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1279shp
8th Jul 2007, 23:31
And wants either 73's or 'Buses only.
This from this mornings Australian paper.

QANTAS is set to become the world's biggest airline operator of Boeing 787 Dreamliners and a major player in shaping the future of aviation after ordering as many as 40 more planes with a pre-discount market value of up to $US8 billion ($9.3 billion).

The additional aircraft take the airline's firm orders to 65 - second only to aircraft lessor International Lease Finance Company's order for 74 - with options to buy 20 more and purchase rights on another 30.

But even as Boeing prepared to unveil its first completed 787 today, to a television audience of 100 million, Qantas ramped up pressure on the US manufacturer to commit to a new version of the Dreamliner that can replace its fleet of jumbo jets.

The move is a signal that the Flying Kangaroo intends to be a force in shaping the future of aviation, with huge aircraft orders that prompt manufacturers to negotiate big discounts and give the airline a significant say in defining new planes.

Executives also revealed they were considering longer-term plans to rationalise the carrier's narrow-body fleet of Boeing 737s and Airbus A320s to a single aircraft type in a move that could see a giant order for as many as 200 new aircraft with a market value of more than $US16 billion.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon threw down the gauntlet on a new 787 in Seattle on Saturday. He told Boeing officials and aviation reporters that Qantas wanted a bigger version of the 787, a 787-10, capable of carrying 350 passengers and a full freight load non-stop to the US as well as between Asian hubs and the furthest points in Europe.

He also issued a blunt warning to the US plane maker that Qantas could defect to archrival Airbus and buy its new A350-1000 if Boeing failed to deliver a proposal soon.

He said he had been at Airbus's headquarters in Toulouse, France, the previous week looking at mock-ups of the A350 and they had been "very impressive".

"Obviously, the A350 is of great interest to us if there isn't a (787)-10," he said. "And even if there is a 10, we'll pick the best aircraft."
Qantas has bought two versions of the 787 and will use the first, a 250-seat 787-8 due to be delivered to the airline at a rate of roughly one a month from next July, to drive Jetstar's expansion in Asia and to southern European cities such as Athens or Rome.
The second, a longer-range 787-9 capable of carrying up to 290 passengers, will start arriving in 2011 and is capable of flying non-stop to the US.

Qantas was instrumental in driving the development of the 787-9. The planes will eventually join the double-decker Airbus A380 superjumbo to become a mainstay of the group's wide-body fleet, flying international and domestic routes for both Qantas and Jetstar. This is likely to ultimately include supplying planes for the Qantas group's South-East Asian joint ventures, such as Jetstar Asia and Pacific Airlines.
Boeing officials have said they expect to build a 787-10 but Qantas is worried it might not have the range it wants.
Some industry observers believe Boeing is reluctant to build an aircraft that would compete against some versions of its popular twin-engine 777. Singapore Airlines has already opted for the A350 as a 777 replacement and Mr Dixon does not see another 777 variant as an option because of its older technology.

He said Boeing would need to give Qantas an answer by next year. "What we don't want to do is to find out that the delay on the decision between the 10 or the A350 leaves my successor less options than I would like," he said.

"(The decision) has got to be made pretty soon and that's why it's going to be pretty aggressive out there."
The 787 represents a watershed in aviation design. More than 50 per cent of it, including the hull and the wings, is made of carbon composite material.
It is expected to offer new levels of passenger comfort as well as burn up to 25 per cent less fuel than the ageing Boeing 767s it is intended to replace, and 20 per cent below newer aircraft.
Qantas bought its original 787s at bargain-basement prices well below the official list prices of up to $US167 million for the 787-8, and as much as $US200 million for the 787-9, and Mr Dixon said the new planes would have similar pricing.

The 787 has been the most successful aircraft launch in history and demand for the plane is so high that an airline ordering now will not get its aircraft until 2013. Mr Dixon rejected suggestions the airline could sell on some of its 787 production slots to other airlines, citing the competitive advantage the 787's technology and early arrival gave Qantas. "This is absolutely a technology-breaking aircraft and we have no intention of giving our slots away," Mr Dixon said.

3 Holer
9th Jul 2007, 01:33
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon threw down the gauntlet on a new 787 in Seattle on Saturday. He told Boeing officials and aviation reporters that Qantas wanted a bigger version of the 787, a 787-10, capable of carrying 350 passengers and a full freight load non-stop to the US as well as between Asian hubs and the furthest points in Europe.
He also issued a blunt warning to the US plane maker that Qantas could defect to archrival Airbus and buy its new A350-1000 if Boeing failed to deliver a proposal soon.

I'll bet that had Boeing shaking in their boots Geoff.:rolleyes:
Maybe you should have read this (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=72276) before pushing your misconceived weight around. Reads like classic "little man" syndrome to me. :E

Sonny Hammond
9th Jul 2007, 15:45
That should really say QANTAS Group will be the biggest operator of 787's.

We all know what that means.......:D

Allan Partridge
9th Jul 2007, 20:14
ANA President & CEO Addresses the World at 787 Roll Out

Tokyo, Japan, July 9, 2007 - (JCN Newswire) - In a lavish ceremony at Boeing's factory in Everett, near Seattle, Washington State, the 787 Dreamliner was unveiled to the world for the very first time. The ceremony took place at 15:30 in front of 15,000 assembled guests, and was simultaneously broadcast to 50,000 Boeing employees at a different site in Seattle, and by satellite around the world in ten languages.

ANA (All Nippon Airways) of Japan launched the 787 programme with Boeing on April 26, 2004, with an order for 787s - 30 787-3 derivatives and 20 787-8s - the largest launch order in the history of the aircraft maker. Since that time, 677 orders have been placed by 47 airlines - prior to anyone even seeing it.

The rolled out aircraft was in Boeing livery and included the ANA logo.

1279shp
9th Jul 2007, 22:52
QANTAS is adding a fourth class to some of its planes a premium economy seat that will offer a cheaper alternative to business class.
The airline confirmed over the weekend that it would join airlines such as British Airways, Virgin Atlantic and Air New Zealand in offering premium economy when its new double-decker Airbus A380 superjumbo is introduced next year.

Qantas also expects to introduce premium economy on other aircraft, chief executive Geoff Dixon told The Australian in Seattle for the launch of the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

While Mr Dixon was tight-lipped about details, he revealed that seats for the new cabin would be designed by the man behind the airline's business class sleeper seat, Australian Marc Newson. "It is going to be a very good seat," he said.

Other airlines have seen a strong response to the introduction of premium economy, which is priced higher than a full economy fare but is significantly cheaper than business class. It typically offers increased leg room as well as better food, wine and other amenities.

Qantas is also expected to upgrade its economy, business and first-class offerings for the introduction of the new A380.

chemical alli
9th Jul 2007, 23:48
great lets just put in another config.when will the pr idiots learn multiple fleets and multiple configs = multiple dollars outlayed not recouped.they force the j*model on everyone because its low cost and part of that low cost is one config and interchangeability of aircraft.q may have the orders for the 787 but we all know j*here they come.will we see a 787 in qf livery ?

duck another flying pig

Johhny Utah
9th Jul 2007, 23:52
Rumour from a management type (i.e take it with a pinch of salt!) is that the first three rows in economy will be replaced by the old business class seats (on the 744 at least) which will be labelled as 'premium economy' (name TBA).

It seems like a good start, but as per usual, is more a case of playing catch up than being innovative. Bonus time all round for our brilliant execs!

regitaekilthgiwt
11th Jul 2007, 00:13
Did anyone notice this?:

"What we don't want to do is to find out that the delay on the decision between the 10 or the A350 leaves my successor less options than I would like," Dixon said.


Does that actually mean he is thinking about buggering off?

We can only live in hope.

FOG

Keg
11th Jul 2007, 00:57
Mid '09 isn't it? I'm sure there was something about this in the wake of the APA failure.

QFinsider
11th Jul 2007, 01:00
one can but hope....

mind you unless the rest of those liars go with him we will get more of the same...........

DutchRoll
11th Jul 2007, 03:13
......Qantas ramped up pressure on the US manufacturer
......He also issued a blunt warning to the US plane maker
......Qantas was instrumental in driving the development of the 787-9.
......He said Boeing would need to give Qantas an answer by next year.

He sure knows how to write cheques on himself, doesn't he? Boeing are big. Boeing are effectively backed by the US Government in many respects. Boeing will do what's commercially good for Boeing, and it has always been that way!

I can just picture it:
"Dammit! Secretary, call that lazy good-for-nothing Boeing CEO and get 'im into my office! NOW!"

"Um, he told you to sod-off Mr Dixon, sir!"

mrpaxing
11th Jul 2007, 04:10
will be around the middle of 09 (as mentioned by one of his loyals). as for the b*lls**t that GD is putting pressure on boeing what to build,its always funny what rubish the so called industry experts write in the papers.
premuim economy, its long overdue. and yes it looks like the are going to put the old bucket seats in teh front of y/c. as mentioned tsake out a few rows and add with laptop power supply, etc. otherr airlines with the product have found it very profitable.;)

The Mr Fixit
11th Jul 2007, 12:25
Biggest buyer of 787s pffffffffft

AWAs for pilots and engineers to be controlled by Jetstar

Non Union personnel only

No engineer preflt and less than 100,000, Permanent 1st officers and captains on less than 150,000 and 5 cabin crew and 50,000.

The future is dark and has a funny smell, that of deceit time to band together people.

Steve get a hold of Michael and Ian and bang some heads together :ok:

CrushedPassenger
16th Jul 2007, 14:26
The mad rush by airlines to secure 787's is more to do with the impending demise of the US currency than the performance of a plane that's yet to fly.

bustard
19th Jul 2007, 14:57
Where is anyone going to find enough wide-body international qualified pilots who'll work for $A150K in this boyant market?

A few examples of 777 contracts available right now:

Air India: US12K per month + US50K completion bonus/commuting contract,

KAL: US10.6 per mth+++, commuting contract, no type endorsement required anymore,

Jet Airways, Etihad, Emirates, Asiana etc. the list goes on.

bob55
19th Jul 2007, 23:55
The 787-10 is just about capable of operating DRW - LHR direct. I wonder if this would be prefered to operating through SIN?

call button
19th Jul 2007, 23:55
The mad rush by airlines to secure 787's is more to do with the impending demise of the US currency than the performance of a plane that's yet to fly.

I'm no economist, but wouldn't the demise of the $US make it cheaper to buy a 787. ie more $US for each $A.

Ex QF
20th Jul 2007, 03:24
Virgin Atlantic ad sums this (and no doubt many other things) up very well.
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/index.asp?nav=2&id=67085
They lag behind and Dixon blames ?