just finished B1 training

[boshank]

hey all, thought i'd introduce myself.

i'm paul and i have just finished my B1 training (well nearly) i need to get some on job training and i have 2 modules outstanding.

i was hopeing to get in touch with someone here who knows of a job where i can get my log stamped up and still get paid?

i am kinda tied to the bristol area due to having a pregnant wife but i can get to LHR, birmingham, exeter and cardiff. if you know of anything going please get in touch

thanks
paul.

[config-2]

Hi,
Congratulations on passing the modules. Have you applied to flybe in Exeter? They are looking for mechanics and would also be able to assist with the remaining two modules that you need to complete.
http://www.flybe.com/vacancies/engineering.htm
Best of luck. :ok:

[BAe146s make me cry]

First off, well done!

Try here instead::

BAMC, PO BOX 747, Cardiff International Airport, Cardiff, CF62 3YA.

Ask for H.R. Dept ... 01446 747100 ...

Give BAe146s and Q400s a miss if you can:eek:

BAe146??? :{:{

[boshank]

thanks guys, i have aplied to flybe and i gave BAMC a call and they are not looking to take anyone on at the moment, something going on there i heard through the grape vine, a merger or something with a training facility??? real shame as that would have been ideal.

fingers crossed that flybe will come through, i know its 146's but i just need to get some experiance really.

i had done a bit of work for VA contracting with a company before i left for college, so i am considering giving them a call, don't think they do the heavy base stuff i need for my log book.

[mrmagooo]

Nothing wrong with 146's as far as an engineer is concerned if you dont mind things being awkward. They need plenty of looking after, hence plenty of hours and money in your pocket!!!

[captain kid]

Could try Eastern, on the Jetstream 41`s, also have Saab`s:

Eastern Airways
Schiphol House
Humberside Airport
Kirmington
DN39 6YH

www.easternairways.com

[boshank]

humberside is too far to travel for me, like i said i am kinda fixed to the bristol area as my wife is 6 months pregnant, also means i don't wanna be too far away when she goes into labour.

i just wanna know why none of the companies seem to be interested in employing guys like me? feels like i have been through 3 years of being skint for nothing.

[captain kid]

Have you tried applying to GA companies? Maybe worth a try just to get your foot in the door. Would London be too far to travel across the M4? There is plenty of GA at Luton. CSE at Oxford. Citation i think has a base at Oxford also. Citation at Bournemouth. Not sure if any maintenance isc arried out at Filton??

[boshank]

GA is the next port of call for me i think, i sent my CV to MK at filton but they only take on people 2-3 times a year, i will give them a call next week and see if they are on the lookout.

i tried a company that charter aircraft and have a team of engineers, they only employ guys to do day to day stuff not shed maint.

not heard anything from flybe so they are gonna get a call next week too. luton is a proper trek, LHR would be doable at a push i guess.

i know i'm not leaving much room for options here but i really can't be far away from the MRS, its our first and she it pooping herself (i am too but dont tell her)

[reely]

hey there....i have sillly question for you...

can de-icing be done when the engines are turned on? or is it appropriate when done with engines turned off?

am just confused about this...

thought u might knw...

expect you reply!!

cheerz!

[joepatroni]

De icing with the engines on sounds like a very dangerous thing to do. A/c normally have to be completely shut down. What made you want to know that?. Please don't tell me that you did it and are now feeling guilty!!
Just think of the practicalities of it!
People manouvering around operating engines goes against all normal convention my friend, unless you are performing specific manintenance.

[ericferret]

Try SRT at Bristol.

[Riccardo]

I can think of two airports that DEFINATELY de ice with engines running - Milan MXP and OSLO. They both operated a kind of 'drive through' de icing area.

No problems at all.

As for FLYBE being 'only 146's'????......and EMB's....and ATR's.......and dash 8's.........

[spannersatcx]

CDG used to but I think we stopped using it when someone (pilot) taxied into it! I think MUC used to as well.

At JFK they have a hangar/building where you taxi in and it has infrared or such like lights in the ceiling and it melts all the ice/snow. Mind you never saw anyone use it.

hosser they are fixed structures, the idea being with short holdover times you could taxy through then lineup and go.

[boshank]

So has anyone got any contacts of people i may be able to ring to find out about work experience????

[om15]

Boshank,
Please give me a PM with a mini CV, I might be able to help out, or talk to Keith Stansfield at Bristol College who arranges OJT. we are Bournemouth based if thats any good,
Best regards,
om15

[boshank]

he is useless. everybody from my year has had to source there own OJT. we finished college 2 1/2 months ago and we havent got the time or the money to wait for keith to sort it out for us. He asked us at christmas to put our prefrences forward and to my knowledge he has not arranged anything for anyone.

also smudgethecat, why should i have worked my ass of for 3 years at college to take a fitters job? if i had wanted a fitters job i would have 1 by now!

[Litebulbs]

Coz maybe you have got to learn to be a fitter first!

[boshank]

ok let me rephrase what i said, if i was given a job as a fitter whats the likelyhood of an employer giving me the jobs i need to get my log stamped up so i can send away for my full licence?

if i was to employ someone as a fitter, thats what i would want.....a fitter. i have 3 years to get all the experiance i need before my modules start to drop off and i have to re-sit them.

what i am after is someone who will allow me to do the jobs i require to get my licence, if that means being tied to a contract for 5 years i don't mind, afterall thats why i went to college.

i don't mean to sound like an asshole but its been pretty crappy over these last 3 years. it was 100% my choice to go to college but i was at least hopeing that my college would sort out OJT like they said they would and that there may be a job at the end of it.

[BobTheRocker]

Boshank, think you are looking at the wrong jobs. The only way you will gain the relevant experience is to take a position as a fitter/mechanic/technician whatever you like to call them. You would not expect a pilot who has passed his groundschool to immediately start flying commercial jets without any flying experience. Having the academic qualifications means nothing unless you have the practical ability to back it up. With an attitude like yours towards "fitters" its no wonder you cant get a job. If you are lucky enough to find an airline who will take you on without any sort of apprenticeship or practical experience and pay you at the same time then you have done very well. There are airlines that do that, try writing letters to some of the big ones at Heathrow I know for a fact that a couple of them take people with little or no experience on. Above all else show respect to the position of "fitter" which you so obviously think your well above. Some of the most knowledgable guys in the industry I've come across are unlicensed...

[boshank]

you have the wrong end of the stick mate, when i say my experiance is limited i mean i did interiors for 4 years before i went back to college, i mean no disrespect to fitters they are the backbone of the industry. what i was saying is how come companies won't take people on like me? i have some knowlege of the industry and have finished the academic training to be a B1 engineer, its frustrating to say the least!

i'm not expecting to get the job of a licences engineer, just a job where a company would be willing to complete the rest of my training with me.

[Litebulbs]

Coz you are a risk. You might be 5hite! A company might invest in you, to have you scoot off, but the primary reason is that you sound like trouble.

Now that may all seem harsh and to be fair, it probably is, but, as someone who does not know you, the alarm bells are ringing already.

The industry does not owe you anything, so calm down and temper the attitude. This is not a sales industry where positive ambition and drive gets you to the top. It is working with people who have been seen as grease monkey's for their whole career, albeit highly qualified grease monkey's (and I'm a greenie!), who generally bond together and respect each other, regardless of which licence they hold. You appear to have learn't your trade at college, but the vast majority of industry have learn't there's through apprenticeships either with the forces or commercially.

I have got more than 20 years in but I am still learning.

Calm down. There are jobs out there, but don't frighten people off before you have had a chance to show what you can do.

[B257]

Coz you are a risk. You might be 5hite! A company might invest in you, to have you scoot off, but the primary reason is that you sound like trouble.
I would agree totally!! If you enter a job with that attitude you wont last long.
My experience of guys who have gone the college route is good and bad.Some guys come out with a couple of exams done and dont know there arse from there elbow when it comes to working on an a/c.
Boshank you would want to change your attitude if you wish to progress in the industry.Best of luck anyways
P.S
Righty tighty lefty .... :ok::ok:

[boshank]

i think you guys really did get the wrong end of the stick, i wasn't trying to give attitude or anything like that. its just frustrating, the college i went to painted a very pretty picture of what would happen when we finished our training. OJT, job offers etc etc.

[NutLoose]

They would, they make their money off courses......... Just stick with it, if it means doing a fitters job for 6 months to get type experience do it, I myself worked my way from coming out of the RAF as an Engine trade to Engines Airframes ( Self Studied and taught) to getting my licences ( did 4 exams in one go) Engines, Airframes, Engine type and Airframe type all in one go.......... boy that was hard, was suggested I do 5 licences in one but was on melt down........... But I worked at it after I got my basic licence and types

I now on my EASA Licence which last count has about 250 ish plus types actually on my Licence and all the Piston Engines you can think of.......... on top of that......... Additionally I also hold a CAA Licence with whats left on that.......... and Ihold C cert as well as being a CAA Nomintated Engineer too........... none of which came straight off......... be patient Padawan it will come to you..... it just takes time, but you have the grounding and basis to go forth and multiply........

Remember as said above, as I did, work with those in the Hangar, that may not be licenced........... they tend to be the ones with the knowledge and will help you, treat them with respect as you would expect and they will do the same...... I did and can vouch for it...... it works..


For what its worth join a company as a fitter with them knowing you are a licenced aircraft engineer wanting to progress is a good move........... they can get to know you, see you in the flesh and see you are keen, your chances of moving up are increased 10 fold, they know you, and see you, they realise you are willing to drop a peg to get to your ultimate goal with them.......... that is worth more to them than any fancy CV