Reports of military jet down in Anglesey

[G-CPTN]

Awaiting further details.

Edited to add 'at an airfield' is being suggested.

Fingers crossed for the safety of the crew.

[airborne_artist]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6575793.stm

Last Updated: Friday, 20 April 2007, 11:39 GMT 12:39 UK

A jet from RAF Valley on Anglesey has crashed at an airfield on the island, it has been confirmed.

It is understood that the pilot ejected safely during the incident at the Mona airfield involving an RAF Hawk aircraft.

North Wales Police were informed about the incident at 1225 BST on Friday.

Four fire engines and three other vehicles have been deployed to the scene by North Wales Fire and Rescue service.

[WPH]

Some detail from BBC here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6575793.stm).


aa beat me to it!

[droid3]

MOD News pages:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/PilotEjectsFromRafHawkTrainingJet.htm

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

So a student has pranged a hawk. Whoops.

Carry on.

WWW

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Mind you if its Jim WooWards student then its no wonder, Jim could never land properly...

That was banter by the way.

Cough.

(Don's coat hastily)

[G-CPTN]

The pilot has not been recovered at this stage.
Heard an interview with an eye witness who stated that the bang seat was 'in that tree over there'.
Later reports (confirmed by BBC Website above) suggest that it was the pilot who landed in the tree, then was found lying on the ground. Hope that he isn't seriously hurt and will soon be back in the mess shooting the breeze and collecting drinks.
He was flown to hospital in Bangor where a spokesman said his injuries were not thought to be serious.

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Shemy, some people eject more times, it depends on any injuries sustained in each case.

As an aside, it is true that you can only eject from any given aircraft once.

Advo

[MostlyHarmless]

No limit as long as you're healthy. TBH, if you've been got twice you should take the hint anyway...

[engineer(retard)]

MH but the aircraft are a bugger to fix after the first time.

regards

retard

[Union Jack]

No limit as long as you're healthy. TBH, if you've been got twice you should take the hint anyway...

Come in, Spon Clayton!

Jack

[Jobza Guddun]

Speedy recovery. :ok:

[Ivor Fynn]

God Bless Martin Baker:D :D :D

Ivor

[ORAC]

As an aside, it is true that you can only eject from any given aircraft once. But only because they wouldn't let Wedge have a second trip.....

[threepointonefour]

Jack: No limit as long as you're healthy. TBH, if you've been got twice you should take the hint anyway...

Come in, Spon Clayton!

Are you accusing Spon of being 'healthy'? Ten pints of Black Sheep says otherwise!

[Carrots de Chaud]

Flapless circuit gets my vote.

I just heard on News 24 (:E ) he is OK and is no doubt in the bar right now telling tales of daring do. Thank goodness.:ok:

[FFP]

Ah, the old flapless.

Tightening crosswind, overbank and pull . . . . . . . ;)

It's a QFI's dream (at 10,000 amsl ;) )

[Green Flash]

Advo

"As an aside, it is true that you can only eject from any given aircraft once" ,


..... unless you work at Chalgrove!

[Chairborne 09.00hrs]

Only if you're a dummy, Green!

[ORAC]

Which takes us back to Wedge... :E

[Green Flash]

Well, yes, you have a point, but ..... oh, can't be @rrsed to argue. You know what I mean. Beer calls. (As a matter of interest I wonder who has the all time bang seat record? I know the Bangworthy brothers held the RAF record, or is I talking out of my orifice again?)

[Maple 01]

Orac you're a very naughty man! I hear Mr P is a senior chap and much respected within the branch these days :rolleyes:

[Chris Kebab]

..........it is quite funny tho'
Wedge I mean!

[will fly for food 06]

hope the student is ok, was only talking this week that valley was due for another crash. spooky.

[False Capture]

will fly for food 06,
Did you also 'see' this Saturday's winning lottery numbers?

[will fly for food 06]

123456:) should work:uhoh:

[The Adjutant]

I was occupying a GE slot at 11 Gp when Wedge decided to depart from his a/c. The vitreol from the Air corridor went on for a long time. It then got worse when Wedge decided to publish his story in the C&R Bulletin (I don't think he was paid for it though)

Wedge. Def. The most primitive tool known to mankind.
Quite apt rearly.

I was amazed to find him a senior person in an HQ not far from me. Still, I supposed all the others PVR'ed so I don't suppose the FC branch had much choice.

Mind you, all that happened over 20 years ago now, so we should cut the guy some slack.....maybe not.

[High_Expect]

I guess the student concerned should be thankful he wasn’t at Valley when the bang seat sabotage was happening…. Oh yeah, it was hushed up. My mistake. :oh:

Hope the guys ok though. Anyone know if it was an RAF student? fiver says its not.

[ATCO17]

Interestingly, the same airframe took the barrier at Mona last October, after the engine failed to spool up during a touch and go....

[PPRuNeUser0211]

ATCO, seem to remember it wasnt the engine failing to spool up, it was the loud BANG BANG BANG as it did so that was the primary cause of barrier spearing....

High_expect, I'll take your fiver mate, was a RAF stude m'lud... I'll take your fiver and lay it on being a finals turn stall > ejection though!

[artyhug]

Now follow me through Bloggs.

So as you can see, speeds good, attitudes good but ooh look at that rate of descent......

So what are you going to do if you feel buffet on finals Bloggs?

God make it stop, why can't I forget those wasted years of patter..........

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Was trying to explain to a mate what might have happened... and basically boiled it down to "doing something you've been told under no circumstances to do because if you do you will crash... and just in case you should by accident do it, make sure you do this other thing otherwise you REALLY will crash..."

[BluntM8]

The jungle drums are suggesting 2 theories. Either a surge with the gear travelling or an uncommanded roll left. The aircraft was seen to be rolling left as the ejection happened but there was a suggestion that's because it wasn't in trim (!). I'm told that the other guy in the sircuit was looking the wrong way to see anything to help.

If he's reading this, the chap who ejected, hope your feeling better and can get back to the Rugby soon mate!

BluntM8

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Well here's hoping it was a surge! Uncommanded roll comes hand in hand with fully configured stall in the hawk though.... not unknown to flick roll it when doing them at altitude and end up unpleasantly upside down with full flap and gear!

[Lafyar Cokov]

Don't you just love it when the uninformed grab the story and twist it to meet thier own political means.........................


http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_headline=calls-for-low-flying-ban-after-raf-crash%26method=full%26objectid=18938239%26siteid=50082-name_page.html

Pull the RAF out of Wales and lets see them squealing about lack of government investment I say!!!

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Aside from that link being full of the most utter drivel I've ever read from Farmer Giles who needs to wind his neck in, check out the MOD spokesman:

"An MoD spokesman said training sorties across Wales would not be suspended in the short term.

"Generally the Hawks aren't necessarily involved in low flying. They're about getting pilots from our more elementary training into a jet aircraft.""

Don't remember doing any low flying at valley... whatsover..

Credibility of spokesperson... Nil....

[Blacksheep]

Don't remember doing any low flying at valley... whatsover..
Bit tricky, that landing at altitude business. :rolleyes:

Regarding aeroplanes only being fit for ejecting their occupants once: I know a chap who banged out of the back seat of a Red Sparrers Gnat. He was a bit embarrassed to find the aircraft safely parked outside the office - complete with a big hole in the canopy - when he got back.

[jonesthepilot]

Not true that you can 'only eject from a given aircraft once'.There was a Bucc in the late 70's I seem to remember where the nav got overly concerned about the close proximity of the water(only ankle deep in the back cockpit!) and opted for a Martin Baker letdown. The Bi Winged Demigod took the jet home solo!:ok:

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

My favourite clip has got to be Mr James said he had lost countless animals because of the shock of low-flying jets passing suddenly. "They're prepared to pay compensation for cattle, and a person is much smaller."

I'm so pleased to see he has a sense of proportion!

Followed by;

Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd, whose Meirionnydd Nant Conwy constituency is also used for low-flying practice, said, "We should stop low flying across Wales." "On top of everything else, low flying is not part of conventional modern warfare."

Well that's it then; Plaid Cymru can't be wrong on military matters.

[Slow Roll]

RE: Lafyar's post...
"They're prepared to pay compensation for cattle, and a person is much smaller."
With robust logic like that running through low flying complaints, I think we should all launch for LFA 7 post-haste. One last lap of the loop before the gates are shut forever.:E

[Fg Off Max Stout]

"We should stop low flying across Wales." "On top of everything else, low flying is not part of conventional modern warfare."

Hmmm. What was that thing I used to do in Iraq? Oh yes, that was it: low flying.

Thanks for your input, brains. Carry on, isn't it. Tidy.

[dakkg651]

Mr Elfyn LLwyd didn't mind St Athan being chosen over Cosford a few weeks ago!

The expression 'hypocritical tw*t' springs to mind.

Wales. What does it contribute these days besides scenery, sheep and cheese on toast? Close the border and let it go broke I say.

Er if the Sons of Glyndwr are still around, I didn't really mean it. Honest.

[SmilingKnifed]

dakk,

The coordinates of your caravan have been passed to our local ASU.;)

In seriousness, the hypocrisy of these people is stunning. Can anyone think of another industry that would invest in Anglesey? As a proud welshman, I sometimes am really embarassed by these nobbers.

[Roadster280]

SK - Yes. BNFL or whatever they're called today. Nuclear powerplant in the middle of nowhere in case it got a bit warm.

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Are they not closing Wilfa down? Sure I heard that somewhere, and then when Wilfa goes AA goes because at the moment they get some massive discount on electricity because they're so close the point of generation, but when wilfa closees, they lose the discount and will go under....

[DownloadDog]

I've just heard that staff mates from Valley are currently guarding the crash site because there is no one else available to do it! Would someone from the island of dreams care to verify this...

What is the Air Farce coming to?

Best view of Anglesey is the one from your rear view mirror....

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Yeah there's a snag with there being no (well, ok maybe 15!) airmen there now I guess? This is what happens when you contract out services! No manpower. There was a similar faff when the jet took the barrier in october or so. No manpower to actually look after the jet, leading to threats of air tragic shutting down etc etc etc. Only pool of manpower is all the students who now get to fly even less due to there being 1 less jet!

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Don't Worry Folks! It will all be OK when the UKMFTS take over...........

Good Grief. :hmm:

Advo

[PICKS135]

Not true that you can 'only eject from a given aircraft once'.There was a Bucc in the late 70's I seem to remember where the nav got overly concerned about the close proximity of the water(only ankle deep in the back cockpit!) and opted for a Martin Baker letdown. The Bi Winged Demigod took the jet home solo!

XV571 ran off runway at Leuchars. Backseater said bye bye. Driver thought what does he know that I dont, and also said bye bye.

Was repaired, and used for many years as the 43(F) Sqn aero F-4

[RRAAMJET]

Didn't the stude jump out of a Bulldog once, in a spin...QFI decided to stay with the a/c as the cg change helped it recover? Not exactly an ejection...

I remember the Viet Taff painting "Piss-off Biggles" in huge letters with, remarkably, no spelling mistakes, somewhere near the A5...
I was flying with the Staish who mumbled something about changing the Flying Order Book to recover all a/c over the bloke's sheep-shagging centre... :p

[raf4]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/raf4_photos/piss_off_biggles.jpg

PRAAMJET

Said sheep-shagging centre pic attached. Enjoy.

[RRAAMJET]

Ahhh yes, that was it....!
Cheers, brought a giggle to my thoughts...:ok:
On a serious note, hope the Stude's OK - an ejection is no laughing matter for him at present, I'm sure.:uhoh:
Edited for: PS ...PRAAMJET...I like it...I might just change...hmmm;)

[Release-Authorised]

It is difficult for the Welsh to be inventive because their language dosn't have words for modern things such as "wheel" and "fire". However at long last they have invented time travel. Last time I crossed the border, life went back 130 years.....

[London Mil]

"On top of everything else, low flying is not part of conventional modern warfare."

Well then Mr Elfyn Llwyd (Plaid Cymru MP) you may be right. How do you fancy a few dozen UAVs instead? Ooops, it would appear that Wales is touting for such business as we speak.

http://www.parcaberporth.com/index.cfm/parc_aberporth/uav2004/en4193

[teeteringhead]

I remember the Viet Taff painting "Piss-off Biggles" in huge letters ... and I understand it's in the Hawk sim graphics too.....:ok:

[Regie Mental]

Plaid Cymru do not reflect the view of the military of most welsh people. However I do find the anti-Welsh diatribe which has surfaced yet again on Prune wholly distasteful. With the 25th Anniversary of the Falklands, the commitment and sacrifice of the Welsh in serving the UK is very clear indeed. Wind your necks in guys.

[Release-Authorised]

Reggie,

It was St Georges Day yesterday, so we superior Anglo-Saxons are entitled to banter the Celts for a further 52 hours. This is nothing like the antagonism I received from the locals when serving at Valley in the 1970s which lasted non-stop and was usually very personal.

What goes around comes around.

Have a nice day.

[Double Hush]

In reply to an earlier comment, it's not the students that are guarding the wreck but the instructors! With Valley a reddish-amber today, the loss of staff probably won't be noticed. Had it been a glorious day.......

Edited for apppawling spolling!

[OPSQUEEN]

Classic - thanks

:D :D :D

[mojocvh]

In reply to an earlier comment, it's not the students that are guarding the wreck but the instructors!

PMSL at that:}

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

On the subject of Piss Off Biggles

In the 74(F) Sqn scrapbook from the 90s there was another picture of the Piss Off Biggles farm, taken at low level by a Jag; this remarkably clear picture was accompanied by the letter written by the farmer to the Stn Cdr at Valley, expressing his 'extreme bitterness, anger and resentment' at the fact that, since painting the words on his barn, the number of jets flying over his property had - can you believe? - increased dramatically...

The two letters which the Stn Cdr wrote as a result were also included, one to the farmer assuring him that he (Harry Staish) had spoken to all his pilots and they had all assured him that none of them had flown over said property or even knew where it was; Harry went on to suggest that the jets must have been American!

The other letter was an internal memo to the Valley heads of shed, along the lines of 'give it a rest, everyone' - one quote I remember was "this individual clearly does not understand the psychology of aircrew"! Priceless...

[spekesoftly]

He understood the psychology of aircrew perfectly - a closet spotter that deceived you all ! :E