Phoney UN Aircraft Bomb Darfur

[Fat Reggie]

Times Online reports that Khartoum is disguising bombers and helicopters as UN relief Aircraft.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article1674228.ece

[4144r]

Hi
It could be a Kazakhstan registration, UN1 to UN 99999 !
There is a lot of Antonov in Africa
Soft landing:cool:

[AAL]

It is preposturous to suggest that only/mainly UN planes are in all white colour livery. Charter planes are also usualy white neutral colour in order not to fly with conflicting colours for clients. The reporters/authorities should perhaps also check out which nationality registry denotes UN - and if in conflict seriously consider amending or changing as matter of urgency. There are many Kyrgyzstan registered aircraft in Sudan and elsewhere.

[Fat Reggie]

AAL, I think "UN" on the wing sort of spells it out for you.

[AAL]

Not for one moment suggesting that some do not try to pull a fast one, on the photo in the link it is anyway not clear what the lettering says. Kyrgyz registration usualy standard on rear fuselage and under wing. On this photo it would appear if reg no is on top of one wing also.

Merely pointing out implications if UN and bleeding hearts reporters start singling out all-white Kyrgyz registered aircraft for special attention. If UN doesnt like - then it is simple to rid any potential for confusion by changing designator.

Me personally thinks this a case where the specialists in the region UN and AU etc. have run out of excuses for their inefficiency and failure in the region and need someone to blame.

I hold no brief for the Sudanese but believe world powers should get on with restoring peace in the region. A tale usualy has two sides. Next we will hear that Sudan also has the potential to produce weapons of mass destruction.

Many or most conflict situations in Africa develop and escelate out of control because of the intransigence, hypocracy, and inefficiency of the UN and AU, perhaps for many reasons, but just think how much money is to be made in the process by providing "peace-keeping" services once the fire is good and properly burning. Think of Iraq, and more recently the conflict in the DR Congo. The mess in the Congo was brought about by how it was decided by the major powers, the UN and AU to get rid of Mobutu. Similarly the situation in Iraq. The legacy and consequences of the regime change in the DRC and the method rests firmly on the shoulders of those powers who chose to do so, and sponsored and equiped the event. In Africa we all know who they were.

Some people and individuals make a lot of money in these processes, instead of just putting down their foot and chasing the offensive party/ies away. A simple matter considering the technology today. A classic and better example of perhaps the other extreme is the situation in Zimbabwe where "The World" is first going to allow most the Zim nation to starve or flee to SA, before they put their foot down, or are also waiting for a major full scale civil war to erupt.

When all is lost and these wonderful agencies have all failed due to ineptitude or whatever, - simple - blame your own ineptitude on one or two AN-26 possibly Kyrgyz registered planes causing all the chaos.

[BUSHJEPPY]

This aircraft is MSN 57303506 ex CCCP-26563 Aeroflot before going to Sibir (S7) under registration RA-26563. It was sold to the Sudan Air Force where only 26563 was displayed with no titles, bomb racks equipped,"UN-26563" on wings, all white.....:}

Full Panel of Experts report here:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/world/20070417SUDAN.doc

[Yak97]

AAL

Arn't Kyrgyzstan registered aircraft EX- ?

[sidestick driver]

I thought Kazakhstan aircraft were registered as BO-RAT:D

[Fat Reggie]

AAL- What....you don't believe in journalist professional integrity? What is the world coming too?

[Contract Dog]

Hope this clarifies things a bit, have flown in every corner of Sudan, have never seen anything like that. the only thing I can think of is that they mixed up a "UN" registration on a stock standard contract antinov with the actual UN callsign like the one on the nose of this MI26, note that the Air West a/c has a "UN" prefix on its reg yet it it operating as an airline. You can see how the mistake can happen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/juba4thapril098.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/SUDANKRTJUBA028.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/peSA3751.jpg

Dog

[steamchicken]

That's not UN-B2703 in the second pic is it?

[Contract Dog]

UN 42703 if you zoom int origonal

[Sammie_nl]

Not so sure Contract Dog, although confusion could be caused due to UN-xxxx registered aircraft (for the majority white and of Sovet origin) and similar aircraft operated by the Sudanese airforce for military operations.

But fairly new Mi-171s, completly white, without country roundel or national registration have been seen in Sundan. Bur more damaging are pictures of a An-26, it is registered -26562, thus without the country marking. Its completly white and has been used for bombing runs. This particular aircraft has UN Markings on its wing, whether intentionally or not. See the link, they are on page 30 and 31.

Link to the UN doc with the pictures:
http://www.sudantribune.com/IMG/pdf/20070418_SUDAN_PANEL.pdf

hope it works,

[Capt. Manuvar]

My brother finished his AU tour in the deepest depths of Darfur about a month ago. He said it wasn't uncommon for antonov-type (he's not a pilot) aircraft to fly over villages and drop packages from their ramps which could be mistaken for food, only for them to turn out to be bombs. Locals usually take cover when they see or hear any kind of aircraft. The other thing they do is that sometimes the hide weapons in food packages, this is how the Sudanese govt arms onside factions.

[Contract Dog]

Not confirming or denying it nor do I approve of the situation here. strangely....... all links to this subject are blocked here???????? mmmmm makes you think? could you please pm me the pix or your email? I would like to see them. There was a situation here years back where a field full of people in the south waiting for food got a load of bombs instead, 1hr before the UN a/c was due to do its drop, it is not beyond reality to belive that this did happen, but I have seen 1st hand how reporters can distort the truth. please mail me the pix, would love to see them.

Dog

[Sammie_nl]

C-D check you PMs...

Is there some way to attach a file or use public 'drop box'?

Cheers Sam.


edit,

alternative to find the pictures is through the UN website
link (http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1591/reports.shtml)

The 3 reports include some pictures, mainly of Mi24s recently delivered. The Interim report I can't find at the UN side include pictures of recently delivered Chinese Q-5 attack planes and the An-26 with bombs. Somehow these have been ommited in the later reports.

[4HolerPoler]

Incredible reading the UN report. Now it not may be entirely correct but I'm sure it's impartial - here are some aviation-realted excerpts:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/CrashedAntonov.jpg

Antonov 12 aircraft at Geneina airport on 14 July 2006

On 14 July 2006, an Antonov 12 aircraft of the Government of the Sudan
crashed on landing at Geneina airport. The airport fire brigade attended to the aircraft and crew. Subsequently, approximately 30 tons of ammunition were removed from the aircraft and moved into Geneina. Reliable sources informed the Panel that this was one of several similar military shipments by the Government of the Sudan during the past few weeks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/IL-76-1.jpg

Ilyushin 76 aircraft at El-Fasher airport on 31 July 2006

On 31 July 2006, at approximately 1400 hours, the Panel witnessed approximately seven Toyota pickup trucks mounted with light machine guns and a large number of troops of the Sudanese armed forces being unloaded from an Ilyushin 76 at the El-Fasher airport. Reliable sources stated that this was only one of approximately 10 such flights that had landed during the past week. Such daylight transfers of military personnel and equipment using commercial air cargo companies are blatant violations of the arms embargo and are indicative of a significant attitude shift on the part of the Government of the Sudan regarding its adherence to the sanctions imposed by the United Nations.

In addition, the Government of the Sudan continues to use white aircraft
similar to those used by AMIS, the United Nations and some international nongovernmental organizations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/MI-24s.jpg

Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters at Geneina airport on 3 August 2006

The Panel, in its first report stated that it had observed a total of
six Mi-24 Hind helicopters that had been redeployed to Darfur in violation of
paragraph 7 of resolution 1591 (2005) and that two such aircraft were present at each of the airports in El-Fasher, Geneina and Nyala. On 3 August 2006, while travelling from Geneina to El-Fasher via Nyala, the Panel observed a total of eight such helicopters, three at Geneina (tail numbers 918, 929 and 930), two at Nyala (tail number 922) and three at El-Fasher.
On 24 April, the Sudanese armed forces accompanied by a large militia force,
attacked Joghana, a town held by SLM/A. The attack started at 0700 hours and continued until 1400 hours.9 The Government of the Sudan forces comprised soldiers on Land Cruisers with mounted 12.7-mm light machine guns. The militia were on camels and horses. The ground forces were supported by two Sudanese armed forces Mi-24 helicopters and a white Antonov aircraft. Unconfirmed reports indicated that the Antonov dropped six bombs on the town during the attack. SLM/A reported that four of their soldiers were killed and seven injured. There were many civilian casualties, but the exact number has not been verified. More than 5,000 civilians were displaced by the attack and fled to different camps but mainly to the camp at Gereida, which now holds over 100,000 internally displaced persons — largely displaced by the violence in the area since November 2005. The town is now under the control of the Government of the Sudan.

On 30 June 2006, Panel members travelling by UNMIS helicopter visited
Umm Sidr, a position in Northern Darfur held by the G19. During discussions with some of the rebel leaders, soldiers and villagers, at about 1200 hours they observed an unmarked white Antonov aircraft circling the area for approximately 45 minutes. The villagers and rebel leaders told the Panel that it was a Government of the Sudan military aircraft, painted white to camouflage as a United Nations or AMIS aircraft, that such intimidating overflights were a regular occurrence in their area, and that they felt threatened as the aircraft often came close to the ground. The Panel
members noted the location of the place on the GPS monitor at 25° 09’ 15” East and 14° 25’ 23” North.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/AN241.jpg

Unmarked white Antonov aircraft at El-Fasher airport on 7 August 2006

Contrary to the claim of the Government of the Sudan, on 7 August, the Panel
saw one white Antonov aircraft stationed at the El-Fasher airport bearing two
numbers: one on its tail (7705) and another on its body (26563) The aircraft did not bear any emblem or logo. Since the aircraft was guarded by the
Sudanese Armed Forces, it is believed to be a Government of the Sudan aircraft.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/AN242.jpg

Second unmarked white Antonov aircraft landing at El-Fasher airport on
7 August 2006

The Panel saw another white Antonov aircraft bearing the letters ST ZZZ on
its body, which landed at the El-Fasher airport at about 1030 hours on 7 August. This aircraft also did not bear any emblem or logo. The Panel is convinced that the Government of the Sudan is in possession of and is using white aircraft but gave false and misleading information to the United Nations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/4HolerPoler/Bomb.jpg

Unexploded bomb near the villages bombed on 31 July 2006

On 31 July 2006, a cluster of villages composed of Gimmeza, Bobai and
Krekir, north of Kafod, were bombed by an Antonov aircraft. The first bombing run started at 0900 hours with a nine-bomb stick to the west of
the villages and 13 bombs to the east. At 1300 hours, the Antonov returned and again bombed the same area with a five-bomb stick to the east of the villages, a seven-bomb stick in the village gardens and eight bombs to the north. Two village huts were destroyed and some livestock were killed or injured. There were no human casualties. The same villagers also heard bombing in the area of Kulkul and Hashaba on 1 August.

How much longer are this bunch going to continue to BS the world while the politicians and their puppet "peace monitors" continue to be virtually ineffective?

4HP

[Fat Reggie]

Wow I'm sorry I started this thread. Do you realize this is politically sensitive? 4 Holer, I certainly hope those pictures were public knowledge already.

[Sammie_nl]

They come from UN reports, which are accessable to public, so that shouldn't be a problem. Thing is, if everybody keeps their trap shut on such developments then it only gets easier to get away with. The only thing to watch out for is the 'political agenda' of the sources quoted in the reports.

Also note that the Hips in the pictures have ramps, instead of the more usual clampshell door. Im pretty sure that these are recently build examples, probably from Ulan-Ude (Russia). The source of the Hinds on the otherhand could be pretty much anything, because they seem to be second hand examples.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

The chunk of ordnance lying in the bush appears to be the same as that regularly delivered by TY-02 and 04. Probably the same manufacturer sweating like a fat chick in a chocolate shop in a shed somewhere in Khartoum...