Executive Jet Group caution

[Paradise Lost]

I have been reprimanded by several colleagues for not posting a warning on PpruNe about the above company, which I wish to emphasise has nothing to do with the similarly named Executive Jet Charter Ltd.
EJG Ltd are based at a West London military airfield operating an F900 and a G4. They frequently trawl the market for experienced 900 drivers. However desperate you are, I strongly advise you to avoid this company as it will only end in tears. I have won the legal round, but not the war......yet!!!

[south coast]

Perhaps you might like to tell us why to avoid them?

[Paradise Lost]

Have to be careful how I phrase this....You will be expected to operate to some unusual FTLs which may render you liable to prosecution in the event of a ramp check, and the probability of getting paid for any work is in my experience highly unlikely!!!

[LGW Vulture]

Is that the lot that are owned by a certain JE - am I HEADing in the right direction?
If so, I've heard some very nasty tales! :uhoh:

[Paradise Lost]

LGW Vulture, what a perceptive bird of prey you turned out to be....

[themoonsaballoon]

oh monsuir you are wrong EJG is how you say very nice company! I laugh at your little FTL rules we are Martini boys any time any place anywhere!

[NuName]

What's a "monsuir"?:ooh:

[Zeldamay]

You guys give good advice - wish i had read it before I went to work for them! Why has this company not been closed down - they are so corrupt!! You are right what you say - no matter how desperate you get DO NOT work for these ........

[bizjetbus]

I checked their website and they are advertising for crew now. 1500 hrs on type for Captains so I guess they are not that desperate for crew...?

Sorry to hear you guys are owed money though and thanks for spreading the word! Will stay clear!

bjb

[His dudeness]

I´d think they bet on the crews being desperate for a job...

This thread is quite old, somehow someone must be flying their airplanes...so how bad are they really?

[Kelly Hopper]

'Looks like it's not only their management who are diseased. 'Just tried to take a look at their website and my anti virus software stopped me as there is a trojan just waiting for the unprotected! Beware.

[Flintstone]

...so how bad are they really?


The three people I know who have worked for them (two pilots, one cabin crew) are all owed money after over at least a year and are resorting to legal action to recover it. All three of them tell me of other colleagues who are also owed pay and expenses.

So I'd say, pretty bad.

[twinjetter]

Kelly Hopper - Was this the aerofinance website? If so, I think you'll agree that it's pretty well hidden for a supposedly commercial company.

I recently had a career TCAS moment with EJG (I was close to signing up); I got a self-generated Advisory when things didn't fit well with what I was seeing, so I dug further.

The Resolution I received from friends, colleagues, strangers (thanks PPRuNe), was as suggested in the above posts; only with evidence to back it up.

Glad I pulled out before I got stung like so many others have. I've seen companies come and go, but never have I seen such unanimous vitriol aimed at one operator; there's a lot of smoke, so I'm guessing there's a great big bonfire somewhere therein.

TWJ

[Honest John]

I have had personal dealings with this lot in the past, worst outfit around without doubt, they respect no rule or reg and hide behind 'private' operation, now they have bought an AOC with Alsair in France, I hope DGAC does its homework!
The man behind it all (JE) listens to no one and treats his crew with contempt, he will fire you for a hard landing!
Think long and hard before joining

[CaptainProp]

From the Alsair website:

"Alsair is one of the rare companies whose pilots take refresher courses on flight simulators, to ensure maximum safety." :ok:

CP

[Flintstone]

Latest word on the man behind it all is that he was medevac'ed somewhere in a serious condition recently. If he curls up his toes will it become easier or harder to get the money out of his estate? Isn't everything in other people's names anyway?

[Paradise Lost]

Doesn't look like much has changed in the last 2 years does it? Leopards, spots and desperate frenchmen all spring to mind! The only advice that I can really give to all victims is.........."do not compound your losses by resorting to expensive legal action".

[Rusty Trombone]

Lots of talk about these people, understand they have a GIV/GV/DA900 and GEX.
What seems to be the biggest issue, getting paid? or lack of adherence.

[Zeldamay]

Hi Rusty,

Huge Problem Pilots and F/A's not getting Paid. To date 4 Pilots and 6 Flight Attendants all owed A LOT of money. EXECUTIVE JET GROUP could have nipped all this in the bud. They do business with very BAD EGGS and as a result and through sheer GREED are themselves a VERY BAD EGG.

All is indeed very NEWS Worthy. I would Also like to say that anyone considering using this company for possible Charter should seriously RECONSIDER. From an insiders point of view - putting pressure on pilots to do 22 hour duty days is a RECIPE for Disaster - and yes I SAW IT AND it was UGLY. They also sub charter - so you may not be fully insured - they rake in the cash by not paying crew and i'm guessing but it is more than likely probably insurance. NICE.

But on the postive side the Boss of EJG donates millions to whichever government is in office. While owning half a dozen private jets he is also the UK Prime Minister’s Special Representative on Deforestation and Clean Energy! Needless to say Irony is not a word in his dictionary.
Need I say more? You are beginning to get an idea of how this company works.

All the best.

[Zeldamay]

I wonder what has happened to Executive Jet (UK) Group Ltd?

There is no longer a website.

Congratulations guys we have obviously done a VERY GOOD job of SHAMING them into OBLIVION. Let's hope they do not reappear in this world again under a different name. If they do please let me know so we can all

AVOID AVOID AVOID!!!!!

[FLEXJET]

New name : Alsair

Alsair - Compagnie Arienne (http://www.alsair.com)

J-L C. is the boss there. Alsair is an old airline which used to operate a C550, KA90/200s or a B1900D, but with a new vision and manager...

[LGW Vulture]

FLEXJET - are you sure these are one and the same??????
:=

[FLEXJET]

Yes Sir, F- registrations have been reserved for Falcon 900 sn 1 and 5 and for a Falcon 10 and Global Express sn 9005.

Again, J-L C. at the controls. He is Alsair manager since last summer.

[Zeldamay]

News is just out that the infamous private jet company Executive Jet (UK) Group Ltd has changed address . Executive Jet(UK) have left a wake of unpaid bills to crew and have moved a few doors up the road!!! Both Alsair and Executive Jet (UK) Ltd are now at 77 South Audley Street London whereas Executive Jet (UK) Ltd was at 71 South Audley Street, London. They filed for change of address on 30th May 2009.
They may be one and the same company??? Best to avoid both as the managing director has an "adverse record" of past business on his file - and his present is looking even more gloomier!

This company has a history of bad debt! AVOID.

They can RUN But they can't hide!!!!!!!

[FLEXJET]

I saw recently that F900 s/n 005 and Global Express s/n 9005 were offered for lease... Maybe a change of direction already?

[themoonsaballoon]

G-HMEV has been leased before while registered N905FJ for 12 months,
TMAB

[baloo1]

What Happened With Ejg? Here In The States The Words Are Spreading About Them, Are They Really Bad? Are They Doing Dangerous Flights? Illegal Ones? Need To Know

[FLEXJET]

I am not sure if EJG still operates N618WF as it is listed under a different company with Eurocontrol but on November 16th, and after a first attempt around August 24th with the same aircraft, N618WF (Global Express cn 9005) was used to fly Victor Bout from Bangkok to New York HPN with a stop in Chania LGSA, Greece.

Illegal transfer according to Russian FM Lavrov. Was it dangerous? Not really as everything was under control: :cool: (see below picture of the aircraft in Bangkok)
http://majimbokenya.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/thai-police-commando-stand-guard-for-security-in-front-of-a-private-jet-before-alleged-russian-arms-trafficker-viktor-bout-boards-at-don-muang-airport-in-bangkok.jpg


baloo1, is that what you heard about?

[Slack Jo]

Exercise extreme caution in any dealings with this company.
This operation is worse than has previously been suggested.
If you wish to preserve your integrity, professionalism and licence then avoid at all costs.

[fizzzz]

Jo Slack, obviously you know this company very well ;)

[FLEXJET]

another fun operation is GV N886DT seized in Goma, Congo, for alleged gold smugling, on Feb 3rd...

[fizzzz]

Surprise!
The 900's has also been operated for years in the same area...

[Perfidious Albion]

Does this guy have any connection to Executive Jet Group ME? Anyone know what they are like to work for?