META/ Check and Training.

[novicef]

What is the difference between META and Check and Training? A friend of mine reckons he has Check and Training but he does not have an Instructor Rating. Do the CAO’s cover this subject?

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

META is an extension to ones Instructor Rating (some would say a re-issue, but it is actually the removal of the "single engine" limitation).

Check And Training is totally different, for one you need to look at the particular approval issued to the pilot to see exactly what they are entitled too, C&T approval does not automatically allow endorsements.

You do not require an Instructor Rating to have a C&T approval.

With appropriate experience an Instructor Rating makes the C&T approval process considerably easier.

[Richo]

Hello Novicf

As LHRT has said you can be C&T without a FI. There was a NRPM proposal a few years ago that would have made all training, whatever it was, under a Flight Instrutor (FI) rating and the various types of training then branching out with FI's having a qualification in that type of training. I have not heard anything about this proposal for some time now and it may be dead.

Training covers a lot of things done in aviation. There is

1. Training in relation to getting a licence or rating, usually with an approved syllabus.
This is for a person who walks in and is usually a customer. Must have an FI with appropriate endorsment.

2. Training in relation to your employment, some of which is syllabus stuff and some which is company required.
For company employess and coverd by ops manual or similar. can be done under both CASA and company specific approvals. Many supervisory (training) Captains are company approved only.

3. Training in a skill not covered by the above. Done by people with CASA or recognised qualifications, not nessecarily a commercial pilot or FI. Many PPL holders have approvals to train in some of the more unusual fields of aviation.
Ie Low Level Aeros, Glider towing, etc.

Definitions,
Syllabus - Formal training covered by the regs
CAR 217 - In company (house) training organisation, approved by CASA.
Approval - CASA or other body approved training person.

richo

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

Richo,

The FI business you are talking of is the soon to be new and improved Part 169 (well thats how it was marketed five years ago, you know a month or two before its expected release date).

In essence it is quite a good idea, Chief Pilots and C&T folk would need some sort of FI rating / formalised training, which pretty much happens already, so change for changes sake.

Thats probably why it hasn't happened yet ?, Creampuff, care to comment ? (burn the regulatory reform witches at the stake):).

[novicef]

If one had META and a Gr.2, however the only instructing he/she did after obtaining the Gr.2 was endorsing somebody on type, checking somebody on a single engine aircraft because they had not flown it before, or was involved in line training, would those hours count towards obtaining the Gr.1 requirement of 750 hours?

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

If not done under a Flying School AOC, i would think no. Go read the CAO, it generally stipulates the terms.

Instructing in general terms is a commercial operation requiring an AOC, conversion training is not actually flight training ( private operation - CAR 206 ), similar applies for "Line Training".

[OpsNormal]

novicef. Lefty is right on the money.:ok:
To further answer your other original reference to the CAOs query, try looking at CARs 5.14-5.21 (and so on), CAR217 (for the requirement to have a check and training organisation in certain circumstances), as well as CAO40.0/40.2.1 etc for the GPS and instrument stuff. This list is not exhaustive, however stipulates what a check and/or trainer may carry-out under what delegation etc.
CASA approves C+T pilots with certain delegations and these are usually (most always) only valid while that person works for a certain operator.
Regards,
OpsN.;)