Skyairworld!

[Shredder6]

Anyone know anything more about this crowd?

http://www.skyairworld.com/

Looking for crew on their EMB170/190s according to the AFAP website.

[meagain]

Are there ANY EMB 170 endorsed pilots in Australia. ??
Are there ANY EMB 170/190's in Australia at the moment???
Sorry if I sound ignorant but was just wondering.:uhoh:

[gas-chamber]

No and highly unlikely.

May be some Oz pilots overseas with the rating that want to take a gamble on a new start up.

If they are buying new surely the manufacturer throws in half a dozen ratings per purchase?

[Kransky]

Captains $130k FO $75k. Less than the proposed VB agreement (if that gets legs). FO also less than the normal 60-65% of Captain. Basic agreement, no loss of license and some of the other things you get at other places. Have talked to non-rated guys with jet time. On the plus side, its a job in Oz. Its a startup and if it does well the guys that take the risk will go far, who dares wins etc. If not there are other jobs. VB will pay more with better conditions, OzJet pay the same for beat up old 737-200. Definitely a Brisbane base. Wouldn't be surprised if they turned up in Perth as well. Drivers? Plenty of aussies here that would be tempted, depends on the money.

[guest27]

..... Definitely a Brisbane base......

Are you sure about that?

Guest27

[Blue Ruin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Air_World

[Blue Ruin]

Sky Air World
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sky Air World is a charter airline that will be based in Brisbane, Australia. It will provides a range of services and plans to do charter work for the Australian military, mining companies, tourism operators as well as wet-leases for other carriers, particularly airlines in the South Pacific.

History
Sky Air World plans to launch operations in May 2007 with one EMB 170 on operating lease, CEO David Charlton told ATI in Singapore, where he was meeting with Embraer and GECAS. The deal being worked on is for four aircraft and the delivery schedule calls for an EMB 170 to be delivered first followed by an EMB 190, another EMB 190 and lastly another EMB 170. Sky Air World also considered Fokker 100s which are relatively cheap to purchase or lease but Charlton says he decided on Embraer because the Brazilian aircraft maker’s regional jet aircraft are newer, more fuel efficient and have more range.
Have a principal investor in the United Kingdom and other smaller investors and have raised enough capital to fund operations for “a number of years”.

Services
Sky Air World’s aircraft will have the range, for example, to offer non-stop services from Brisbane to destinations in Queensland, the Northern Territory and many destinations in Western Australia whereas other regional jet operators might only be able to offer two-stop services because of range limitations.
It plans to also eventually have bases in Perth and possibly Auckland in New Zealand. Perth is the capital of Western Australia which is home to a large number of mining companies and Auckland is arguably the major international gateway to the South Pacific.

Fleet
The Sky Air World fleet will consists of the following aircraft:
2 EMB 170
2 EMB 190

[The Bunglerat]

Excuse my ignorance, but if SkyAirWorld's target market is in mining/resources & high capacity charter, isn't this market already becoming saturated with the likes of Alliance and others?

Whilst I've heard nothing but rave reviews for the Jungle Jet, having the latest brand spanking new toy won't be the answer without a strong business model and serious cash reserves behind it. In comparison, the Fokker 100's may not have the latest bells and whistles or longer legs of the Embraer, but they do the job well enough - and they're already here.

As has been suggested already, gambling on a start-up in an already crowded market is a risky move indeed - but then fortune always favours the brave. And the E170/190 is definitely a nice bit of kit, no doubt about it.

[Moniker]

Forgive me, but isn't this bunch somehow connected to the already established Strategic Aviation?

As for experience, If my guess is right, there is an ex Alliance Ops person within the fold, with a wealth of experience at this game.

[Icarus2001]

gambling on a start-up in an already crowded market is a risky move indeed - but then fortune always favours the brave.mmmmm tell that to Brian Grey, Paul Stoddart, Freddie Laker (rip)...

[VelvetHammer]

Just to add to the mix of thought. Have had contact with SkyAirWorld recently and it seems some of the above info may not be accurate. It is very difficult to get much info on this crowd as they are keeping their cards very close to their chest. Suspect that this is for commercial reasons.
There appears to be no connection with Alliance or Strategic other than a strong desire by many of their staff to join the new firm. Sensible folk will realise that using old,slow,unreliable aircraft and doing an ok job simply doesn't cut the mustard at contract renewal time.
As for the business model I believe that it is one of the best to be put forward in Oz aviation and there are whispers that General Electric is behind these guys.
The conditions that I was offered are in excess of VB's conditions even if the EBA does get up and it included all of the features that enjoy now (LOL, conditions of service,per diems,etc) plus the opportunity to work with some very experienced aviators. They told me the pilots that they have already hired are 10,000 hour Boeing and Airbus widebody pilots who have left lucrative jobs to join them. Between that and the fact that the company is paying for the endorsement and providing high end travel and accommodation suggests to me that there might be more to this newby than meets the eye.
I guess if you ask the questions you get the answers!

[jack red]

VelvetHammer, you say, “It is very difficult to get much info on this crowd as they are keeping their cards very close to their chest.”, yet you have established:
1. “their business model is one of the best to be put forward in Oz aviation and there are whispers that General Electric is behind these guys”.
2. “The conditions offered are in excess of VB's conditions”.
3. “The pilots that they have already hired are all 10,000 hour Boeing and Airbus widebody pilots who have left lucrative jobs to join.”
4. “the company is paying for the endorsement and providing high end travel and accommodation.”
I say, damn good work obtaining that sort of info through “contact” with SkyAirWorld ………and a new poster as well !!!!!!!!!!!:E
...........but you have spoken with THEM (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254051) before ..................................haven't you?:ok:

[Magoodotcom]

………and a new poster as well !!!!!!!!!!!:E


What a cynical bunch you are! Look closer jack shi...oops...umm... jack red - VelvetHammer joined PPrune in Jul 2004, not the day after the thread opened!

Sheesh...:hmm:

Magoo

[jack red]

Cynical, cryptic.......lighten up guys, you're sounding a bit stressed out.

Magoo, I didn't say new joiner :ugh:

[No worries mate]

Here are some rumours I’ve heard regarding Skyairworld. Anyone care to comment about them.

Business plan written by the same pilot who wrote the business plan for OzJet.

The above pilot was flying as an FO with OzJet.

Backers are from the UK.

Their office will be located in the Hawker Pacific building at Brisbane.

AOC application has only just been submitted to CASA. Normal application process is 6 months.

First aircraft due late April, it will be an E170, previously operated by HKE.

[Magoodotcom]

Magoo, I didn't say new joiner

Silly me, how could I possibly get the two mixed up??? :rolleyes:


Business plan written by the same pilot who wrote the business plan for OzJet.
Business plan written by an ex-Army loggie who has several years in the charter game.
The above pilot was flying as an FO with OzJet.
Don't know, why does it matter?
Backers are from the UK.
Again, so?
Their office will be located in the Hawker Pacific building at Brisbane.
Yep
AOC application has only just been submitted to CASA. Normal application process is 6 months.
AOC submitted late November, due late April. Ops scheduled to start mid May.
First aircraft due late April, it will be an E170, previously operated by HKE.
First aircraft, an E-170 previously operated by HKE is due late Feb, will be painted in SAW colours early March, then used for training and route proving until ops commence. HKE are trading up to 737-700s while Hainan take E-190s.
Cheers
Magoo

[3 Holer]

If this Company pays for the rating and their T&Cs are in excess of Virgin Blue they will have no problems recruiting aircrew.

Good luck to them.

[Dog1]

Velvet,

You might want to have another look at the VB agreement that didn't get up... Do not take their word as to what VB would pay you... they gave me facts that were not entirely accurate. The command salary is on par with VB, the FO's isn't.

Also, be very careful about the T&C's. Sure the company and the T&C document is young, but that's no defence when you have to argue in court... I suggest a legal opinion would recommed extreme caution.

If you read other threads, E-Jet leases include training - the company isn't paying for it, GECAS or Embraer are. At the risk of diverting the thread... Why is it so strange that a company would pay???? Your expectations may be a little skewed.

Just to add more uncertainty, I have been told delivery of the first E170 in April, coming out of the paint shop in July. I have also heard that HKE aren't releasing it till May or June...

I don't want to talk you out of it, I just don't underestimate the power of denial... The uncertainty and the fact that they offered less than market salary was too much for me. Good luck though if you're brave enough, may fortune favour you all.

[No worries mate]

Magoodotcom,
The info I posted wasn't done to knock anyone or Skyairworld, just posting what I've heard.
But I do agree with The Bunglerat, it does appear the mining/resources & high capacity charter market is becoming saturated. We have NJS, SkyWest, Alliance, OzJet and Our Airline already operating with jets. OzJet is planing on adding B737-300/400's this year and Alliance have another 3 or 4 F100's coming. Skippers are about to add another Dash 8-300 plus there are rumours that both J*tcr@ft and M@c@ir are about to add ATR's to their fleets.
Our Airline is picking up a lot of Defence force work in their B737 and OzJet seems to be very busy with all the other long range charter work. NJS is still very busy with their 146's in WA, operating into some short strips. Alliance has just opened a base in Perth, operating runs for BHP and I believe they have just started operating into Treppell in QLD (also for BHP).
And then there is the question of the E-jets operating into the mining runways, with their underslung engines. The mining runways I flew into whilst in GA were very average, and we always suffered nicks on the props and chunks out of the tyres.
The E-jets looks like a great aircraft and it's good to see new aircraft operating in Australia, so I guess time will tell if it will work in the Australian Charter market.

[Break Right]

Can anyone confirm that one of the heads in the flt ops department is PB. Ex Emirates and VB. Very well respect individual and a wealth of experience.:ok:

[Cool banana]

Break Right, yes I beleive he has join Airskyworld.

[Break Right]

Cool Banna, great to hear didn't think he could stay out of aviation for to long!!!:D :D

[Hawk777]

I don't think gravel runways will be an issue as most of the big mines (ie the ones who utilise jets) have 2-3000m SEALED strips nowadays.

[No worries mate]

Hawk77, all the runways in QLD currently served by jets are under 1800m and 3/4 of the runways used by jets in WA are also under 1800m. Many have gravel/stones covering the surface.
I too have heard one of flt ops head is ex-EK/PB/VB/Ansett.

[Hawk777]

NWmate,

Maybe not 3000m but definately more than 3/4 in W.A. are around 2000m and sealed. Most are more than 1800m!
Telfer 2000
Coondewanna 1860
Port Hedland 2500
Karratha 1850
Kalgoorlie 2000
Paraburdoo 2132
Newman 2072
Argyle 2300
Barimunya 1940
Barrow Island 1900
Murrin Murrin 2000

on the other hand:
Leinster 1770
Mt Keith 1797

Ravensthorpe???

Where else do jets go in W.A. for mining?

[skywest_xr]

Last time I checked, Coondawana was unsealed. BHP are looking at sealing it in the not to distant future.

Ravensthorpe is 1680m.....just long enough for an F100 to operate at full payload (given its not 40 degrees), however the pavement is not strong enough.

xr

[topend3]

Think you will find Area C or Conndewannah was sealed late '06.

[skywest_xr]

Im only going on the latest ERSA.....which says it is gravel.

topend....do you feel like a drive?

xr

[Green gorilla]

Flew into area C yesterday its sealed with an apron that could handle
two jets at a time maybe to handle the predicted 1000 FIFO work force.

[skywest_xr]

Noted. Thx for that.

It would be good if someone updated the documents.

xr

[Icarus2001]

By Area C I take it that you mean the Coondewanna airstrip?

[Green gorilla]

Yes area C is Coondewanna

[bigjet787]

I find it hard to beleive that anyone can get an AOC on this nature within 6 Months. Also its all good and well to introduce a new type of aircraft into the mining arena which seems to be what they are after but the operating costs of the jungle jet with a big fat lease charge over Alliance who owns most of their aircraft seems to me that the cost driven market may be happy with the older aircraft which seem to be doing a good job so far.

Cant wait to see what happens.

[funkytownflighty]

Does anybody have any idea as to what sort of dollars the Cabin Crew will be on?
Hhhhhmmmmmm.....

[ITCZ]

I find it hard to beleive that anyone can get an AOC on this nature within 6 Months.
NJS took only four months to go from contract signing to HiCap AOC for the 717. Wasn't pretty, but it was done.

Why should it not take 6 months or less, if S.A.W. flight ops department is staffed by people that know what they are doing?

[cunninglinguist]

NJS were an established Hi cap operator of some 15 years in the Oz industry , slightly different situation to Skyair I would have thought, who are a new start ( ok, with a few familiar faces maybe ) with a first of type in the country.
Also lets not forget NJS had a " little " help from Jetstar who had operated the A/C for years and NJS were not able to do without the support of a certain Jet* checkie for well over 12 months.

[bigjet787]

I think NJS is a little different to SAW and with CASA moving to Brisbane with all new staff and a new costing system I dont think they will be the most expedient.

Without the support of the likes of QF I think 4 months is a big ask. I hope they have some deep pockets for the new CASA system, they are up for some big bucks now before they even start revenue flying.

Can anyone confirm if they have a contract yet, I see Alliance has purchased F50's and ****** have an ATR42 to chase more mining work, supposedly Olympic Dam but I have not heard anything about anyone signing with SAW?

[ComeByChance]

SAW’s first E-jet has been U/S in Manilla since Friday. The aircraft has rudder problems and requires parts from Embraer to fix it.

I’ve heard they have secured a contract but don’t know who it’s with.

[Going Nowhere]

It arrived in BNE just over an hour ago.

[Howard Hughes]

It arrived in BNE just over an hour ago.
Any pics?:ok:

[megle2]

I think its tucked away in the Jetcare hangar

[Wingletts]

Does anyone have an idea at what stage SAW are up to with their start up? training? proposed start date for flying?

good to know the firsr EMB has arrived..:ok:

I would imagine training and proving flights would be going on fairly soon if it is a May start up.

[apacau]

Interesting development... Quite smart in my books!

* * *

Solomon Airlines, the national airline of the Solomon Islands, today announced its plans to introduce a new 76 seat Embraer E-170 aircraft, an important component of the airline’s growth and transformation. Solomon currently serves Brisbane with 6 round-trip flights per week to Honiara, with connecting service to Espirtu Santo and Nadi. With the new aircraft, Solomon Airlines will introduce additional services in May 2007.

The E-170 has been secured through a strategic partnership with Australian operator SkyAirWorld. This alliance will allow Solomon the flexibility to add to its fleet as needs and opportunities arise. Solomon will utilize the E-170 for at least three years.

“This is an exciting time for Solomon Airlines,” said Ron Sumsum, the airline’s acting CEO and General Manager. “We’re adding new routes, new schedules and new aircraft – and transforming the airline with a new energy and customer focus. The E-170 exemplifies our new direction, and sets the standard for comfort, reliability and fuel efficiency in its class.”

SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton said: “The partnership between SkyAirWorld and Solomon Airlines is an outstanding opportunity for both parties. SkyAirWorld launches with a long term partner and Solomon Airlines gets an air service that is the most modern in the Asia Pacific.”

SkyAirWorld and Solomon Airlines are the first to operate the Embraer E-170 in Australia and the South Pacific. The E-170 flies 12 percent faster and 50 percent further (with a typical load) than other aircraft in Australia plane in its class. SkyAirWorld is satisfying the 70 to 100 seat Jet charter market, currently under serviced by ageing and fuel inefficient aircraft, which is growing at 15 percent per year in Australia.

“In the years to come, we’ll be upgrading and replacing our existing fleet with new aircraft and we’re proud to partner with SkyAirWorld as a way to jumpstart that growth,” said Mr. Sumsum. “The E-170 is the first step in bringing an exciting new customer experience to flying Solomon Airlines.”

Mr. Charlton added: “Our partnership with Solomon Airlines is intended to support their own Embraer E-Jet operations long term. We seek mutually beneficial partnerships and welcome dialogue with other groups who need reliable and modern air services, but do not wish to take on all elements of their own operations.”

Commencement of service by Sky Air World for Solomon Airlines is dependant on regulatory approval.

[Hawk777]

What aircraft type do Solomon currently use?

[Howard Hughes]

Solomon Airlines. (http://www.solomonairlines.com.au/aircraft.htm):ok:

[Wingletts]

SAW have just updated their website and reported on the deal with Solomon under the NEWS section...

A great deal to kick off with ..

[Yawn]

The Sky website now advertising for A330 and A340 pilots.

Small jets and big jets...

[dirty deeds]

Have heard that this new start Skyairworld is VB's backup plan for the EMB and International operations if the current eba does not get up. Strange that one of the senior pilots at Skyairworld was one of the negotiators for the current VB agreement and left VB to start at Skyairworld. Strange that VB's plans are similar to Skyairworld, WA charter ops, Pacific flying etc etc. No wonder Skyairworld are holding their cards to close to their chests, VB management don't want to upset the boys too much. Maybe a conspirathy theory and hope I am wrong, but time will tell. Rumour has it that one of the initial founders of VB has his fingers in this pie. RS are his initials.

Time will tell.

[podbreak]

dd thats a bit far fetched....

[Howard Hughes]

Which probably makes it plausible!

Expect the unexpected...;)

[Kiwiguy]

Anyone care to update us about Skyairworld since Solomons pulled the plug ?

What are SAW doing now ?

Where does the E-170/190 operation fit their hook up with Lion Air or is that now part of the Lion Air operation ?:confused:

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Apparently filling in for Airnorths Jungle Jet while it gets that gouge in the nacelle repaired (Broome groundie I hear). Other than that I don't know.

FRQ CB

PS It is a very colourful paint job... melikes :-)

[The Voice]

FRQ CB - (Broome groundie I hear) really?

[Lasiorhinus]

Sure it wasnt another Caravan?

[Dog One]

Nope - Frq CB is correct!