QF 737-800 pax window.....

[Gear in transit]

Got stuck in row 9 today in a QF 737-800
What the deal with no windows in row 9 and half a window in row 10, I assume there's some structual reason?

Are all the 800's like this, I've been stuck in that row a few times, but never on Vb so haven't noticed on other carriers.

[Buster Hyman]

Simple economics. GD realised how much QF would save on the purchase price and committed to the plan. I believe he was overheard saying something like; "What the heck, I'll never be seen past row 2 anyway!"

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[ScottyDoo]

no windows in row 9 and half a window in row 10

Must've been a noisy flight.....






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[SIUYA]

Gear in transit............

Air conditioning plumbing is probably what took up the space where the 'missing' window was.

That's my guess.

Scotty's got to be right about the noise from the 1/2 window in row 10 tho'. :)

[sinala1]

Its around row 8 on the -700 and 9 or 10 (can't recall exactly) on our -800's at VB. From what I have been told, its because aircon pipes run from the packs up the inside of the fuselage to feed into the outlets in the centre of the ceiling. Whether this is true or not I would not bet either way, but it satisfies the pax anyway.

[ScottyDoo]

It's for the air-conditioning.

There are some pipes that go from under the floor up into the ceiling.

Air-conditioning.

[Eastwest Loco]

Is that area not also in a direct line inboard from the forward turbine rotors?

It may have been a handy place to run the aircon pac ducting but I was under (the probably flawed) assumption that this was the reason for the no window zone on turbo prop and jet equipment.

Just seems strange that all I have seen are the same when you line up the high bypass fan or prop with the fuselage. Metal every time.

Something to do with keeping uncontained failures external?

Best all

EWL

[ScottyDoo]

If the blades makes it past the containment thingy, a sheet of aluminium isn't gonna do much.

In July, uncontained engine failure on Delta Flight 1288 in Pensacola, Florida, killed a mother and her 12-year-old son when the engine disintegrated, hurling metal blades through its casing and into the passenger cabin.

The safety brief should include that those in the row next to the donk should go the whole flight with their legs tucked under their arses just in case...

[Gear in transit]

I had wondered about containment of 'spinny things' myself, but I had discounted that seeing it's only on the left side. Right side pax aren't as important perhaps?

[Angle of Attack]

Yeah I think youd be having a bad day if the Engine disintegrated, and the fragments exited the containment structure around the engine, and you happened to be sitting in just the right place, and you got hit by a piece of shrapnel. Pre-approval tests include a containment test but you could never be sure in every situation I think. Whenever I get a seat next to the turbines (sometimes theres a red line round the engine I always cringe slightly when it's aligned with my vital organs! :uhoh:

[SIUYA]

Gear in transit said................

I had wondered about containment of 'spinny things' myself, but I had discounted that seeing it's only on the left side. Right side pax aren't as important perhaps?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear............let's just go back to your original question.

What the deal with no windows in row 9 and half a window in row 10, I assume there's some structual reason?


Now, on a 738 the 'spinny' things (= turbo-jets = NO propellers) are equally aligned on either side of the aircraft, so it doesn't matter whatsoever if you are on the LEFT or RIGHT side of the aircraft. And, all passengers, be they sitting on the left OR right side of the aircraft are EQUALLY important!

Ever seen the Telstra ad where the kid asks his old man why the Great Wall of China was built and Dad answers 'It was to keep the rabbits out.....designed by Emporer Nasi Goreng'.

OK............well the Empororer Nasi Goring at Boeing designed the aircraft to have airconditioning (to keep the rabbits on board happy) and to do that he had to work out a way to get nice conditioned air into the upper area of the cabin, so to do that he worked out a system to have (as Sinala says):

aircon pipes run from the packs up the inside of the fuselage to feed into the outlets in the centre of the ceiling

And, to do that, as BACB30NN3K3 told you, the Emporer Nasi Goring at Boeing designed a system of:

multiple moulded round tubes on the NG's and Flat Fibreglass ducts on the classics - connecting the mix manifold to the overhead distribution duct

right next to where you sat! Hence, NO WINDOW!

So it's really simple, really :)

Time to move on.............next thread?

[frozen man]

The aircon pipes are actually called risers in this area

[Another Number]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear........
Now, on a 738 the 'spinny' things (= turbo-jets = NO propellers)I always thought "Empororer Nasi Goring at Boeing" was a bit confused, going backwards moving from turbofans to turbojets for the 800! :hmm:

[OzStriker]

lol @ SIUYA and turbojets on a 738

[BrazDriver]

Speaking of flying engine bits, back in the day of the Sioux City UAL DC-10 that had the tail engine go bang, was there the engine guard back then or was it invented after the accident??

Sorry for a bit of further drift!

[Gear in transit]

right next to where you sat! Hence, NO WINDOW!
So it's really simple, really
Time to move on.............next thread?
Ever heard of 'tongue in cheek??'
Geez wouldn't wanna do anything WRONG at all. :}