Who does your Jeppesen updates?

[Grum]

I like many on this forum work for a small charter organisation with 3 aircraft. In the past i have been responsible for one aircraft, this includes keeping the jepp up to date. This is fine by me but have recently been asked to keep 3 aircraft upadtes current! Can't be doing this for long. :}

Who does the updates in your company and roughly how big is that company i.e. how many aircraft? Also are your operations people formally trained?

[NuName]

We use worldwide and went to EFB's for that very reason. 2Xjet 2Xturboprop.

[Spyro1]

It's me, 2*turboprops jepp europe+eastern europe+north africa

[matoto]

in my company (2 aircraft) with europe, north africa and EEU Jeppesen we have one set for each aircraft and one for the office + one europe bottlang. Each crew is responsible to update the Jeppesen of the aircraft when the update have been put in his plane, and this thing work very well. for the office doc the one who have time do the update (mainly F/O :) ).

[scooter boy]

Maybe you know all this already or maybe the commercial regs insist that you carry all the current paper charts for europe every time you fly but...

I moved onto Jeppview 3.0 2 months ago and wish I had done it sooner.
The CDs take 30s to update all the chart and text data.
I used to realy hate updating all the paper stuff - a truly mindless and neverending task! Having all that useful paper did give me some (misplaced) sense of security (if ever I needed to divert or find out what the entry requirements were for Azerbaijan or the unit of altitude in Albania) - also if ever I got stranded and needed to make a fire to keep warm, attract attention or fend off hordes of attacking animals the paper charts would have been ideal for this.

Doing the paper updates is a complete waste of time when you can carry a laptop and a small printer and print out any unexpected arrival charts in a few seconds.
I now do this and can even run flightdeck with a GPS antenna feed in the cockpit as a backup (on the laptop) to the onboard systems.
The weight of the bag containing the laptop/printer/manual/GPS antenna and cables/adaptors is about 50% that of the 5 manuals I used to hump around. The laptop is also great for getting weather/filing flightplans when you are sitting in a hotel somewhere planning your return flight.

God I hate paperwork, the less there is the better.

SB

[IO540]

SB - I agree. I have dropped my Jepp paper sub (a heavy ring binder just for the UK) in favour of a tablet with JV3 and a small printer, and having common emergency plates pre-printed out - as well of course as all those required for the route.

I believe airlines have girls in their ops departments whose life is spent stuffing all that paper into the ring binders. I know a pilot who married one such girl, and this is what she told me. She spent 10 years doing that.

BTW, the stuff is no good for a fire; it is very thin and would burn up in no time :)

[Chilli Monster]

Grum

2 x twin Jet, 1 x twin piston, 2 pilots (1 full time, 1 part time)

2 sets of AERADs - we do them
Ops staff - That'll be us too!

[Itswindyout]

We just let ours lapse, and get a full update, might be a lazy way, but with Jeppview, on our lap top, and 2 EFB, the rest of the world, never gets updated, and we dump the lot ever six months.

The crew have lap tops, and there is a HP 1300 series printer / scanner / copier in forward lav locker, so we are fully operational all over the world.
Even sometimes wireless on apron......

Windy

[Grum]

Get myself a printer! why didn't i think of that? We also have a tablet with jeppview on it but the company expected me to fly with this thing sitting on my lap with the appropriate plate selected! ( just check that DA again . . . . ahh, battery's dead!!) Sounded nuts to me so insisted on the paper variety. All i needed was a printer. Is that legal to simply carry printed copies of destinations and anticipated alternates?

Must get back to those updates. :bored:

[Mal_206]

We operate One Twin Jet for a private owner.
Just 2 Pilots and we do everything!

We each Have JeppView on our Private Laptops and on a tablet PC (Which are all simply updated by internet).

We print the required charts for each trip putting them in a "Trip File" and also carry around a HP 460 Portable Printer for any changes.

Work Beautifully :ok:

[IO540]

On a related topic, how to bizjet pilots work out their Eurocontrol (CFMU) routings?

I know Flitestar has a facility for a rough routing, but this works only about half the time.

[merlinxx]

Call yr Jepp Rep on 01293 842400 ask for FltStar support

[5 RINGS]

try 'Standard routes' on the left hand side of the CFMU screen, halfway between 'operators' and 'strcutured editor'...

try to find a route from the nearest big airport and try to rejoin the route as you can...standard routes are mainly upper airspace.

Best of luck!

[CMN]

Can you have CFMU standard routes in Flitestar!?
How do you install them ? Can they be downloaded from the internet?
Please explain in detail as flightplanning i EUR airspace is a complete nightmare. Sometimes easier using the old paper chart....

[IO540]

I believe Flitestar contains the SRDs and the CDRs. This is invoked by using the routepack wizard, entering dep and dest and choosing "airways" for the route. I've never seen this documented though in terms of where the data comes from. Jeppview 3 (which nowadays contains most of Flitestar) seems to not contain any autorouting feature.

So, for some European routes, you do end up with a route which CFMU accepts. I've been successful for flights down into western France & Spain, etc.

But it usually doesn't work if flying into eastern Europe e.g. Belgium, Germany, Czech etc.

This site (http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/)which is officially aimed for flight sim pilots is much better, and is the best (and only one) that I know of on the www. You can iterate it by selecting various exclusions (at the bottom).

There is a German company (http://www.moving-terrain.de/en/index_en.htm)selling a box which connects via GPRS to a server which they run, and which does some sort of autorouting and then stuffs the result into CFMU and if it is rejected it iterates the route and keeps trying until it gets accepted. This is pricey, at about GBP 5k entry level.

Jeppesen's online flight planner (JIFP) which has just come out for Europe does autorouting too but seems to be exactly identical to Flitestar.

I asked the Q because I believed that corporate ops have access to some other service (not free) for automated route planning.