Falcon 900 & 50EX dimensions

[matspart3]

I need wing span/length/height for these types, following a request for hangarage....Our Jane's is hopelessly out of date and I couldn't think of a UK operator to phone today
Wheelbase and turning circle might be handy too!

[fokkerjet]

Falcon 900EX
Wingspan = 63ft5in (19.33m)
Length = 66ft4in (20.21m)
Height = 24ft9in (7.55m)
Falcon 900A/B
Turning with -
Steering disconnected = 33.2ft (10.13m)
Steering connected = 47.7ft (14.547m)

Wheelbase centerlines -
Width = 14ft7in (4.44m)
Length = 25ft11in (7.90m)

Sorry. I didn't fly the Falcon 50.




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[matspart3]

Thanks! It fits!
How would you feel about landing on these distances though? 09/27 1061/1027m especially if it's wet/wet/wet

[fokkerjet]

We used 4000ft (1219m) as minimum runway length for our operation when we flew the Falcon 900's. At the lengths your asking about, I'd do it dry only. The Falcon has great brakes but that thrust reverser is only there for noise. I figured you can land at 12 tons if you add on the 1.67 multiplier, or a little over 16 tons is you want to do the maximum effort.

[Mike Echo]

Just to complete with the Falcon 50/50EX
Data from the MM

Wingspan: 61ft 11 in (18.858 m)
Tail Height: 22 ft 11 in (6.975m)
Length: 60ft 9 in (18.518m)

Turning Radius
Nose Torque Link Disconnected 37.6ft (11.2m)
Nose Link Connected 44.29ft (13.5m)

If height is limited beware the fin mounted SatCom which adds a bit to the height.

No UK registered 50's (yet) but there are several around.

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[Flight Safety]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you'd be hard pressed to operate either a 900 or a 50 out of that airfield. Assuming SL ISA days, there's not quite enough runway for the 50, even at light fuel loads. The 900 could operate from there with ranges limited to 2000sm or less, but only during SL ISA days.

Only 3 of the Citation jets could operate from that field with certain (though fairly minor) restrictions, the Bravo, the CJ2, and the CJ1. None of the other Citations could really operate from that airfield. The Encore would be severely restricted, and the Ten couldn't operate there at all.

BTW, all of this is based on dry runways only.

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Safe flying to you...

[con-pilot]

Just a note on the 900 height, add a foot if the sat-com antenna is on the vertical fin.

[matspart3]

Mike Echo
Thanks for those figures...that one fits too!
Presumably you'd want a 4000' landing distance too?

Flight Safety
The distances I gave were LDA and slightly innaccurate at that (Rwy 09 is 1161). Due to large threshold displacements, the TODA figures are better 09/27 1461/1311. Subsequently we occaisionally see FA50's, Challenger, F900 & Gulfstream 2,3 & 4. Couple of homebased C501's,C550's, a C560 and a BAe 125-800. Launched a Gulfstream 2 a few weeks ago (from South Western UK) direct to Bangor...made full use of the available tarmac but didn't impress the neighbours!

Con-pilot
Duly noted thanks! That could save some embarrasment!

[AMEX]

Hi matspart3 ! Wonder if I am not based where you are. Did I see u briefly at McDonalds yesterday ??

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If you can't save the engine...save the airframe :D

[matspart3]

Moi?
Est votre avion plein des aguilles?
peut-etre!!!
A bientot

[Flight Safety]

Matspart3, thank you, that makes a big difference.

[AMEX]

Yeah, there is definitely something fishy about "mon avion". :) :)

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If you can't save the engine...save the airframe :D

[Mike Echo]

Hi Matspart3
Just for info
I can't answer specific performance questions, I'm just a Support Engineer, however, two Falcon 50's operate regularly out of London City which I understand is about 1199m, and a steep approach. They are not on the UK register, (The 50 was never UK certified) and operate private category. Also they generally operate around Europe so range would not be an issue.As far as I know any wet weather and they divert. Your 50EX should be OK in the dry and private.
The F900EX (UK registered)based at Oxford operates from the 1200m runway without problem, dry and private.
I don't think, and I could be wrong, that either could meet Public Transport factoring for wet weather.
If you want a F50EX performance brochure, which,I don't pretend to understand,send me an e-mail with a mailing address.
MIKE ECHO

[Flight Safety]

Here's a Balanced Field Length vs Range chart for the 50EX:

http://www.falconjet.com/images/top/50EX.gif

Here's the same chart for the 900C:

http://www.falconjet.com/images/top/900c.gif

Here's the same chart for the 900EX:

http://www.falconjet.com/images/top/900EX_balfield.gif


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Safe flying to you...

[flugpants]

Is that EGBJ by any chance?

[matspart3]

Yes!
Gloucestershire Airport is always pleased to see biz jets...even on our little runway......comments/criticism etc. always appreciated.

[Mach Tuck]

Falcon 900B performance:

BFL 1471m - mtowt around 45,000lbs (dry), around 44,500lbs (wet).

BFL 1311m - mtowt around 42,500lbs (dry), around 42,000lbs (wet).

LDA 1161m - mldgwt around 27,000lbs (APS wt around 26,000lbs!).

Of course it will land perfectly well in much shorter distances but be prepared to answer to your boss, his insurer and the Authorities if you get it wrong. Neither the Performance Manual not the Law distinguish between Private and Public Transport category operations.

MT

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[agroflyer]

You are mentioning the Runway surface but what about high temperature ops like 30°C At SL.

Thank and Flight safety, I could not read your charts.

Cheers