View Full Version : FR flight lands with no fuel... I think
There's an hardly belivable rumor of a FS flight having only 175 kg of fuel left after landing. They had to perform radical 90 dgs turns on final to reduce speed. ATC was apperently screaming like crazy.
Is this a rumor or fact?
Gary Lager
9th Apr 2007, 12:19
A few points/Qs:
FS isn't Ryanair.
175 kg on a B737? In each or both tanks? Almost certainly nonsense, unless massive fuel leak was the cause, in which case well done!
When?
Where?
90 deg turns on final? Why? How do they help, radical or not?
Rumour? A very bad one, since it is not even slightly believable.
Fact? Probably not.
Congratulations on your first post.
michaelknight
9th Apr 2007, 12:21
Mods just close this thread! :ugh:
MK
Carmoisine
9th Apr 2007, 13:48
Not so fast Chaps.
What I believe the poster refers to is the now famous Ciampino incident.
No one knows the exact figures, but training personnel in our sim centre have mentioned figures broadly in line with those the thread starter quotes. This incident is still under investigation by the Italian authorities.
These PPRuNe Threads covered the topic:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197395&highlight=derry+break
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197543&highlight=derry+break
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=265174&highlight=ryanair+rushed
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=263190&highlight=ryanair+rushed
There was an internal report given to Ryanair Pilots, compiled by the Safety Officer, which I would copy, but it says CONFIDENTIAL in big black letters at the top of the page, and is copyright. It didn't go into figures for fuel on landing but multiple approaches were made. It was a very serious incident indeed. If the Italians ever get their fingers out of their butts it will be interesting reading.
http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp?id=7313&lang=ENG&loc=1887
Agaricus bisporus
10th Apr 2007, 10:08
Mssrs Lager and Knight, perhaps we should be a little less eager to lay into a poster until we actually know what we are talking about...?
Something about faces and eggs springs to mind. :mad:
SenCC, valid first post, thank you, and sorry you discovered the intemperate nature of some PPruNers so soon.
Doors to Automatic
10th Apr 2007, 10:29
FS = Flight Simulator :ok:
michaelknight
10th Apr 2007, 10:39
Agaricus bisporus,
Not laying into the 'poster' just the content of the post which is a load of garbage. Why should this be entertained?
MK
Gary Lager
10th Apr 2007, 11:32
Not laying into anyone either, just displaying extreme scepticism that the 'facts' are as extreme as our new colleague suggests/libels.
Why do I have egg/face? I don't read anything here which should cause me embarrassment at reacting with scepticism at the vague but extreme circumstances alluded to. Neither did I presume to know what Sen CC was referring to without more info. The original title of the thread was 'Ryanair', with nothing more to go on.
No one knows the exact figuresOr do you? Perhaps you could post them here for the education of all of us. I am genuinely always eager to learn form the experiences of others, but my understanding of the 'now famous' incident was that it wasn't quite as hollywood/MS Flight Sim as suggested.
87 deg bank isn't the same as a 'radical 90 deg turn on finals'. Neither did the latest ORK incident have any features suggested by SenCC, so I didn't leap to that conlusion either.
You'll be pleased to learn I won't post any more on this thread, but just see what I can learn from thse more in the know.
GL
And before you saw the pictures and heard the news stories, you never would have believed it if someone posted a story stating that an A330 had run out of fuel over the mid-Atlantic and had glided to a successful arrival in the Azores. Where there's smoke, there's usually a fire.
UKpaxman
10th Apr 2007, 21:07
rumour UK, US rumor Show phonetics
noun [C or U]
an unofficial interesting story or piece of news that might be true or invented, which quickly spreads from person to person:
Some of the posters on here might like to be reminded of the definition of 'Rumour' - this forum is still 'rumours & news' isn't it?
dash6
10th Apr 2007, 21:27
Good stuff! Light entertainment at last. Never seen a gauge that was accurate to 175kg on a 737. Did they drain the tanks?:)
SenCC
11th Apr 2007, 14:18
Been on the "road" a few days.
Sorry about the slip of fingers, I did mean FR. Thank you for stating this.
As many of you so well point out and I agree, it sounds like an impossible event. Nevertheless I thought, and hoped, light could be shed regarding this rumor, from this distinguished group of professionals.
Knowledge is the end of a good discussion!
Many thanks to Carmosine.
BRGDS