schooling at the present, moving now would disadvantage my kids. I was the fool, not them!
Rosters/Lifestyle - rostering practises here leave a lot to be desired and the fact that GCAA allow this to continue is of concern. Annual leave is impossible to get so don't be surprised if you work for 12 months straight without a break with your family.
The perfect job doesn't exist, but I am sure there are better than this out there.

[alghazal]

This last post is quite the best I've read there. I'm far too angry to be able to write something like this :)

Anyway, for those who want us to leave instead of complaining

1 They need us there. No expat No Airline so behave accordingly when you deal with expats and if you don't know how to, hire the right people who know.

2 Why leave without trying to improve what can be. We are not all giving up.

[alghazal]

Hi Mr 35E

As many of us, we used to fly for flag carriers or charters , but in even in charter airlines, disorganization, lack of proficiency, amateurism , fear management and lies were never brought to such an art !!

The 3 , alomost 4 years of operation are not even an excuse . Hire the correct people at the right job, pay them accordingly and they will do the job, not the puppets we do have now, who hold hardly any kind of experience except their failures and/or mistakes in EY.....

Third world airline it is, third world airline it will stay

Now, why not leave ?, well giving up and cowardise are not the solution. Face the situation and do our best to make it improve.

Criticism is well known for its vertues in wertern world , and not for an offense nor an insult, as it is there. Nobody can tell the truth without being fired, how good is it ??

We all came here with hopes, which are vanishing at various rythm, according to personal grounds, situations etc...

EY remains the most expensive low cost carrier of the Middle East. We are not carrying any flag, except the one of our shame.

This being said, it is and stays a very good place to get a command and to leave soon without training bond, as soon as you get the requirements and get the chance to have an interview in an airline with decent wages.

Abu Dhabi remains a nice place to live, except in July and August but do you want to live in Manchester in winter ? No way !! It's relatively safe, getting a bit more expensive than it used to be but still within our range.
Accomodation used to be huge problem , it's now a bit easier, and it would be much easier if they put the right people at the right job again. Talk to all the guys dealing with a certain lady in Accomodation dept........

As you said, there is no perfect place, but at least when you work your a## off, you get something back in your wallet. Mine remains empty, desperately empty after 105 hours a month.......

[JonBoy80]

Hopefully this answers your question re "Are there any Aussies in EY".

[RFN]

Thanks for your inputs, however subjective they are. As somebody else posted, “tell me an airline that hasn’t got its problems”!

Indeed, why do you stay? Surely now with your experience other airlines would be beating at your door…

Looking at the base rates of pay, per flying hour & meal allowance allowances etc, I must admit I find it hard to believe that you have nothing left at the end of the month. Quote “Mine remains empty, desperately empty after 105 hours a month.......”

I appreciate some people have ex-wives to fund, but is AUH that expensive a place to live in? Do you personally have to “top” up so much extra to live there decently? EY pay rates, although not the highest, are certainly not the lowest I’ve seen advertised!

JonBoy80: Not yet?



RFN

[Home In The Sky]

Ghazal, I was in awe of my eloquence to. :8 Must have something to do with that bottle of red and that empty wine glass on the desk afterwards. :ok:

[gccpro]

There are two types of Aussies at EY, management and those jailed in Bahrain.

Any other takers?

[JonBoy80]

Are there Aussies working for EY?. Yes. Are they liked? No. Why? Come to the UAE and you will see it with your own eyes.

Oh and by the way, that is not a rumor. Its fact.

[GoreTex]

same goes for EK, couple of great ozzies but thanks to freddy k. and some others they are not so popular.

[Sir Osis of the river]

JB80,

Have worked with the Aussies here. NO PROBLEMS. Damn sight easier to get on with than some of the others. At least they speak english and know how to comunicate!

But then You are obviously not English first language.....

[JonBoy80]

You are right, English is not my first language, however what does that have to do with Aussies in EY?.

[Bangkok Layover]

hehehehehehhe....it a huge laugh!


All what they (Aussies) think is,if u speak English it is all ok.......see how their dumb heads work?


well,at least we have learnt to speak another language...a 2nd language!
what do they speak???....just boring slang Australian ONLY!...not proper ENGLISH!


Stay where u belong!....you are not welcome in this region!

On the other hand,Kiwis are a great bunch of people.nice,polite and down to earth......not bull$hitters!

[RFN]

Now I know your on something..!

[Home In The Sky]

You have obviously never met that idiot in HR who hails from NZ. Complete ditherer.

[Bangkok Layover]

That Idiot is any day better than the Idiots come from next door!:D

[noflare]

The greatest whingers and moaners in aviation!:p

Cracks me up everytime I hear the term whinging Pom!

[Gnadenburg]

Bangkok Layover -All what they (Aussies) think is,if u speak English it is all ok.......see how their dumb heads work?

What developing nation are you from BL?

[Bangkok Layover]

What developing nation are you from BL?
from a Brain / Head / Mind Developed nation!


Certainly NOT from Developing or "will never Develop" Australia! :D :ugh:

[gccpro]

Gnadneburg,
Hell! If you were not a winging pom or aspiring to be one for the "simple" way of life, you wouldn't ask.
Your two line post is one of those confirming your mindset instead of tying your fingers around your pubic hairs just so you could benefit of some doubt.
Need I say more?
After what is going in Gulf Air now, I would strongly recommend ozzies make a quick way home, before someone else helps you. It has proven difficult to rid them of the habits that justified their emigration down under two centuries back.

[Gnadenburg]

Bangkok Layover

Don't be a coward. Where are you from?

I would like to be given the opportunity to vilify and pigeon hole a complete nation in retort.

I assumed you are from a developing nation because of your moniker and your admission of exposing yourself to HIV risk ( I had to look at your previous posts to find a source of your hatred ).

It's a big problem in developing nations and can I reiterate a safe sex message- please wear protection when on a Bangkok Layover!

[Gnadenburg]

After what is going in Gulf Air now, I would strongly recommend ozzies make a quick way home, before someone else helps you. It has proven difficult to rid them of the habits that justified their emigration down under two centuries back.

Are you seriously suggesting Australian pilots leave the Gulf because a poisoned chalice of an airline is in swansong? And Australians are responsible for Gulf Air's failings?

You have been in the Gulf too long. Thinking like an Arab. No accountability and aportion blame entirely on expatriates.

Like most problems in the MidEast- if you go back far enough Gulf Air's ills are probably due the English!

Pretty low yields for English pilots in the Gulf now. Are you blokes funding a trailor park retirement?

[Mustapha Rex]

Gnaddenburg,

Slavery was abolished nearly 2 centuries ago, independance was gained over thirty. It is disappointing to read how your mindset is so poor it can't even control your mouth.

You have what is commonly called foot in mouth disease, it's usually associated with cows but known to affect humans from the developped world like you who have nothing else to think about apart from how to screw nationalities other than westerners.

The likes of you, make the bad impression of how expats think, behave and talk, and I would not like to count you amongst my circle of friends most of whom are westerners.

I have a few suggestion for you, regardless of whether gccpro is right or wrong.

Leave!

Bye!

[Bangkok Layover]

Gnadenburg,

hehehehehe....I was at risk,when I was exposed to a dumb Aussie down in MEL...yes I do wear a condom,thanks but no thanks for your advise!

HIV/Adis risk in Developing world?? Hear!! Hear!! :D.....Clean Aussies talking!!:mad:

Hatred?? Lol, why do the rest of the world hate u??? look in the mirror or better yet a self confession!??

Dont just read all my posts.read all the posts about Australians.listen to others here and what they have to say about you!

stay at 35,000ft when in the plane,but have your feet firmly on the ground when dealing with the world.you are by no means any greater to any human!

Accept it ! Deal with it!

you guys suck ! in big buckets!

By the way I am not from any of the countries u may think I am from nor am I an Ex convict!:ugh:

[Shagtastic]

Bangkok Layover,

When was the last time you got laid (without paying for it)??

You sound like you're in need of some serious stress relief..

Shags

[Eddie_699]

Hiya Every one out there

I'm an Arab and I work for EY

I Find Aussies wicked to work with ..ohhh sorry I meant great to work with. ( FOR NON ENGLISH NATIVE) I'm not native any way ..

and Bangkok Layover.. stop slaging on Aussies. I've been in EY more 3 years and worked with loads of Aussies and I find them just grand to work with. I don't understant what's your problem.

Every where in the world you are going to find some good and bad.

Maybe some idiots here and there, But who cares you find idiots every where.

Last SHOUT: Any Aussie .. welcome to EY.. Don't worry about this BKK Layover a.k.a BKK ****** Layover.....


Cheers Lads...

Eddie

[RFN]

Good onya Eddie.

[donpizmeov]

RFN
I guess you noticed that most of the interesting comments were not from those at EY, but were from the QR cabin crew types of the local brand.
It would seem that guys in EY are working quite hard at the moment. Management there, and terms and conditions seem pretty close to the rest of the Gulfs airlines. There is another thread somewhere here where the EY bunch were discussing Accom and house ownership etc....well worth a search and look.

Found this and thought it would help Bangers and team understand what was going on, but see that their posts have been removed.

Once upon a time in the kingdom of heaven, God went missing for
6 days. Eventually, Michael the archangel found him, resting on the seventh
day. He inquired of God, "Where have you been?"

God sighed, a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly
pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look Michael, look what I have
made." Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said "What is it?"

"It's a Planet!" replied god, "and I have put LIFE on it,
I am going to call it Earth, and it's going to be a place of great balance"
"Balance?" inquired Michael still confused.

God explained, pointing to different parts of the Earth.

"For example, Northern Europe will be a place of great
opportunity and wealth while Southern Europe is going to be poor. The
Middle East over there will be a hot spot. Over there I have placed a
continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people"
God Continued, pointing to different countries. "And over there, I call
this place America.

North America will be rich and powerful and cold, while South
America will be poor and hot and friendly. Can you see the Balance?

"Yes" said the Archangel, impressed by God's work. Then he
pointed to a large land mass and asked, "What's that one?"

"Ah" said God. "That's Australia, the most glorious place
on Earth. There are beautiful mountains, rainforests, rivers, streams and an
exquisite coastline. The people are good looking, intelligent and humorous,
and they're going to be found traveling the world. They'll be extremely
sociable, hard working and high achieving, and they will be known throughout
the world as diplomats and carriers of peace. I am also going to give them
super-human, undefeatable cricket, rugby, tennis, swimming and golf players
who will be admired and feared by all who comes across them.

Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then exclaimed
"But you said there would be BALANCE!"

God replied wisely "wait until you see the ugly, whinging,
sheep rooting kiwi b@stards I am putting next to them!"

No doubt this has been seen before in different guise.:E

Don

[JonBoy80]

Was G-d an Aussie pilot by any chance?

[RFN]

Love your work!