Zoom UK

[CanExpat]

Hello all

Does anyone have any information on whether Zoom UK are taking any non-767/57 TR guys and if so what the package is like for FO's.

I have tried the search function before I get shot down on that one and couldn't find any info.

All the Best
CanExpat

[FlyingOW]

Hi CanExpat:

Zoom's website and Flight International both show that Zoom are indeed hiring FOs for their future route expansion from LGW to the US, see below:

http://www.flyzoom.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspCareer

http://www.flightglobal.com/Jobs/2007/02/07/1454442/first-officer.html

I too am wondering about their Ts&Cs. Anybody have any info on aircraft Reg/ destinations/ License requirements (apart from those listed on the web)?

Currently rated on the B763ER, CATII/III and ETOPS qualified but alas no JAA license, well not just yet anyway, only lowly FAA and DGAC tickets.;)

Regards,

OW

[CanExpat]

Thanks OW

Alas, no B75/767 TR only B733-9 European short/medium haul on a JAR ATPL with dual Can/GB Nationality.

I'd seen the website and heard they were thinking of a MAN base for the B767just wondering if anyone had information on recruitment and T&Cs for non rated guys.

All the Best
CE

[Puritan]

Rumour has it that a good many of Astraeus' B757/767 rated pilots already have their name in the hat for jobs with Zoom UK.... indeed rumour has it there's enough of them to crew at least 1 (and maybe 2) more B767.

This is hardly surprising when you think that the basic salary for a Captain with Zoom UK starts at £75k (and add on to that the 'duty pay'... which then probably takes the package to over £80k pa).
Nb. Zoom UK's basic salary alone is actually a few thousand £'s more than the top salary available following years of long service at Astraeus.

4 of Astraeus' senior Captains have resigned to go to Zoom UK - and to my knowledge 2 were not B767 type-rated (alebit I suspect they are likely to be a rare exception to the rule of 'type-rated only' wherein in they all have a host of other skills and are already well known to the top-level management at Zoom UK).

[wee one]

This is on good authority, ie a horses mouth....valid as at jan 07
First a/c ex air europe in may , second in october, third to follow. Man base a couple of years off. First two crewed up but 10 f/os needed as of early jan.
Some of the start up team given type ratings, the rest need to be qualified purely due to the large pool of qualified mates and colleagues of the start up team wanting to join. Definately a good job on paper but time will tell. I dont think outsiders will really appreciate the potentialy cliquish nature of the start up team and first intakes, particularly if the wunderkind training team try to re-invent the wheel ,longhaul wise.That usually pisses of the luddites, who will then throw their toys out and voila, Zoom is suddenly subjected to assassination. (See gsm thead for example)
Not a dig just an opinion.:ok:

[FlyingOW]

Puritan:

Any info on FO salary/allowances/per diem, etc......much appreciated.

Wee One:

Will a/c be G-reg? No mention of JAA license, just B767 rating, with preferably ETOPS qualifications and british residency.........I figured they would be C-reg and pilots would be flying on some kind of validation/ waiver as happens here in Latina America with companies operating on N-reg a/c.........am I wrong?

CExpat:

Give it a shot anyway........as far as I know there is a shortage of B757/767 pilots in europe at the mo.........just look at Flt International, lots of jobs around for 757/767 guys and nobody taking them up!!! It s just a matter of time before they offer contracts to non-type rated guys. Just hopefully not before I get a shot...;) .

Regards,

OW

[757manipulator]

The aircraft are "G" reg, therefore a JAA license is required.

Wee one, the whole Clique thing is no better or worse than any other small(ish) operators.

:ok:

[FlyingOW]

Ok, that throws a spanner in the works, though there is the validation option as stated by LASORS 2007. Seem to remember there being many Brazilians at Ryan on validated licenses with the condition that they complete JAA conversion within one year (duration of validation). The validation was granted based on the rating held. Just have to figure out the process......

I should think that they would have stated "min. JAA CPL/ATPL required" if it was only their intention to hire JAA licensed guys. Neither Flt Int or Zoom web site make any mention of this.

Best of luck to all those interested in applying.

OW

[757manipulator]

I should think that they would have stated "min. JAA CPL/ATPL required" if it was only their intention to hire JAA licensed guys. Neither Flt Int or Zoom web site make any mention of this.


Its probably because they dont have to....after all what use is an ICAO license in a JAA country? given that it stipulates you have to satisfy UK residency requirements.

Seem to remember there being many Brazilians at Ryan on validated licenses with the condition that they complete JAA conversion within one year (duration of validation).

that would be the Irish authority happily accepting all takers, and RYR being generous with their contracts...or should I say desperate.
You can convert an ICAO license to a nationally held ATPL..which effectively means you can fly aircraft registered in that "validated" country. You do however require a company to sponser you aka RYR..something I doubt Zoom will do for you.

[Heffer]

It would be interesting to hear more on the business model.

BA alone fly 8 times daily LHR-JFK with tickets next week from £268.60rtn inclusive or Virgin LHR-EWR for 20p more!

I think only Delta presently offer LGW-JFK direct.

[wee one]

757m
Absolutely agree with you. The talking head i met was a thorougly nice chap and it seems like a great job, but Im a cynic with no ears so the rose tinted glasses wont stay on.
Alas some of the job hopping 767 experts may not take kindly to young fresh ideas from newly rated bosses. After all thats usually why they have moved on previously. The regiment is always out of step for some.:ok:

[757manipulator]

It would be interesting to hear more on the business model.

BA alone fly 8 times daily LHR-JFK with tickets next week from £268.60rtn inclusive or Virgin LHR-EWR for 20p more!

I think only Delta presently offer LGW-JFK direct.

I'm lead to believe that the standard return is likely to be pitched at around the £220.00 including surcharges etc. Obviously the premium seating will attract mayby another £150.00 onto this, but this beats world traveller plus.
I suspect these won't be a promotional prices, but the day to day level, give or take etc.

Not bad to JFK from LGW, less hassle than LHR, and with a lunch time/early afternoon depature, I reckon they have a pretty reasonable product to offer.

[smith]

Don't see any LGW-JFK flights on the web-site, seems to be just all canadian destinations.

[MAX]

A friend of mine got the 'no thankyou' letter from Zoom.

Despite having a few thousand hours 767 with Etops.

Good luck.

MAX:cool:

[EXECUTE]

Don't see any LGW-JFK flights on the web-site, seems to be just all canadian destinations.
The flights are not being marketed yet.
A friend of mine got the 'no thankyou' letter from Zoom.
Despite having a few thousand hours 767 with Etops.
Good luck.

As a start-up airline, Zoom (UK) I'm sure will be looking for pilots with skills far beyond a rating and hours on type, that can be used in other areas of the operation to assist and ensure a successful launch.
....as far as I know there is a shortage of B757/767 pilots in europe at the mo.........just look at Flt International, lots of jobs around for 757/767 guys and nobody taking them up!!! It s just a matter of time before they offer contracts to non-type rated guys. Just hopefully not before I get a shot..
There a quite a number of 75/76 rated pilots around / or moving between airlines at the moment...............

[PPRuNeUser0215]

A friend of mine got the 'no thankyou' letter from Zoom.
Despite having a few thousand hours 767 with Etops.
Good luck.
MAX
Your friend is very busy looking for a change these days ;). Do I know him :ok: :D ?

[MAX]

AMEX,
You might know of him/her. ;)
As a start-up airline, Zoom (UK) I'm sure will be looking for pilots with skills far beyond a rating and hours on type, that can be used in other areas of the operation to assist and ensure a successful launch.

You are probably right. But they applied for a F/O position. Not operations director. I was just giving an indication that they might be looking for high-ish hours experience.

Once again, good luck to all applying.

MAX:cool:

[757manipulator]

You are probably right. But they applied for a F/O position. Not operations director. I was just giving an indication that they might be looking for high-ish hours experience.

Given that they are still a small outfit, without aircraft, and not even operational, I would think the term "face fits" would be an accurate description.
Perhaps there is a clique of sorts :)

[wee one]

Ah the joys of cynicism.:E

[MAX]

the term "face fits"

Can Zoom actually tell if your face fits without an interview? :ouch:

Sounds like jobs for the boys.

MAX:cool:

[wee one]

Jobs for the boys...never.
I thought it was normal for the head of traing in a new outfit to fly the type for the first time:confused:

[757manipulator]

I thought it was normal for the head of traing in a new outfit to fly the type for the first time

Geez :E its starting to resemble AEU more and more each day!

[kotakota]

Dear Max, Wee One , and 757 cobblers,

Not sure what your agenda is , but it sounds a bit bitter to me ?
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation. The fact that they are also bloody good peeps is a huge bonus.
What is wrong with employing people you have known, and trusted, for years ?
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.Thousands of hours on various other types doing ETOPS etc makes a new type rating a non-event.
Sadly I am too 'madala/mzee' now to get in ,but if I had a 757/767 rating I would be knocking on the door.
Somethings are more important than money , and job satisfaction is one of them , so join this company if you can - I wish I could.This could be the ultimate CRM airline. Watch this space............

[757manipulator]

Not sure what your agenda is , but it sounds a bit bitter to me ?
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation.

Kotakota, where in my posts have I uttered a bitter or agenda driven comment?

You know nothing about who I know, or indeed if I know the various individuals behind Zoom UK.

Bitter is not a word I would use to describe my comments, certainly guarded, or slightly cynical, but not bitter.

I happen to agree with you regarding training/experience quals, I was however pointing out the similarities to AEU, and what is wrong with that?

For what its worth, I believe companies such as Zoom and Oasis are the next growth area in aviation:)

[EXECUTE]

What is wrong with employing people you have known, and trusted, for years ?
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.
Here, here...I quite a agree. :D
Setting up an airline has a lot more to it than how many hours you have on the type of a/c they intend to fly. Those professionals involved in the start up team of Zoom are very highly regarded in the industry and very highly qualified to do the job (the pilot management have more ticks in their licences than most would see in a career - regardless of their assumed age or ability).
4 of Astraeus' senior Captains have resigned to go to Zoom UK - and to my knowledge 2 were not B767 type-rated (alebit I suspect they are likely to be a rare exception to the rule of 'type-rated only' wherein in they all have a host of other skills and are already well known to the top-level management at Zoom UK).I'm sure their previous airlines are missing them already. Also, many of them have a great deal of experience in setting up that particular airline.
Those of you with the cynical comments and negative attitude, why not show some support....Zoom could well be the place to be very soon, and you might just kick youself. :=

[MAX]

kotakota,

Sorry but did I miss something? Where in any of my posts have I slagged off Zoom or indeed their training dept.?

I suggest you go back and have re-read.

The original poster asked about recruitment without having a type rating. My answer was relevant especially as now they have re-advertised in 'Flight' for F/O's February 7th.

If my corresponding one liners were cynical? Get over it. I have repeatedly wished everyone good luck with their application.

MAX:cool:

[kotakota]

Firstly , sorry if I have offended anybody with my previous . I did have a readback as ordered and may have overreacted.
However, perhaps the offendees might do likewise ? Phrases that leap out include 'jobs for the boys' ,'clique' and 'face fits ' etc . Action -reaction.
It appears to me as disapproval of Zoom Uks method of recruitment.

Safe flying and SOPs
KK

[NYC]

Hi folks,

didn't intend to interupt your discussion, but has anyone further information about the F/O package (salary, days off, leave,...)???

Thx

[757manipulator]

Any update on how all this is progressing?

News on the bush telegraph has gone a bit quiet, I understand Delta are kicking up a stink, but has this affected the commencement of services?

[Flying Mechanic]

does Zoom consider pilots with Canadian ATPL, with right of abode in UK for 757/767 slots? I don t have the 1500 on a/c over 30 tonnes to get the validation? I heard they are looking again.

[wee one]

I understand the recruitment policy has been refined somewhat.
It would appear now that the policy for f/os is to ring around the ex aae guys at XL who are unhappy or just seriel moaners, shoot the sh1t about how great things were at aae (yawn)and offer them jobs. Great tactics. Great phsycology .Let a few whinging wanabe capts or permanant whingers(had their chance in some cases) think theyve been headhunted by this years hot stuff. In one case it would be thier 6th job change in 7 years
Get them into the right seat of a/c 3, promise commands asap, and then leave them to rot.
If you aint Ashtrays or TC boys club you aint getting any new left seats in its current manifestation and leadership.If you couldnt at xl you wont at zoom. Its not the industry its you. Enjoy boys....and girls, Bad point career wise to be starting again.
Cynical ...definately. Sad to see them go ...not
Zoom great Idea...usual uk bullsh1t:ok:

Flame on.

[Pontious]

Get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Wee One?

[wee one]

........yep....:}