Capt Al Haynes would be proud of this

[trashie]

Incredible recovery of a King Air which demonstates some great flying skills and the aircraft's robust nature.
http://www.kfvs12.com/ (http://tinyurl.com/ysflgv)

[Capn Bloggs]

Apart from a rather DaB video, one has to ask why they went unconcious and fell 20k!

"Oh just wait for the investigation will ya?!"

[Chimbu chuckles]

I remember Kingairs being reasonably idiot proof...but I guess you can still take off with the bleeds off if you try hard enough.

Even stupid people can be REALLY lucky....in fact stupid people are often some of the luckiest people you meet:}

[VH-Cheer Up]

Chimbu

The voiceover only talks about the windshield cracking causing the sudden depressurisation, can you explain how do you know that's because bleed was off?

I'm guesing the FDR will be more helpful to the investigators than the CVR...

"Crack... Doh! Zzz... Huh? Whoa, whassup?"

VHCU

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a Beechcraft, doesn't it? They must be kinda hard to break!

FTDC:cool:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Sorry I couldn't listen to it because my MAC wouldn't read it...I assumed when I shouldn't have...still if the window cracked and it depressed why didn't they put their oxy masks on?

They passed out so either the plane didn't pressurise or the oxy system was depleted or they didn't pull the little T handle to turn on the oxy or...?

[trashie]

From Curt Lewis

"Windshield Failure Results In Dramatic King Air B200 Emergency


According to media reports, the aircraft experienced a partial failure of
the windshield at an altitude well in excess of 20,000 feet, creating a
spider web type of failure ont he windshield and the decompression of the
cabin. Media reports also suggest that the flight crew lost consciousness
of, and/or control of the aircraft, resulting in some mode of control
recovery below 10,000 feet (reported as 7000 feet by at least one media
outlet). The aircraft subsequently executed an emergency landing at Cape
Girardeau Regional Airport in Missouri.

Examination of the video (seen in the attached screen captures), shot by
KFVS, which also caught the fairly uneventful emergency landing, reveals the
loss of most of the horizontal stabilizer and elevator assemblies, wrinkled
and bent main wings and a windshield that was nearly useless, visually, due
to pervasive spiderweb-style cracking throughout its surface. Statements
attributed to the pilots (who left the area by rental car, shortly after
landing), indicated that they regained control of the aircraft below 10,000
feet where the aircraft was involved in a steep vertical descent and (then)
not under positive control. The subsequent recovery created severe stresses
on the aircraft and the wrinkling and bending evident in pictures of the
wing suggests that aircraft was stressed in a manner not too far form the
ultimate structural yield point.

The flight crew was identified as Pilot Sheldon Stone and co-pilot Adam
Moore who indicated that emergency oxygen equipment failed when they
attempted to use it. Despite that, they regained functional consciousness
after descending some 20,000 feet. Pilot Stone told local media that "We
were both getting drunk really fast. I remember thinking, really slowly,
'Hey, I'm not getting any oxygen, what's wrong here?' But I was so loony
already at that point I couldn't even solve the problem if it could be
solved. I just sort of thought to myself, 'I've got to hurry,' but
everything was fading."

[bond7]

Amazin!!...Has a pilot i hav to credit this guyz for bringin this bird to land safely. We all know how nerve rackin this can b to any pilot even the most experienced!!
Call it luck! I must say this two pilots did an amazin job!! :ok:

[gaunty]

Don't want to be a hard arse here but I'd be really interested top hear in what way the Crew Emergency 02 failed.

If it works on the ground as part of the pre fight check???

How old were the masks and fittings.??

[das Uber Soldat]

Interesting damage to the aircraft, wonder what G loading and airspeed they achieved during the descent.

Bond7: you appear to be missing quite a few keys on your keyboard, i'd look into that if I were you.

[gaunty]

trashie
It came out in the Coronial on the so called Kingair "Ghost Flight" from Perth to Qld that there was no Maintenance call up for inspection of the O2 system or testing of the baro's that control the Cabin Alt warning light or mask drop down from the date of manufacture of the aircraft. There is now, at least in Oz?? Neither if I recall correctly was there a requirement for a routine maintenance check of the condition of the masks. As some of these aircraft are rising 30years old the condition of the hoses, connectors and masks are not unlike that of the regimental condom after a Saturday night leave pass.:rolleyes: At least some of the ones I've seen over the years.:eek:

[Torres]

The O2 system in the Kingair "Ghost Flight" aircraft, VH-SKC, was installed new in July 1987 (when the aircraft came on the Australian register, previously RP-C200) and religiously maintained until at least the mid 1990's when it was sold. I don't recall details, but as the aircraft was a very early serial number, I seem to recal the O2 system was manually armed and manually activated and as a result the aircraft limited to FL240.

[Defenestrator]

Check this out. It's pretty wild.

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1213165&h1=Emergency%20Landing&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=223734&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D6037091&rnd=21882219

[Howard Hughes]

There seems to be an echo in here, isn't that how the whole thread started Defenestrator?;)

[tail wheel]

A second thread was started. I moved the post into here and closed the second thread with a re-direct.

[Howard Hughes]

It all becomes clear...:ok:

[sir.pratt]

i can't see how a cracked windscreen like that would cause a rapid depress. a blow out yes, but cracking? 20000ft in just over a minute is only around 180-200kts. and decending 20000ft to regain conciousness and control? how high were they? well done on getting it down in one-ish piece.

the incident report is going to make for very interesting reading....

[Capt Fathom]

From AINalerts 6th Feb.

King Air Survives Structural Damage

On February 2, Super King Air B200 N777AJ survived an uncontrolled descent and structural damage after the inner ply of the windshield cracked at 27,000 feet and the pilots depressurized the airplane and disconnected the autopilot. According to the NTSB, the crew was unable to use the oxygen system and evidently lost consciousness. They revived below 10,000 feet, managed to recover control of the aircraft and made an emergency landing at Cape Girardeau, Mo. The horizontal stabilizer, elevators and wings were severely damaged. The King Air windshield is in two parts with Mylar in between, said the NTSB, and the crack first appeared in the lower corner of the inner layer of the left-hand windshield. Flown by pilot Sheldon Stone and copilot Adam Moore, the turboprop twin left Rogers Municipal Carter Field, Ark., at 8:39 a.m., en route to Shenandoah Regional Airport, Va., after an earlier flight from Arkadelphia, Ark., home base of the airplane. Built in 1998, the airplane is registered to and operated by Horizon Timber Services. The NTSB found that the oxygen system functioned when tested on February 5.

[Howard Hughes]

They depressurised before they went on Oxy?

Where did they get that from?

From the B200 QRH: Cracked or shattered windscreen.

Preface:The following procedure should be used when one or more cracks occur in the inner or outer ply windshield. The procedure is also applicable if the windshield shatters. This usually occurs in the inner ply and is characterised by a multitude of cracks which will likely obstruct the crew members vision and may produce small particles or flakes of glass that can break free of the windshield.

1. Altitude maintain 25,000 FT or less, if possible!
2. (a)Pressurisation Controller reset. Suggested pressure diff 2.0-4.6 (4.6 will supply 10,500 FT cabin at 25,000FT)
(b)Before Landing Depressurise cabin prior to touch down.

Two questions, why not follow the approved procedure? Secondly was it only one window which cracked or both? If it was undamaged why not let the First Officer fly?

Surely the first action in any aircraft where the integrity of the aircraft hull is at stake, would be to don your oxy mask, not disconnect the autopilot and depressurise the cabin......

PS: My bolding.

[Defenestrator]

Sorry didn't realise that it was posted already. Again......sorry

[gaunty]

Defenestrator hmmm; very eponymous in this case:} ya wanna fess up about your whereabouts on the day in question:E :p

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Used to pax in a B200 that used to have that happen quite regularly. Charlie at Norfolk Island Airlines and seem to remember KTE got it once or twice. Checked the pics on the current AVweb news and it is exactly the same as experienced. Never saw it happen but flew many hours staring at the screen. Unnerving to look at:eek:

Methinks the pilot has not many hours on type to not have witnessed it before. However, if having never seen it before it would surely lead to a panic that your world is about to explode.

AVWEB pictures (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/800-full.html#194375)

[Night Hawk]

I've had a Cracked or shattered windscreen in a B200 and it was at FL260. :eek: Couldn't see out of the screen at all. Ended up landing from the Co pilot's side. (Single Pilot ops)
Followed the POH i.e 1. Altitude maintain 25,000 FT or less, if possible!
2. (a)Pressurisation Controller reset. Suggested pressure diff 2.0-4.6 (4.6 will supply 10,500 FT cabin at 25,000FT)
(b)Before Landing Depressurise cabin prior to touch down.
HH, you sitting on the manual??:rolleyes:
The aircraft didn't depressurised even though it was the inner pane. I believe both panes have to fail for that to happen. O2 masks on for all but they weren't required. Bits of glass were breaking off and falling into my lap on approach. :mad:
Something else must have really gone bang or to have two panes go at once, thats a bad day!!! :ugh:

[Torres]

Ahhh. Norfolk Island Airlines........ :E Memories of art galleries and Conquests in ditches at Brissy airport. :}

One of the NIA 200s was the highest time King Air in the world with external doublers over the pressure bulk head joints - was that KTE?

[OZBUSDRIVER]

That would be IBC, Torres. There was talk at the time that Charlie was going to the Smithsonian because of her hours in service. KTE was purchased by the gent up at TWB. She was the one that pancaked out at Adavale. A sad day that:(

IBC, IBD, KTE and IBE. that was before all the takeovers and corporate shenanigans. Think they got Advance's kingair as well as all the garbage from Codair. (Bet that name makes you shiver:E )

[Torres]

Memories flood back! :} Wonder where Colin is these days? Well I remember Archie and Adavale. And the Advance accident at Sydney.

And the day the right side pilot window cracked in the "Ghost Flight" VH-SKC, went off like a gun shot, significantly increasing the pukka factor! :} :}

Over 20 years ago. Must be getting old!! :{

[Capt Fathom]

KTE was the ex Katie's machine wasn't it.

I had some friends at Coddies' toward the end of their reign, and from what I heard, it was well run and they were very happy there.
The guys were flying Queenairs, Barons, C421, and they had a MU2 & B200 on crosshire.

They obviously had Norfolk bluffed if they bought 'em out!

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Capt Fathom, affirm on KTE.

Coddair (that looks better on the spelling) in the early eighties were a bit rough and rugged. However, we were getting flown into some pretty basic strips.

Torres, only knew Newsho and Siffo at NFI. Yep, twenty-seven years ago for me.

Back on the screens. They used to fail so regularly that they were replaced under warranty at the time.

[Richo]

Also have had a pilot side windshield shatter in a B200.

In this case it was the outer pane, shattered in vertical lines all the way across.

from sitting right behind it, you really cant tell its only one pane that cracked, well except the obvoious that it has not come in on you.

We were at 24000 with heavy ice on the aircraft, the cabin press did start coming up, slowly at first but it became a real rush when the power levers were reduced for the descent. On Oxy from 19000 down to 8000. The cabin got to about 16000. pseudo emerg descent, with the autopilot on.

Had already activated the pax Oxy system, so did not get to see the auto system function.

Same as night hawk, ended up flying and landing from the right hand seat.
Oxy system worked just fine, but it was checked every day on the pre-flight.

Still quite an experiance.



The damage to the B200 in the pics is quite reminicant of a certian C441 in Darwin a few years back.

Richo

[Defenestrator]

Defenestrator hmmm; very eponymous in this case ya wanna fess up about your whereabouts on the day in question

Eponymous......what the hell does that mean..LMAO. Wasn't my bag baby. Just thought it was pretty cool footage. Homage to the lads and lasses that build the beech.

D:ok:

[psycho joe]

Wow....a $500 gas card from Ford Groves. :D

[bushy]

I've seen two cracked King Air windscreens, and they are very convincing, but these were not much more than a very expensive nuisance.
Our King Airs had a quick don, demand oxygen system which made oxygen available immediately. But it was necessary to turn the bottle on before takeoff, as it was outside the pressure hull and the mechanism would freeze if at all damp.

[Capt Wally]

.................amazing story without doubt & yes the B200 is built like a brick Sh*t house but if a planned emerg descent was conducted for whatever reason at the recommended speed of 180 kts, well 181 kts to be exact power idle, approach flap extended, pitch full fine & gear down (that's the limiting speed actually for an emerg descent, the U/C limitations, app flaps limits out at 200 kts) there would be noway that the airframe could sustain that much damage at the above IAS, those poor buggers came down obviously out of control in some format but saved the day in the end, well done, remind me to practice flt with the pitch unavailable!
The shattered screen is a common problem (had one myself at 31000 ft in a B200) but shouldn't under normal circumstances ( if ya can call it that! ) need a descent outside of what's in the airplanes POH under those conditions, still stranger things have happened in aviation, the pilots are above ground & vertical, that's all that counts anyway:-).

capt wally :-)

[rjtjrt]

Look at the aeroplane and how it handles

http://www.kfvs.com/Global/SearchRe...ergency+landing

[JimmyReeves]

The link doesn't seem to be working.

[Cloud Cutter]

Try this, although I still couldn't get the video to play (http://www.kfvs.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?qu=emergency+landing+arkansas)

[ABX]

I assume that most of the damage to the a/c was caused by the "free fall" (overspeed & overstress?).

Is there a chance of birdstrike (eagle?) at FL270?

Seems that the King Air is pretty well designed and made to survive the episode, well done Beechcraft and the pilots for a successful emergency landing.

[Croqueteer]

:confused: I think anyone who has done anoxia training in a decompression chamber will tell you how quickly you lose the plot at 20,000ft, never mind 27,000.

[rjtjrt]

Sorry about the link.
This is the link
http://www.kfvs.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?qu=emergency+landing

and select 1. Emergency Landing