Comair flying high

[4HolerPoler]

Good news for Comair

High fuel prices in the last six months could not ground airline operator Comair's profits which increased by 95% to R52m (R27m) compared with the corresponding period in 2005, the company reported on Wednesday. Comair said "despite a record high average fuel price adding R60m to operating costs", headline earnings per share (HEPS) increased 96% to 13.1 cents compared with 6.7c. The increase in the fuel price is reflected in the 13% increase in operating expenses to R1.04bn in the six months to December from R923m in the six months to June 2006. This is however lower than the R1.8bn in operating expenses recorded for 2005 comparable period.

Comair said in a statement "the strength of our British Airways and kulula.com brands, along with a consistent focus on customer service, has driven revenue growth in excess of the industry average". Comair is the only listed airline company in South Africa. Its major competitors are state-owned South African Airways (SAA) and its offshoot, Mango. SAA lost more than R680m in the six months to September 2006 after it saw its operating profit drop 90% to R65m in the year to March 2006. This happened despite SAA claiming to have had a record number of passengers in the period. Mango has been in the air for just over three months and hence no financials are yet available. Comair turnover increased 16% to R1.1bn through growth in passenger volumes, occupancy levels and yields, it said. "The fleet replacement programme continued to improve operating efficiencies while enhancing the potential for revenue growth." Comair added that it had boosted its fleet by purchasing another Boeing 737-400 for cash during the period, and plans to upgrade three additional aircraft to more modern and efficient models during the remainder of the financial year. Addressing future prospects of the company, Comair said the launch of a third state owned, low cost airline, had further increased competition "in the already overtraded" domestic market. "This will add downward pressure on ticket prices and occupancy levels for the privately owned airlines as well as for the state owned airlines."

But lower fuel prices are set to provide some relief. A barrel of Brent crude oil fell from a high of over US$78 in August to a low of US$60 in December before falling further to a low of US$51 in January. It has since ticked up to the current US$58. Comair put faith in its ability to attract, develop and retain "the best people" as the key to overcoming industry challenges. "We expect that the strength of our brands and quality of our people will continue to deliver the high levels of service that will ensure a successful 2007 financial year."

[Deskjocky]

Loved the dig at SAA and Mango, its been so boring having no negative press from Comair to deal with lately. Had a chat with the lads at Mango a few days ago- and you will never guess who walked into their offices at JNB and asked to speak with Mr Bezuidenhoudt....one Gidon Novick! left his business card and everything- now what would he want to talk to Mango about.....:suspect: :suspect:

[Goldfish Jack]

Well now that Comair have decided to start replacing their MD80's maybe they want to give them to Mango at a good rate.........

With all the rumours of more a/c for Mango..... even heard they are looking at B737-200s from Safair now that big brother is not too keen to give them more a/c

[Deskjocky]

Well now that Comair have decided to start replacing their MD80's maybe they want to give them to Mango at a good rate.........

With all the rumours of more a/c for Mango..... even heard they are looking at B737-200s from Safair now that big brother is not too keen to give them more a/c

Mango wouldnt take those MD's even if they were free:} likewise the 200's.
They are on track for 4 more aircraft this year- minimum, all of them beautiful 737-800's!:)

[jbayfan]

Except that they will now need to pay market related rates seeing as SAA will not be giving them any more aircraft.

[Deskjocky]

SAA merely passes on the their lease rate to Mango- so its neither here nor there. SAA has created Mango and its not about to let it die a slow death through lack of capacity therefore I can assure you that the aircraft will be forthcoming, the only constraints that exist currently will be when the request comes in - in terms of where we are in the schedule cycle- it has to be in a seasonal change, so that there can also be allowances made for the use of more wide bodies domestically. As well as Mango's ability to crew the aircraft (this is governed by notice periods of new recruits and sim availability) also its become practice to increase capacity prior to peaks in leisure traffic volume and this year should prove no different.

[ByAirMail]

What JBAYFAN meant to say is “now the TAXPAYER” will have to pay market related rates”

[Deskjocky]

Well at least the TAXPAYER gets something for their investment- cheap tickets!

[jbayfan]

Deskjockey, you are obviously well entrenched within the hallowed hallways of SAA HQ, and obviously not too overworked considering how much company time you spend perusing PPrune. However, even SAA admits that the rate they lease the B738's to Mango for is a market related rate and not necessarily the rate which they are paying to the leasing company. Being as informed as you are, you should know about the balloon payments on the B738 fleet so masterfully negotiated by the R250 million man, Coleman Andrews. However, for those who are not in the know, Mango is profitable as a stand alone entity although they did admittedly start operating during the peak season. And with SAA looking for more B738's for the mainline operation, I don't see them releasing any more to Mango.

[Deskjocky]

jbayfan, thank you for your concern relating to my time management- obviously keeping an eye on pprune during the day really occupies most of your attention and therefore you cant get anything else done.

You may not like what I have to say as it relates to the expansion of Mango but its going to happen SAA will provide the equipment. End of story.

[johnnyknoxville]

I'm sure the post read "COMAIR FLYING HIGH" and then some railway employee comes and makes it all about their "fruity" outfit.

Lets focus on the positive, good work the PUBLIC company Comair does without any help from anybody, fancy that. Making money, aint that a novel idea.

:D

[jbayfan]

DJ, you are the same guy who said SAA will not hire anywhere near 88 pilots this year - well the SAA Exco has approved the hiring of 89!

[V35B]

This thread was aimed at giving praise to comair. Desjocky if you dont like it start another thread.

[Deskjocky]

This thread was aimed at giving praise to comair. Desjocky if you dont like it start another thread.

And now you wonder why the guys are saying pprune is getting boring- grannies like this out there no wonder!

[PissCat]

:ouch: easy girls! no reason to start going at one another's throats like a bunch of hosties!

[journeyman]

For those of you that think Deskjockey doesn't know what he is talking about, here's a quote that he made on the SAA/Mango thread on the 28th Oct 2005, 08h26:
"There is absolutely no future in SAA launching it's own LCC arm..."
Looks like his bosses really valued his opinion at the time. Now he does what any good sycophant would - sing Mango's praises! (Don't go deleting it now, big fella).

[V35B]

Love the one about the taxpayer getting something for his INVESTMENT. :ok:

[fluffyfan]

DJ sorry, I do enjoy your threads, however as to SAA providing Mango with more 800's......I dont think so, rumour has it SAA getting 2 from our European buddies to replace the ones sent to Mango.
You may be right, I hope not, would be good for Mango to stand on its own two feet and find its own 800's instead of relying on big brother.
Hows it going with the old bullet Captains? they had enough yet?
Have to add, well done Comair (this is a thread about Comair after all);) .

[Deskjocky]

For those of you that think Deskjockey doesn't know what he is talking about, here's a quote that he made on the SAA/Mango thread on the 28th Oct 2005, 08h26:
"There is absolutely no future in SAA launching it's own LCC arm..."
Looks like his bosses really valued his opinion at the time. Now he does what any good sycophant would - sing Mango's praises! (Don't go deleting it now, big fella).

Indeed at the time the thinking was counter launching an LCC, like most things in big companies things happen if they are championed by the most influential people. At the time we were going to go for a multi cabin “get what you pay for” model in the back- there was a feeling that this was not radical enough and so work was started on looking into the LCC at the end of 2005. The numbers looked encouraging and the project moved to implementation. A better idea won at the end of the day- that good business big fella!:ok:

PS yes Im very pro Mango- why- because it makes good business sense, but I digress well done Comair on your results…..that’s what the thread is for isn’t it?

[Deskjocky]

I’m sure you would like to believe that, if self delusion is your thing, then go for it pal! The fact of the matter remains that there were enormous risks associated with going with a stand alone LCC- one of them was the competition commission, another was the collective agreements in place with the pilot body. These issues were seen as show stoppers – hence the proposed evolution in the mainline product. Fortunately the dialog that was had with both the pilots and the competitions commission proved fruitful and the door was open to go for the LCC- the outcome of these discussions was most unexpected- hence the strategy going in another direction.

[HOTBOK]

No doubt running a good show over their but let see them do it again with the cheap maintenance (leases) coming to and end pretty soon....somebody els must have been carrying the losses on the cheap rates....either the lessee or the outsourced maintenance folly's.Proof in the pudding would like to see how they will keep the rates locked in to the current setup....if they can get that right....buy stock>if not .....welcome to reality .

[Bomber Man]

Well now SAA has comair by the balls wher they want them. meaning AIrcraft not beeing released on time poor maintenance pushing up the rates like they did with Sunair can be devastating in the long run:}

[ERASER]

BM, I don't think SAA ever touched SUNAIR's a/c. They operated MD and B727 a/c, I'm not to sure about the time frame but didn't SUNAIR rise out of the ashes left by Phoenix Air and Flitestar?

According to what I've heard, COMAIR is very happy with their dispatch reliability of it's a/c.

E

[JetNut]

DJ said:
like most things in big companies things happen if they are championed by the most influential people.


Who are these "influential people" ??

They are the old-timers now occupying the left seat of the orange -800's. They screwed SAA over with the LCC concept (which has blatantly excluded SAA pilots) so as to line their own eroded pension funds, whilst clueless management (DJ included) followed along without an inkling of the consequences.

Mango was an ideal opportunity for SAA management to spread the parastatal burden of EE. But now its the guys who joined the SAA seniority system in the 1970's who are benefitting :ugh:

[Deskjocky]

They are the old-timers now occupying the left seat of the orange -800's. They screwed SAA over with the LCC concept (which has blatantly excluded SAA pilots) so as to line their own eroded pension funds, whilst clueless management (DJ included) followed along without an inkling of the consequences.


Jetbut, you just continue to drag the name of SAA pilots down with these moronic posts of yours. The whole LCC discussion has been had already, SAAPA (that means you) gave it the green light. Mango is using these guys as a resource, they get paid what Mango stipulated, if they were not there then Mango would have recruited other guys to do the work. The fact that younger pilots now feel aggrieved is their own fault- they had the chance to do something about it and they didn’t. I cant help but wonder if the reason SAAPA dropped the ball here is because they were more interested in taking the company on on travel concessions so that pilots wives and girlfriends/etc were guaranteed seats instead of going on standby?

Perhaps you need to have a re-look at who are going to be the biggest losers as a result of Mango.

[nugpot]

They screwed SAA over with the LCC concept (which has blatantly excluded SAA pilots)

Really funny sentence, old chap. I understood that you were welcome to put in a CV when Mango started up. Or do you mean that they blatantly refused to offer SAA salaries to pilots to fly the LOW COST aircraft.

I cant help but wonder if the reason SAAPA dropped the ball here is because they were more interested in taking the company on on travel concessions so that pilots wives and girlfriends/etc were guaranteed seats instead of going on standby?

DJ, the rebate issue came slightly later. When Mango started the age 63 thing was quite big. I guess that is what FO Nut is referring to (and I also know that a sentence is not supposed to end with a preposition).

I don't really understand his gripe. It has been common knowledge for years that time to command in SAA is 10-15 years. That still has not changed. At least as FO he earns the same, if not more, than Captains at the other local airlines.

Now if SAA can just survive long enough for FO Nut to get command.......

[line-driver]

And the reason why Comair is flying so high lies here-in http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=274981&highlight=comair

The amount of talk amongst the crew of how bad it is is trully amazing, but no comments from higher up the command chain where life is more relaxed, and as for the real winners in this..?

[Romeo E.T.]

Press statement today...share some please....please...

Hello all



Please find below a press release issued to the general media in conjunction
with a trading update that was issued to our shareholders with regard to
Comair's year-end performance.


Comair expects significant year-end earnings



Johannesburg - 17 July 2007. In its sixty-first year of profitable
operation Comair Limited (Comair) has today informed its shareholders of
significant profits expected for the year ended 30 June 2007. Its headline
earnings per share and earnings per share are expected to be between 20% to
40% higher than those of last year.



Comair cautioned however that unprofitable ticket pricing by
state-subsidised SAA's new subsidiary, Mango, negatively impacted profits in
the fourth quarter of the latest financial year and may also impact future
results.



In this light Comair's joint CEO Erik Venter has said, "Once again we've had
a very successful and profitable year but the unprofitable airfares that
currently prevail in the industry are going to pose a challenge going
forward."



Comair mentioned that the current high crude oil price, if sustained could
have an impact on future earnings, however the company anticipates that the
subsequent fuel-price increases will be mitigated by the progress its made
with its fleet upgrade programme.



During the financial year just ended three newer, more fuel-efficient and
environmentally friendly Boeing 737-400s have been brought into service on
the kulula.com brand. These aircraft are 15% more cost efficient than the
older, fuel inefficient MD82 aircraft which will be replaced by the end of
the year.



Ends



Notes to editors:

* Comair is currently in a closed period which will end on 12
September 2007 when the annual results are announced

[Wollychop]

Hey DJ, what I want to know is how you feel on reading Comair's results every year? Have you ever considered how wrong it may seem to employees from competing (non-state funded) airlines that unfair usage of their taxes potentially jeopardises their livelihood? SAA hijacked a concept created by brave entrepreneurs who have managed to provide a great service to the citizens of SA without state funding. It makes me ill when you try to rub our faces in the fact that only SAA & Co can "afford" new aircraft in this country. In future, kindly refrain from reminding us of this and of your decadent salaries.

Some sympathy out there for DJ please - I know I'd feel like a parasite.;)

[ERASER]

South African Airways Technical clinches maintenance agreement with Comair

JOHANNESBURG, 18 July 2007 – South African Airways’ technical subsidiary, SAA Technical (SAAT) has clinched one of its largest and most significant maintenance agreements by forging a deal with Comair to maintain both the British Airways and kulula.comfleets of more than 22 aircraft.

The decision by Comair to move the maintenance of its fleet of Boeing 737-300s and 737-400s to SAAT once again confirms the extent of the organisation’s solid local and international reputation. The agreement extends over five years, and is valued at more than R500m over the period.

SAA CEO Khaya Ngqula says the fact that one of the airline’s competitors has decided to entrust the safety of its aircraft to SAAT is a great compliment and a proud achievement.

“Not only will SAA Technical be able to offer Comair a seamless service, the deal will also boost our revenue and further enhance our already excellent reputation. Comair’s decision to sign up with SAA Technical as its maintenance provider underlines the fact that the standard of maintenance we offer is amongst the best in the world,” he said.

SAA Technical is the largest maintenance facility in Africa, and its dispatch reliability, which affects the on-time departure of aircraft, has consistently remained within the top 5% to 10% when compared to the world’s top carriers. Ensuring that an aircraft departs on time not only helps an airline to grow its revenue, but is also important for customer loyalty and service.

Comair joint CEO Gidon Novick says: “The excellent service levels we have had from SAAT in the past have enabled us to offer high service levels to our customers. We look forward to extending our relationship with SAAT further.”

Until now, Comair aircraft have been maintained by both SAAT and Safair, a subsidiary of Imperial Holdings. Comair currently leases several aircraft from Safair and will continue leasing aircraft from Safair in the future. In addition, the two companies will continue with their successful freight joint venture, called Imperial Air Cargo.

“We are in the process of acquiring several new aircraft as part of our fleet upgrade plan and look forward to placing these in the capable hands of SAAT,” said Novick.
SAAT will do daily and weekly A checks on the aircraft, while component and engine support will be outsourced.

SAA Technical CEO Jan Blake says maintenance on the first of Comair’s aircraft will start on July 1, and will roll out over the coming months to ensure that there is a smooth transition. With the finalisation of the contract, the B737s will be the single largest fleet type under SAAT’s maintenance schedule, which bodes well for the future.

“The B737 is the aircraft for Africa in the future which puts SAA Technical in a good position to bring in additional work from the continent in the coming years. We will be focusing on neighbouring countries to expand our services in line with our strategy of diversifying our revenue stream and sourcing additional work from outside SAA,” he says.


Notes:

-The existing Comair fleet of MD82 aircraft leased from Safair will continue to be maintained by Safair until they have been phased out. They are likely to be phased out within the next 8 months.
-Boeing 737 aircraft currently maintained by Safair will be transferred to SAAT over the next 3 months.

[Deskjocky]

Wolly,a most appropriate name. You seem to be a well balanced individual- a chip on both shoulders. Go try and wind someone else up, I’m too busy living this decadent lifestyle at your expense. :ok:

SAA hijacked a concept created by brave entrepreneurs who have managed to provide a great service to the citizens of SA without state funding. .

Perhaps you may consider some sort of psychiatric intervention for your delusional state, Comair didn’t invent the LCC concept, or maybe they did…..its probably all a big conspiracy, you and Jetnut must be buddies.:suspect:

[DreamMachine]

Note that one of the reasons stated for Comair's success is a focus on Customer Service. This has been noticeable on my last few flights with BA and Kulula and certainly means I'll continue to book on them.

The Flight Attendants are really good and whoever is doing the recruitment needs a pat on the back. Somebody has got it right!

SAA could take a leaf out of Comair's book on Customer Service!

YOUR FRONTLINE IS YOUR BOTTOMLINE

[Gyro Nut]

Comair's flight attendants are great. At least the pilots and cabin crew seem to get on better. The SAA cabin crew hardly greet one in the car park. Imagine how friendly they are to the customers.

[Q4NVS]

Imagine how friendly they are to the customers.

I don't think this is a problem at all... Considering the fact that the passengers hardly ever see the Flight Attendants. :ugh:

Especially when they close all the shutters and switch off the lights during mid day flights over Africa etc. :eek:

Eish!

[luther55]

Comair/Kulula will be entering the cell phone market by launching its own operator by the end of the year.Saw it in DIE BURGER today.Intresting though,it will be a no frills thing.Ka ching straight to the bank.....

[Deskjocky]

If true, a very interesting diversification- although one that Virgin has already gone down. Speaking of going down it was recently reported that Cell C and Virgin still have not broken even- in fact Virgin are struggling to attract subscribers- as are Cell C. One wonders if Virgin cant turn a buck how are Kulula going to manage?

[luther55]

Well i assume the launch of their own cell phone operator is true since the chaps at kulula said so themself.I cant seem to find the article rite now to shed some more light on it!Kulula said they did their homework on the whole celphone thing.Maybe they see something we dont!Deskjockey?
Virgin an cel c a flop cause they simply not competitive enough.Well im sure the guys at MN can make this work an make more cash.Curious there is this technology they testing where they put some device on a/c so that people can make call and use 3g laptop etc etc while flying at cruising altitude,this will only be allowed when the captain permits its use during flite.Will this technology be coming here?If so with this kulula cellphone thing they will definately be the first to introduce it on their a/c......Enough said
kulula best low cost carier in africa on skytrax,but didnt mango also get that award....

[Deskjocky]

Its just that there are roughly 45 million odd people in SA right now and there is purported to be around 40 million sim cards issued to date. Where is the gap? The only thign I can think of is them going into a JV on this with either MTN or Vodacom-on the lines of their credit card?

Thing is, I have some reliable information that they have only managed to get over 10 000 green credit cards out into the market. Im sure they wont be happy with that- especially given the amount of money invested in marketing the venture.

Me thinks they should keep their eye on the ball and forget the power of their brand- which if the credit card performance is anything to go by, is a lot less powerful then they think. Perhaps they should issue another cautionary note in their financials about potential losses due to continued speculative ventures

[JetNut]

Time and time again, many market gurus have advocated the power of a brand (please reaad the latest Harvard Business journal). Coca Cola, Virgin...the names alone command serious figures on the balance sheet. So maybe there might just be something there,huh, DJ?

To make matters worse, recent events have shown that SAA tend to be market followers rather then market leaders....LCC's, years later Mango. Kulula credit cards, years later SAA credit card. :ugh:Comair,Kulula,Link,Sax,1Time, buy new aircraft. SAA park new aircraft. Is it me or did i lose the plot along the line somewhere??

[Deskjocky]

Im not disputing the power of the brand. What I am disputing the the power of the Kulula brand. Big Difference.

Furthermore, it not about when something is done- its how good the execution is that counts. The Voyager credit card is a huge success as is Mango. The early bird doesn’t always catch the worm.

As for "new" aircraft that these carriers supposedly brought online?

Comair- 2nd hand 734's
1Time- 2ndhand MD82's
Link- 2nd hand BAE 146's
SAX- 2nd hand CRJs and 2 NEW Q400's

So out of that list the only new aircraft acquired during the last 2 years was SAX with a brace of Q400's, facts facts.......

SAA parks new aircraft? so you are calling the 744's "new" now eh?

[JetNut]

In my books, a 744 is a new aircraft. Unless you've got 747-800's and not telling anyone about it :O

[journeyman]

Have to agree with your last few posts, JetNut - I think DJ is in denial.

Thing is, I have some reliable information

Don't you believe it - this is the same man that said, on the 27th October 2005, on another famous thread:

There is absolutely no future in SAA launching it's own LCC arm...

Brings to mind that old comparision to a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed, well, not exactly prime rib - if you know what I mean.

[Deskjocky]

Ahh, I see we are going down this well worn path again, seems whenever someone doesn’t want to put forward a coherent argument they get personal.... as I said the last time- AT THE TIME (very important piece that) that was the official position. Things change and Im glad they did!!

[journeyman]

Not getting personal - just telling it like it is. If it was the official position at the time, are you trying to tell us that they formulated the Mango business plan, procured the aircraft, hired the staff, etc, etc - all in under 12 months? SAA couldn't move that fast if they were being chased by a liquidator!

Remember the 777 fiasco? Dilly-dallied for so long, even Boeing lost their patience. So just maybe it wasn't the official position - maybe they just didn't tell you.

[JetNut]

SAA management has a fundamental cancer. This cancer is called bureaucracy

I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....

Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!:}

So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.

[Balmy]

Hey now.....to merge the original thread with most of what has been said after that......I think it is great that both Comair and Mango are doing well......good for all of us as fare paying pax and as aviation people......

Interesting how the world has changed......most the "traditional" airlines struggle to make money (a bunch of them in chapter 11) while the low costs are the ones making money.........go you good thing.

[BeechGecko]

Well at least the TAXPAYER gets something for their investment- cheap tickets!

Interesting point, utter crap but interesting.

Mango doesn't offer rates that are significantly cheaper that all the other low cost airlines in the country. The only difference is that the TAXPAYERS don't have to subsidise all the the others. If companies like Comair can do it why should we be happy about subsidising another one just to get the same ticket prices?

[moonshine707]

:bored: OK guy's there is not a single LCC in RSA, a LCC is an airline that sells all seats onboard at one price, not at 10 price scales.

BUT THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!
I think that Mango is SAA's best and biggest scam that they have pulled past the competition board. They say Mango is an independant company!!
But how can that be if SAA owns 100% of Mango shares? It means that all executive board proposals have to be ok by the shareholder & that is SAA:hmm:

Heard from the boys that SAA is not giving Mango any more aircraft, nor is SAA geting of any more routes so that Mango can operate on them.:{:=

[luther55]

I heard from the chaps at mango that they currently looking at new routes an adding new a/c,so who knows who is right or wrong.I dont see why saa wont give them more routes or a/c tho!

[Q4NVS]

BUT THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!
I think that Mango is SAA's best and biggest scam that they have pulled past the competition board. They say Mango is an independant company!!

Why do they even need to be an independant company to operate a LCC division - Kulula is not...

Ever considered how many different Motor Brand Dealerships is run by the McCarthy Group (i.e. Toyota, Honda, Mercedes Benz etc.)

Your point being...

[Deskjocky]

SAA management has a fundamental cancer. This cancer is called bureaucracy

I'm sure DJ will at least agree on this ....

Too many cooks (kooks?) spoil the broth!

So Jouneyman, as you correctly stated..there is no way in hell, Mango was conceived and implemented within the space of 12 months...12 years maybe.

Jetnut, SAA has problems top to bottom, sure bureaucracy is an issue- however checks and balances must be in place to ensure no one rips the ring out of it. There is however a major need to more decentralized decision making- bottlenecks are everywhere- problem here is that a person who was given a position through political affiliations is sh:mad:t scared to make the critical calls so everything gets shunted up the line. Those who can make the calls are thus disempowered.

As far as Mango goes, Im chuffed a lot of people think it couldn’t be strung together in the time that it happened- means we are underestimated. At the start of it all there were a lot of people out there who said it would not come off for this reason or that and it all worked out just fine. Most of the people who worked on the Mango project went back into the SAA system when the project was finished.

[JetNut]

problem here is that a person who was given a position through political affiliations is sh:mad:t scared to make the critical calls


Its a cancer. No cure known to mankind. So DJ....where do you see the company in 5 years time then (or am I asking the wrong person), although a calculated guess will also be appreciated :}

[moonshine707]

:ok: Luther consider the fact that SAA was suppose to give Mango a additional aircraft to roll their fleet operation while they have one a/c at a time in C Check till end of Oct. That didn't happen so now Mango is down to 3 a/c. SAA was to give Mango another 800 starting Nov07, SAA last week decided no go!!!

Mango was supposed to get 2 more new aircraft from Boeing next year March, because SAA did not want to part with any more of their own. Now SAA said no to Mango they cant get new a/c as SAA is not going to withdraw from any of their routes so Mango will remain at 4 a/c.:ugh:

[moonshine707]

Hi Deskjockey I can see ur an SAA loyaltie, but explain to us why your precious SAA did not stick to their original proposed bussiness plan for Mongo, by expanding Mango the way they said they would , their behind by 4 a/c thusfar, or is there a nother BS justification for this in your leadership explanation as well, plse dont sound like Schack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[moonshine707]

:) I have to side with Jetnut on his view's, sound like a sober man with insight, must agree that DJ is defendig SAA to the last man standing. Sad but stupid :uhoh::uhoh::ok:

[moonshine707]

:eek: OH yes DJ just to provoke your utmost sincere oppinion, I heard that Mango had to adjust their brilliant low prices to break even, Im sure Mr Novic's visit to the Mango office would not reflect on Nico Bezuidenhout's arrogance. Afterall Mr Novick is a descend man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[reptile]

moonshine......are you chatting to yourself? :sad: