Flight Training AOC required

[dante15]

hi we are a group of instructors that require an aoc to set up our own flying school. We are all middle aged and looking at this as a project as we already own some a/c between us and are sick of working for other people and subisiding their business with our a/c and our skills. We are all professionally employed in other industries.
What we are looking for is either an individual or a company with an aoc for flight training that would like to form a business relationship with us.
Due to the nature of posts on pprune and the amount of post bashing that goes on there, we would be very happy to have replies as private messages, and all replies will be held in the strictest confidence.
thanking you Dante

[Bendo]

Dante,

Where is your proposed operation based?

[Aerodynamisist]

Dante I would advise you to do the leg work and get your own AOC. There are professionals out there who can prepare an ops manual for you and guide you through the application process, or you can do it yourself. The application process is time consuming requires hours of work and you will have to write casa a cheque before the will begin to look at your application. But it's still worth it in the end. If you operate under someone Else's AOC your back to "subsiding their business with our a/c and our skills" and if you get your own AOC and establish a good flying school with a good reputation you will have a salable asset in the end.

Start now and you will get it done sooner !

http://www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/aocm/forms.htm

[WilliamOK]

What would the usuaul cost for and AOC for something such as this?

[Bendo]

In my (limited) experience it has been assessed at around $5000-$7500 for a simple commercial school AOC approval, plus whatever it costs you for the production of manuals.

Do CASA require a Safety Management System and a Fatigue Management system for every operator these days?:hmm: :ugh:

[Horatio Leafblower]

According to Mr Byron's latest newsletter (http://www.casa.gov.au/corporat/casabriefing/07apr.htm), you won't need an AOC for many fight activities once they get the new CARs written.

I guess we would have to ask ourselves how many of us will live to see the day? :ugh:

[Aerodynamisist]

Bendo

Fatigue Management system - you can come up with one and submit it for approval or you can take the far easier path of an ops manual statment to comply with cao 48

Safety Managment Systems are required from memory don't know the reg refernce.

[poteroo]

CASA's April 'Briefing' by E-mail, refers you on to the full docs: www.casa.gov.au/corporat/policy/notices/CEO-PN001-2004


It will be a great day when we have a system where no AOC is needed...as in the US. If you're an instructor, then you find a spot and instruct. Your product will then be tested independantly - and if they fail - you 'fail' too! It's a strong incentive to teach the syllabus.

Why do you need an AOC for a one person country town flight school anyway? It's a form of restraint-of-trade.

As the briefing note, and the policy doc indicate, there are other means of 'controlling' flying training than an AOC

happy days,