Am I too young? And how young is too young?

[Rob 747]

Hi all,

Need some help!!
Im 21 with brand new JAR PPL. The way things are going it looks like i will be sitting my ATPL theory when i am 22.
Problem is, i feel too young to be flying commercially. Dont get me wrong, i would love to fly for an airline or instruct. But who is going to want a 22 year old lad flying their planes or teaching students to fly?.
Better stil, how many people would want to be taught by a 22 year old??.

Have i got this wrong or is it genuinely not realistic to expect to become an instructor or airline pilot at such a young age???

AM I TOO YOUNG OR JUST TOO SCARED?!?!?!?!?

ps,I know i am by no means one of the youngest flyers out there!!! I just feel too young!!!!

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Cheers!!!

[Tip tank]

I'm 30 and don't care who is teaching me/flying me around as long as they are better at it than I am!

Just go for it. If somebody doesn't respect your abilities as a pilot because of your age, that's their problem. Your confidence will build as you do more flying.

[Harvey SM]

Rob...... just go for it! Don't hang around just 'cos you're worried about being too young!!! The airline I used to work for had Pilots as young an 19 and 20. What counts is experience, and if you get it at an earlier age than most, then good for you! I wish that I started flying at an earlier age (I am only 24!) instead of faffing around with all the ifs buts and maybes.
Take it easy.... and DON'T delay!

[Ennie]

I'm 22 and start with a commercial carrier in Aug, think positive and you'll be fine, your gonna get trained well and know what your doing...enjoy!!!!!

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"Keep The F*****G Ball In The Middle"!!!

[Rob 747]

Yeah, i suppose you are right.
How would you convince your local CFI that you are able to teach people at 22 though.
I know there arent any 22 year olds at the school where i got my ppl.

Thanks for replying though.

:) :) :) :) :) :)

[Whirlybird]

People are obsessed with chronological age! There are constant posts here asking "Am I too old?", "Am I too young?" etc etc. Do you all spend your lives looking at people and working out their ages or something? does it matter?

Rob, I'm over twice your age, but I'd be happy to learn from you or anyone else if you had something you could teach me. If anyone else feels differently, it's their problem, not yours. I wish I'd started when I was your age, not because I can't do it now, but because it would mean I had a lot more years of flying left. You've got a great opportunity. Stop worrying and go for it!



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Whirly

To fly is human, to hover, divine.

[WGW]

Get a CPL and and instructor rating - there's your proof...

[MikeSamuel]

Wow...I hope to be flying people around by the time I'm 19 or so, with a little help from BA, or some other major, or maybe my local bank :)

Good luck to you all, and God help you if you ever get put next to me in a cockpit one day :)

Regards

Mike

[Si]

I'm only 19 i have my PPL and 75hours total, i start at Oxford in Dec for the ATPL's, my instructor said the younger you are you should have a better chance of getting on with a major...we'll see!

[Scratch One Bandit]

Hi Rob,

I've been 21 now for about 10 days, and am three exams away from completing my ATPL exams. I'm pretty worried that on completing my course and sending out countless CVs, I will hear nothing from the airlines, etc, partly due to my age. I had the same thought about instructing, I could imagine the whole 'How old are you?!' type thing. I'm considering working abroad for a year or so, if I have to. Whatever I have to do to get paid to fly.

I would say go for it! Good luck :)

[Sick Squid]

Rob, I've flown with co-pilots younger than you, and they were all damn good at their job (we're talking a reasonably major player on the aviation front here as well...) Go for it, age doesn't matter as much as the right attitude to the job, and the blind determination to get there.

Actually, thinking about it, I started my PPL when I was a year older than you!

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[TraineePilot01]

Hey there again - thanks everyone for your replies on my skills test next week - they really have been a great help. I'm flying on Thursday, then again on Saturday, and by then I should be ready, if not, I've booked another lesson for Sunday. Should hopefully be taking it next week sometime - I just can't wait to get it over with. I will definitely let you know how it goes though.
Here are a few more questions I would like answered if at all possible - thanks v. much...I could not find the answers to these anywhere.

PLEASE NOTE - I AM FLYING THE C152

1) What are the short trailing lines at the end of the wings for?
2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?
3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)
4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!
5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?
6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!

One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....

Thank you once again v. much,

A Young, Nervous Pilot (17) - TP01

[GearUp CheerUp]

TP, Ill answer those questions that I can,

1, The 'trailing lines' are static wicks which allow the static charge which builds up on an aeroplane as it flies to dissipate. This reduces its chances of being struck by lightning.

2, The cable between the aileron and the wing is a bonding wire which ensures all parts of the airframe are at the same electrical potential. Also provides a path for a lightning strike to avoid it travelling through the control cables with catestrophic damage.

3, I dont remember seeing pitot and static drains on a 152 - Ask your instructor.

4, LL = low lead

5, Different aerials will be VHF COM, VOR ADF, DME, XPDR again ask your instructor.

6, No

7, A safety briefing should include information as to how to adjust seat and how to don, doff and adjust seatbelt, How to open doors and the location and use of emergency equipment (axe, fire extinguisher etc) What to do in the event of a forced landing (remove specs Brace etc) and any other questions that the passenger/examiner may have.

Good Luck!

[Jasondoig]

Just to answer the missing question,

The pitot drain is the little hole just before the bend in the pitot tube.
There are no static drains.

Have a great flight and Good Luck.

[Iain]

Also the little flimsy antenna behind the cockpit is the ELT antenna.

[Luke SkyToddler]

1) What are the short trailing lines at the end of the wings for?

Discharging the static electricity that builds up on the aircraft in flight.

2) What is the short cable between the wing and the aileron?

Static electricity bonding.

3) Where are the pitot and static drains? (are they on the 152?)

No, they aren't.

4) What does LL mean in 100LL? I can't find it anywhere!

Low Lead (but not unleaded!)

5) What are the different aerials on the fuselage? I assume it's the VOR, radio and transponder. Are there any more on the 152 and in what order do they come?

In a normal C152 layout :

The two on the top of the tail that point backwards in a 'V' shape are the VOR aerials.
The little shark fin one underneath the aircraft is the transponder. The one on the roof of the cockpit that slopes backwards, is the VHF communication radio.

Others you might notice on individual aircraft although they're not standard fit on all aircraft : a wire stretching from the cockpit to the front of the vertical fin is an ADF aerial. A rectangular/square boxy shaped one beneath the aircraft is a DME, and a similar shaped but slightly smaller one on the roof of the aircraft would be a GPS.

6) Are any of you going to the International Careers in Aviation Exhibition a week Sat (the 10th)?!

Not me I'm afraid.

One final important thing I would like answered - what would you guys say is the standard safety briefing for passengers on the 152? As you have told me, it needs to be said to the examiner when he gets in....

"Welcome aboard sir, before we get under way today there's a few safety aspects I'd like to go over with you. The doors are located on each side, they're operated very simply by pulling this handle here, please remember if you're exiting the aircraft not to walk forward of the wing. The seatbelt comes in two pieces, a lap belt which is done up like so, and the shoulder harness which clips onto this little buckle like this. Please keep your seatbelt on and secure throughout the flight. I'd like you to note at this time, the location of the first aid kit *here* and the fire extinguisher *here* If you have a mobile phone on you, I'd like you to please switch it off now. Finally, please let me know if you're feeling ill or uncomfortable at any stage in the flight and I'll do my best to help you' don't use the word 'sick', it doesn't sound cool and professional :D

The only things you're legally required to cover are the position and operation of doors and the seatbelts (unless you're flying over water, in which case you will of course be carrying lifejackets, and you will brief your examiner on how to put them on and use them). It's also OK if your examiner has already got in and buckled up, to say 'I see you're already familiar with the operation of the doors and seatbelts' and carry on from there. The rest is just point scoring and they can't fail you for not covering it, but if you can reel it off and sound like you know what you're talking about then you've just made a favourable start to the flight. I'd rather have my students give a bare-minimum passenger brief that sounds competent and knowledgable, than a big elaborate one that is obviously being done parrot fashion.

[Sensible]

Luke, I'm no technical wiz on the 152 but I seem to remember that there is a drain (tiny hole) at the back of the pitot tube otherwise rainwater rammed into the pitot in flight would be forced up into the airspeed indicator etc. If it water froze in the tube that would be interesting too!

[Luke SkyToddler]

Doh! You're right of course sensible. For some reason I was thinking only of the static drains which are of course those buttons down on the floor in those flashy Pipers.

[TraineePilot01]

Thanks very much Luke Skytoddler - that posting was VERY helpful indeed. I will try and impress my instructor tomorrow and let you know how it goes!

Cheers for now,

TP01

[superfurryanimal]

TP1

Unless you are flying for free, shouldn't you ask your instructor? Make him work for his money - flying is expensive and a good instructor would be hapy to point these things out to you. Get your money's worth! These are ideal questions to ask whilst doing your walk round, or during less demanding parts of your lessons. If your instructor is reluctant (or worse, unable) to answer these questions, find another instructor or change schools.
I haven't met an instructor yet who wouldn't help, or welcome such enquiries. Good pilots should always try to understand as much as they can about their aircraft and the environment they operate in, and it is a good sign that you want to ask these questions.

Good luck.

[Flying Farmer]

Also worth adding,
"If we have any problems before our take off speed of ?? knots i'll bring the to a halt on the runway(ATC call 'stopping'). If the failure occurs in the climb, with remaining runway i'll land straight ahead, higher in the climb i'll select a suitable area to land within 30 degrees either side.
Also worth stating is that the weather and crosswind are both within limits and in the climb give MSA for first leg.
Hope this helps and above all enjoy the flight.
FF

[Dimitri]

An example scenario, pre september 11th.

Trained to a good standard on an intregrated course at a good school i.e (cabair, oats, jerez) and completed, 20 years old, with 3 good A levels.

Ok would you be an employable pilot, or would age be on a problem. I mean at 20 years old would the airlines want to let you near a £30 million aircraft.

Im planning on training after I complete my A levels this spring, I will be 19 in September, therefore being 20 when I complete training (with a very (very very) optomistic view that the airline industry will have recovered in 2 years).

Is anyone else in the same position or been in the same position.

[bow5]

I would say go to University. You'll still only be 21 by the time you're done and have a great time. I did and am now 22 and planning on starting training soon. I fear I may graduate too early to be able to walk into a job though.

By the time you graduate the airline industry will be a good position and so will you be. Having a degree also means that if it doesn't work out for any reason, or you lose your medical at some point in your career, you have something substantial to fall back on.

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[VFE]

Dimitri,

I would say go for it. I cannot see why going to University would make much difference if you have the money to go integrated already. It will help you in understanding some of the sillybus for JAR but a couple of A-Levels in Physics and Maths should see you through without too much brain screwing.

As for job prospects and employers taking on a 20 year old, all I can say to that is just do it and find out. It´s up to you to show them you are capable isn´t it?

There are two 19 year olds on my course at the moment and nobody has ever suggested that their age will work against them in the job stakes. On the contrary, they are in the best position.

Best of luck,

VFE. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

[rai]

Just for your interest, in my case i was accepted on a sponsorship earlier this year at the age of 20 - so obviously the airline trusted me enough with their equipment. But there are some points to note:

1)By the time i wouldve completed training and been on the line i wouldve been 21/22.

2)I am a uni student and was accepted at the end of my second year (i wouldve had to forfiet my final year), which certainly helped my application.

3) The above points are past tense because sept 11th came along and has held things back a little!

But the moral of the story is, if you can demonstrate that you're mature enough during the selection process, then your age shouldnt hold you back.

Good luck.

[Lucifer]

Yes, they would let you, if you get recommended from Jerez or Oxford to an airline and pass, and they are still recruiting. Is conceivable and has been done, but I would be more wary about the timing: that is having a full licence with low hours even by the beginning of 2004. However if you have the cash and are prepared to risk it then you may just about be in a prime position, however if things really massively change in terms of consolidation of airlines/BA cutting itself up, then university and backup career would be better.

Of course we would all make the right decisions if we knew what will happen.

Good luck

[AltoAdige]

20 years old is not too young to be flying..i started when i was 17...now 21 with CPL...etc..
Last night at a party i met a friend of mine i havnt seen in ages. The reason i hadnt seen him was because at the age of 20 an airline picked him up, he is now flying J41's at the age of 21.
Age is just a number, its all up to you! :-)

[Mister Gash]

I know a young chap who’s flying in the RHS of a 737 at just 22. Little ba$tard.

[spoilers yellow]

I got a job flying the ATR42/72 when I was 20, as did a few of my mates, we are now all on jet aircraft and still only 23.

[Flying Clog]

Age makes no difference when trying to land an airline job, experience is what counts. I started flying at 18, went to the States to train and build experience instructing and flying air taxi. I then returned to the UK at 20 with nearly 2000 hours.

Flew turboprops for a year, now flying the ERJ 145, looking at an upgrade to Captain in about 12 months (at the age of 24)!

Good Luck...and go for it!

[le loup garou]

It is true that most airlines would only see you being young as an advantage i.e you can work for them for longer. It is not the age but the maturity that counts. I got my Frozen ATPL at just turned 19 had 20 months looking for work, not the age just a bad time for recruitment. I was flying commercially ATR42/72 just before my 21st.

There was one guy at an interview once that said 3 times in 45mins despite the replies "I have never interviewed a 19 year old before" and " my son is 2 years older than you and all he does is sit on his backside or sleep"( he must have been a pilot) :) Needless to say I didn't get a job with that outfit, not that I was too disappointed.

The only thing I would say is that if you are considering uni I would do it. Not for the further education but for the misbehaving aspect. After you have been working for a few years you will look back on your young and carefree days with fondness. So try and make them last as long as you can. God I'm starting to sound old! If you do go to uni you will still have at least 37 years of flying, but while your up there in the cruise you can remind yourself of Jenny, Tracy, Paula, Shelley, lisa, Helen, etc. from your days of living in uni halls.

Either way GOOD LUCK in whatever you decide, and enjoy!!

Regards le loup garou <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[Pin Head]

Chill out boys. Go and enjoy life do the Uni thing (get drunk and get laid), go travelling, meet new people and places and get that on your CV.

At 24 and flying turboprops, I regret not going travelling. Life is to short. All I have now is my annual 5 weeks holiday and just taken 3 this month already.

[Eff Oh]

Guys. I started at 16. Flew solo at 17, started my CPL @ BAe FT Prestwick just after my 18th. Finished at 20 Got a job flying SAAB 340s at 21. Then got a Job flying Boeing 757s at 22. Now 23.

Go for it!! As someone said if you have the money then go do it. If you dont get a job, you can always go to Uni then. You can fly in the meantime to keep you IR current. GOOD LUCK. .Eff Oh. :) <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> :)

[Hotel Mode]

Dont Bother with Uni, you can do that Later, it is very possible in the 5 years it will take you to go to Uni and get a CPL, we will have had the boom then the bust again.

I work for what used to be Cityflyer, we had a 19 yr old F/o and we have a 24yr old Captain on the 146! Age not a problem, its all maturity.

[p.savage]

I have just got an e-mail from Jerez saying that I am too young! I thought 17 was the minimum age for flight training!

Does Oxford use this rule?

Cheers

[scroggs]

Just a guess, but it may be that BAe would rather not take responsibility for people under 18. If that's the case, Oxford and others may feel the same way.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Under 18 you are in Loco Parentis to BAE and therefore a liability waiting to happen.

Its bad enough having 26 year old flying instructors - who should know better than to end up - greeting the dawn bobbing on the swimming pool lilo dressed toga style in the common room curtains; without having 17ys olds doing it. :D :)


WWW

[tunneler]

I think it says in the small print on the Jerez brochure something along the lines of the minimum age being 18 - dont know if its something to do with the minimum age for a CPL issue being 18 or what - really must go back and study some more air law!

Anyways, bide your time and enjoy being too young to start pal, it all gets rather busy when you do start!

All the best.

Tunny

[Nano 763]

I think that 18 is the minimum age to get your CPL, however, your rejection is most likely based on the insurance requirements of that particular school.

Try elsewhere. See what happens, and ask WHY NOT.

[Gin Slinger]

Is waiting under a year a big deal?

It would make sense in the current industry climate, plus you could see what the common people do, for example, by working in a bookies...ohh, I forgot, you're under 18...

[calgary]

I know its hard to get a job, but why??

I know theres alot of airline pilots... who simply shouldn't be allowed to be airline pilots. Why do the airlines hire people who have a reference witht hat airline over someone who has the experience?

You also think with air travel, as popular as it is there should be a demand for pilots.

and how much does an ailine captain really make?

i see the school advertise that they make over 300K/year, but iknow thats has to be bs...

thanks.

[scroggs]

You've obviously missed the news over the last year or so!

In your country, the airline 'Canadian' was taken over by Air Canada. Canadian was pretty much bankrupt, and Air Canada stripped out a lot of loss-making routes. That meant a considerable number of redundancies.

Not long after, some Al-Qaeda terrorists took out the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. The aftershock of that instantly removed 25% of the North American aviation market. Thousands of pilots were furloughed or sacked.

Since then, there has been a small recovery - far less strong in North America than in the rest of the world. There are still thousands of highly-qualified airline pilots out of work. The airlines are obliged to offer these pilots any jobs that do come up before they could advertise them in the open marketplace. Needless to say, there aren't many jobs coming up!

That's why it's so hard to get a job.

I don't understand your statement suggesting that some people should not be airline pilots, nor your comment about references and experience.

In the US, the very highest-paid 747/777 training captains with 30-40 years experience may make US$370,000 (about C$500,000). In UK, the top rate is about £120,000 (about C$230,000). Your FTO doesn't lie, but it doesn't tell the whole truth.

[Easy Glider]

Sorry Calgary, I'm having great difficulty understanding your post. Regarding your experience question, you have lost me completely!

Try re-posting checking spelling / grammar etc.:confused: :confused:

[Ennie]

Calgary,

Just where the hell have you been in the last year??
Try watching the news:mad:

[Lucifer]

1) Air travel is popular, but so is a flying career (surprisingly!) Therefore there are not a lot of jobs that are easy to get, since there are so many others who also want to do what you do. Read scroggs' post.

2) What on earth do you mean by "alot of airline pilots... who simply shouldn't be allowed to be airline pilots."? As a 16(ish) year old wannabe with (I imagine) little industry experience, you may want to justify such statements much better than you have before you make comments on a board frequented by pilots of all breeds.

3) Experience in terms of hours is not everything, indeed it may not be relevant experience. Having a reference with a regional airline when applying for a major for example means that people have the requisite experience on smaller aircraft to be able to cope with a larger one. I don't understand what you are getting at really, but you could not expect for example for a 1,500 hour person with experience only on Cessnas to be hired before a 1,500 hour person with experience in 2 regional airlines in a variety of different weather conditions and on more sophisticated types.

4) Pilots can expect to make in the UK up to £80,000 or there abouts as a basic salary, exculding flying hour rate, allowances, extra pay for training and other benefits that may or may not be monetary. This is made at the end of one's career, ie when you are 55-65, and therefore is not a prolonged payment, but the final payment. Many can expect to never reach this nor even approach such compensation. The absolute maximum that this equates to could be about £130,000 in the highest paying airlines for somebody who works at all opportunities on the highest tier and is not a management pilot. US pilots can in some airlines expect even better compensation.

5) Learn to type coherently please.

[calgary]

I'm hearing alot of shiz about this thing called an "ATPL" For those of you who don't know I wil be going to mt royal next year to get my aviation diploma... if i get accepted that is. But from what I understand, an ATPL is where. after a couple years of flying, you take an atpl course, and this allows you to fly for major airlines, or something like that.

What is atpl?

this probably sounds pretty stupid, because I have spent so much time trying to figure out what one is, unless its an american thing?

and what is JAA??
thanks in advance for your replies

[Send Clowns]

ATPL is an airline transport pilot's licence (license in American). This is a licence that requires 1500 hours (some of it under specific conditions) so a reasonably experienced pilot. A pilot must have an ATPL to command a multi-crew aircraft. A frozen ATPL is unique to the JAA, and means all courses complete, tests passed, awaiting 1500 hours to qualify, meanwile it is a CPL/IR.

JAA are the Joint Aviation Authorities, an umbrella organisation to oversee co-operation and common standards in the EU plus other states (I think the final total is expected to be around 29 states). In practice an incompetent bunch of bureaucrats who know little about aviation and need to sit my navigation course so they can find their arses with both hands. They are overseeing the destruction of General Aviation in Europe, to a degree that even our own CAA (Campaign Against Aviation, aka the Civil Aviation Authority) is fighting. They have already done their best to prevent people from achieving the aforementioned ATPL. All co-operation is prevented by the French, who throw the toys out of the pram if they don't get their own way. This is well known to all who have tried a co-operative venture with the French (you may recognise this in Canada).

[calgary]

thanks, that clears alot of questions

sorry about the inconvenience

[stevethescotspilot]

I am going to start ATPL training in September. I turn 18 in august, and so, assuming I successfully graduate from the course I will be looking for a job when I am coming up for 20.
Is this too young?
Hopefully not, as airlines may look at it as being young and determined, plenty years of flying ahead of you etc, but I would like to hear some opinions as to whether going for it at my age may put me at a disadvantage. (or advantage!)

Thanks,
Stephen Moyes

[Northern Highflyer]

Steve

I would say you at a good age for starting your flying career.

You obviously have all the funding and training sorted, so providing the jobs are there at the end of it you have as much chance as anyone else of getting the job of your dreams. As you will see from other threads on here, determination, dedication and personality are far more important than age.

Best of luck with the training. :cool:

[Mister Geezer]

Sounds like CASHMONEYMILLIONAIRE has been the victim of some nights out that have turned pear shaped. Are you speaking from past experience? Oooh suit you sir. :D

Back to the original point... No 20 is by no means too young!

[mad_jock]

I seem to remember hearing about an Atlantic DC3 skipper who had his first trip in the LHS on his 21st birthday.

Go for it, stuff what anyone else thinks, prove them wrong.

;)

MJ

[Vin Diesel]

I hope to go commercial in the future also when i have my funding sorted out. I am at college, two years left so this summer i managed to get a job doing baggage handling and other ground duties in DUB. As I was going in to work yesterday, there was a young FO heading to the terminal to start his shift. When i say young, I am 19 and he didn't look too much older than me. Now, I have to admit that I felt jealous at first, but then I thought fair play to him. So, it shows that it can be done and all the very best for your training.:D

[redsnail]

This doesn't reflect on the above posters.
There is a massive difference between age and maturity. I know one pilot who had a CPL at 18 and ATPL at 21. She was mature beyond her years. Not a boring person, just very focussed.
On the other hand, I also know a pilot who was a few years older than her but at least 15 years younger in terms of maturity. He some serious growing up to do.

It's all about atitude.

[black diamond]

Stephen,
Work hard, fly to a good standard and you will be judged by your performance, not your age.
I started young, and had to grow up quickly to fit in with the pilots I used to fly with.

[Boeing 7E7]

Some may think you're too young and others will beg to differ. In the end it will probably come down to how you perform in an interview! Whether you will fit in to the company or not I suspect is the bigger question and that will depend on you.

But the sooner you start, the sooner you may get that job. It's worth it!

[flyaway777]

Hi,

Basically, I would like some views on wheather or not I am too young to start an integrated course of training at Oxford Aviation on the APP. I have already passed the Class 1 medical and the secection process at Oxford and I am considering whether to start as soon as possibe or leave it a while.

I am 18 years old, 19 in September! What I am asking is, do you think that when I am gualified (provided nothing goes wrong) and in a postion to apply for a job, will potential employers view me as too young, bearing in mind that I will be not much more than 20! I have already decided that I am not going to university as I think it would only be a waste of time and money, when what I want to do is be an airline pilot!

Thanks for your time!

[glider12000]

Did you not look at the Leeds University course?

I am on it myself and it`ll give you a lot of background knowledge, a degree and a PPL (At a reduced rate!)

I have not yet found it a waste of time or money and should you be left in an unemployable situation you will have a degree to be able to work in another part of the industry.

[flyaway777]

Glider12000,

I had looked at that option, but I decided that by the time I would have completed the course, I would have already been in a certain degree of debt, and this would not help in funding the rest of the training to meet airline entry requirements.

I do realise that some kind of back up plan is very important but, in hoping that airline recruitment will have improved by the time I am in a position to apply for a job, I felt that this was not the route too take!

Do you think that airlines would employ someone who is not yet 21?

[glider12000]

i think it`d be on the number of hours you would have and your overall experience. So a 21 year old, straight out of a flight training establishment wouldn`t be what they were looking for. Ensuring that you would have a decent amount of hours and got type rated on an aircraft which has positions available would be important

[OBK!]

Im 18 and have almost gained my frozen ATPL...will keep you informed.

OBK

[flyaway777]

OBK,

You must have started early! That is inspiring however, I was under the impression that I was a bit young!

Can I just ask, where are you doing your training?

[OBK!]

Well I say 18, but in 20 days I'll be 19 so...

I started when I was 17 with the groundschool after doing one hellish year in college. Passed the groundschool end of last year (September).

Been doing flying training at a well known FTO based at LBA, owned by a really rich man who's just bought some large hangars and a large BBJ...quite flash, though as for the FTO...

I've been training for CPL/IR since September. To be fair, I have compelted all the CPL syllabus and most of the IR but it seems as though I'm paying the above organisation to do me favours when really they should be offering a service...very long story!

Good luck with what you decide.

[flyaway777]

OBK,

How hard did you find the groundschool?

I know that the volume of information that has to be learned is massive, but I would like to know how difficult you found the ATPL exams!

The reason I ask, is that I would be slightly concerned about my level of Maths knowledge, I only managed a C at GCSE, is this a problem?

[OBK!]

Groundschool was a major bore sometimes, not so much hard. Maths was ok, the hardest you're going to get is trigonometry (sp?)...and for that, what the hell, learn the tactic on your calculator.

I did it distance learning so it required an tremendous amount of determination to get up at 9am in the morning to go downstairs and sit infront of the books for 9 hrs on my own and do tests etc for 3 or 4 months (per module). It all paid off though when I passed the exams though and I'm enjoying the flying (whenever i get the chance!).

Cheers
OBK

[glider12000]

what made u choose that FTO?

I'm using the other FTO at LBA.

Just have PPL Nav to take, which i have thursday.

[OBK!]

what made u choose that FTO?

I was a fool really, took someones word that they were a decent outfit and they had a glossy brochure...too late now to change. I have to admit though that one particular instructor there has gone to great lengths to help me out and I'm extremely grateful (Cheers Malc!).

Rgds
OBK

[glider12000]

i`m on the Pilot studies course at Leeds Uni so we had to use them!

Been washed out twice for the 1st flight but early aspects so far seem to be good.

Passed all of the exams except nav but that`ll change on thursday!

my first 25 hours are to be flown on the 2 weeks in the Middle of August from Sheffield in a PA28 Warrior.

[Pole Hill]

OBK! Please check your PM's. :ok:
POL.

[Cloud 99]

I've also decided that uni is not for me. I already have my PPL and plan to take that to fATPL level as soon as possible.

My question is:

At 18 (Just) do you think I would be better going integrated (ignoring the money issue), or going modular and working to gain experience in other areas that any airline may look favourably on (ie more life experience)?

Thanks for any replies (and good luck fa777 and obk)

[OBK!]

Hi Cloud 99

I also decided Uni was not for me. Why get into debt doing a degree when I can get an fATPL instead...

Anyway, with regards to modular/intergrated, I decided modular because I had to work in between. Integrated wouldn't have allowed me to do this. Integrated is also a lot more expensive and you get exactly the same ticket in the end. You could do an integrated-modular f-ATPL...basically, do it modular but full time (work at weekends, fly during the week).

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Cheers
Obk

[GrkPilot]

Flyaway777..
Your never to young to begin training..
I received my Commercial license when I was 18 and it was definatly one of the best days of my life. If you think you are ready and of course if you think you are MATURE enough to do this then you shouldn't have a problem. I wanted to become an Airline Pilot from birth so the dream and the passion for flying helped me get through the tough parts of training. As you see I stressed the word Mature, it plays a big role in your future especially at the age of 17-19!

Good Luck!

[titchuk]

Hey im Chris and im 15, just wondering if there are any other people on here that were around my age and were interested with being a pilot or just anyone who wants to chat or anything?
Chris

[titchuk]

Hey im Chris and im 15, just wondering if there are any other people on here that were around my age and were interested with being a pilot or if anyone wants to give some advice thats great!
Chris

[Fretwanger]

Hey Titch, I always wanted to be a pilot ever since I was about 6, but I'm not quite their yet, but have my foot on the ladder.

I always wanted to be a Fighter Pilot but never got the grades in school so decided to go civvy, its not as fast but the chances of me being a fighter pilot was so slim anyway id have probably been fobbed off on a hercules or something. Although the job would be awesome in the forces I couldn't stand being at annual camp with the ATC so never mind for the rest of my life.

Anyway where abouts in the country are you Titch?

[titchuk]

im from near luton in beds. Yea ive always wanted to be a pilot since a very young age lol couldnt think of a better job! so how are you going about it then?

[NT42]

Hi Chris,

I've wanted to become a pilot for quite some time now. Basically in the same position as you, although I'm a couple years older. There's a lot of advice to be had on these forums, but also a fair amount of negativity - don't let that put you off.

As for becoming a commercial pilot you first need the GCSE grades. Try your best at school, and chose your A-levels wisely - it isn't always best to focus your choices simply for flying. Physics and maths are good, but don't feel you have to take these. Once the A-levels are finished theres a few sponserships you can try and get (I'm hoping more will be made availabe soon). However, if the situation remains as it is at present, you may need to consider paying for it yourself. Prices vary but are generally 35-50K, and with that I believe it is possible for you to get a FO job.

For now though, try and do well with your GCSE's. I'm about to start my A2 courses but I've also invested in the PPL. It's always worth having a flight with your local flying school, so you can be sure you're okay with flying and also check you're okay with the medical side.

Hope this provides some basis on where to start - as I say, I'm in the same position.

Good luck!

JW.

[titchuk]

thanks for the msg thats great! yea i mean ive jst tkin my gcse mocks and done pretty good in them so if things go good that shud be alrite but i realli dunno wot to be taking in a level. i mean im not bad at maths and physics but not perfect and i think if i take thm for a level thn i might just mess up :S
for getting your ppl how do you go about it?
thanks chris

[NT42]

Well good luck with the GCSE's. As for A-level, don't worry too much about maths and physics. I took both and have struggled with physics, therefore only taking maths (plus English and geography) next year. It's probably best to do things which you're good at, and enjoy.

The PPL - this can be done at almost all flying clubs. You firslty go down to one, and have a trial flight. If you enjoy it, and feel you want to learn to fly then you book another lesson. If for some reason you're not happy with the flying school, have a look around some others, and pick which you feel most comfortable.

It costs a fair bit - I've known it be as low as £3500, but realistically its more like £4500+ depending on where you learn. I'm expecting to pay in the region of £7000 for mine. It can only take a couple weeks to get the PPL. But if you plan on taking your time with it (say one hour a week) it'll take at least a year to get through it. There are 7 ground exams, and a flight test to take, as well as being required to take 45 hours of flight training. All of this will be explained when and if you decide to go for it. Have a look at the "private flying" forum, as well as flyers forums. Both have good info. on PPLing. I must say, I'm only 5 hours into the PPL, but it is fantastic. If it's possible for you to do it, do! But it is a good idea to get a trial flight....just in case it isn't for you.

JW.

[titchuk]

Does that have to be in a jet propelled aircraft?
its just because i go gliding dno if that counts :S

[Keygrip]

titchuk - one of the rules of engagement for Pprune (that you apparently didn't bother to read) is that duplicate posts are not allowed.

If you have a question - decide IN WHICH SINGLE FORUM TO POST IT. If it's in the wrong place (like your copy of this in "interviews and sponsorships" then it will be forwarded to the right place for you.

Please - one question, one post, one forum.

BTW - welcome to pprune.

[NT42]

Sorry I don't think the gliding counts, although I think you can get a gliding licence(?) To get the PPL(A) you learn on a single engined aircraft. Generally a prop, such as the piper's. You can't learn on jet engined A/C i don't think, such as the Jet Provost, even though they are light enough to allow. Anyway, even if you could it would be incredibly more expensive than a piper and the likes. But for the fixed wing PPL, you have to train on a single engined A/C, under a certain weight (I forget what it is).

JW.

[titchuk]

ok thanks for ya help il leave ya now! ol probs gttin anoyed cheers chris

[NT42]

No problems, always nice to offer support. And I always like talking to fellow pilots/potential pilots. Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

JW.

[eoincarey]

lol, did you really think you do basic training on a JP??

hee hee, that'll tickle me all night!

ETC

[titchuk]

lol how was i supposed to kno and neways im not gd with all these abreviations lol 2 confusing!

[titchuk]

hey can anyone tell me the difference between ATPL/ CPL Training thanks
chris

[NT42]

Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but the ATPL (frozen) is what is needed to become an airline pilot. This includes both the CPL (commercial pilots licence) and IR (intrument rating). If you want to fly for any airlines, this is needed.

The CPL is required if you want to earn money from your flying, which could include flag flying and the likes(?). Or pleasure flights.

Don't know if anyome can answer this question - do you need a CPL to be able to get the FI rating? And to become an instructor is the class 1 med. required? Just curious!

JW.

[DB777]

Get in quick and dedicate yourself now while your young. It's easy to miss the boat at a certain age. There's no time for late comers in aviation!

[scroggs]

eoincarey wrote:

lol, did you really think you do basic training on a JP?? hee hee, that'll tickle me all night!

The Jet Provost was the first aeroplane I ever flew. I did not fly a piston-engined aeroplane until I had over 4000 hours, much of that as a captain on 4-engined aircraft. So, yes, you can do basic training on a JP. Thousands of RAF pilots did so before the Tucano turned up.

Scroggs

[NT42]

It's just a shame about the cost of training in a JP! Wish I could - only managed 45 mintues due to cost restrictions on my part - great fun, compared with pipers, though!

JW.

[eoincarey]

Wow Scroggs, I'm impressed. I just assumed all RAF bods started out on Chippies or Bulldogs before going on to Jets, like civvy pilots. I stand corrected.

TitchUk, i'm also a young wannabee, recently passed the PPL, finished A levels, on the way to Uni. Its all good. And I'm afraid aviation is full of abbreviations, you're just going to have to do your best.

ETC

[adwjenk]

Hey

Im another young wannabe ive just finished my AS levels and im currently three quaters of a way through my PPL just need to find time for the exams :bored: , but now the summers here i should get them done YAY!!
Im 17 and been saving everything ive got to do my training and hoping to start next year at OAT on the APP, cause i cant afford uni and flight training :mad: as much as i want to go to Uni!!!
So i went for what ive always wanted to do :ok:

Best of Luck

ADWJENK

[titchuk]

Thanks everyone for the replys! Well 2day was a great day as im still doing work experience for monarch airlines and i met with the owner :D was really good just have to get his email address and beg to him! lol
As i am 15 and currently in year 10 moving to year 11 in sept to then take my gcses what is the best options for me to do after or even now? is there anything you would advise? Alot of people have said join the RAF but that really doesnt interest me at all i want to go into commercial flying but i do know it is going to be alot more expensive! Approximatly how much is it 60k? all advice will be appriciated thanks everyone!
Chris

Oh and if it is possible please could you give info on what the abbreviations mean? that way i can learn and go furhter
thanks again!
Chris

[arpansingla]

Hi there,

I am in the same boat as yourself starting AS levels this September and hoping to join an integrated course thereafter.

While you are doing the GSCE's I think the most sound advice is to work hard with them, get good results and also build on your extra-curricular activities. For example join the ATC (Air Training Corps) if you're not already in it. There is no obligation to join the RAF but you can learn an incredible amount of experience there. You can fly/glide, and build on your social skills. You can also do the Duke of Edinburgh Award and this also shows team skills.

Regarding the cost well this varies greatly. If you were to go modular then the cost is around £40k whilst if you went integrated the total comes to around £70k. These totals are excluding a 'type rating' which some people buy whilst others may get theirs paid for by and airline and be bonded to them as a result i.e they have to work for that airline for say 3 years at a certain salary. A type rating allows you to fly a certain aircraft eg Boeing 737. This costs around £20k.

If you could let me know what abbreviations you require i will do my best to let you know what they mean.

All the best

Arpan

PS: Check your PM's.

[fastjet2k]

titchuk - check your pm's

Cheers, FJ2k

[scroggs]

titchuk Read the following threads:

General Background Info (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134076)

Archive Reference Threads (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131649)

Between them you will get just about all you need to know.

Scroggs

[titchuk]

Hey everyone thought i might put a copy of what i have wrote to a few of you about my work experience at monarch airlines...

hey!
yea thanks for leaving a reply its great! yea i am doing work experience with monarch airlines but unfortunatly it was my last day 2day! what a great 2 week though! Yea i dont mind you asking anything if i can answer it.
Obviously as i am currently at school, we had to do 2 week work expericne and the choice is up to us where we go for the 2 week but we have to organise it ourselfs. i dont know if it is the same with other airline comapies but monarch only allow work experience placements to those who have family members who for for the company. Howvere i was lucky as a friend of my parents who is a capain got me the placement there. But if you want to do work experince then it is worth asking other airlines i suppose the worst that can happen is that they say no so just try another one!
The work i have been doing at monarch airlines is going to all the various different departments within the company and seeing how the company works toge6ther in order for things to run smoothly and efficiantly and i cant tell you enough they work so hard to just get that plane in the air and people wouldnt otherwise realise!
So what is the reasoning for you wanting work experience? I thought you wernt at school anymore ?
well thanks for the msg!
chris

i dunno if that helps anyone :s if you want to know anymore just ask!

also can anyone tell me what these phrases mean:

i know what ppl stands for - private pilots licence!) lol :P

> JAA PPL

> JAA ATPL

> F/ATPL

> IR

> CPL ( i think that stands for commercial pilots licence)

if there are any others that anyone could tell me that would be great! thanks

[arpansingla]

> JAA PPL = Joint Aviation Authorities Private Pilots License. Allows you fly your own plane around. You cannot make any monet from it though it can only be to fly yourself and maybe a few friends around. To earn monet you need a CPL - see below.

> JAA ATPL = Joint Aviation Authorities Airline Transport Pilots License = You can take command of an aircraft i.e you are the captain. You get this after 1500 hours minimum.

> F/ATPL = 'Frozen' Airline Transport Pilots License. There's no such thing its the nickname for the basic requirement to fly a passenger aircraft. This comprises of a CPL/IR with the 14 ATPL theory exams under your belt. You may also need to do an MCC course (multi crew co-operation).


> IR = Instrument Rating. Allows you fly an aircraft using instruments when its not possible to use visibility i.e there are thick clouds

> CPL = Commercial Pilots Licence. You can fly and earn money which i assume most of us would like to do!

All the best
Arpan

[madmandan1]

Hi Titch.. I saw your interest in flying on the notice board.. i have just finished my A-Levels.. and i really mucked up.. however you dont really need them as long as you go about it in the right way. I studied English and Physics failing both subjects at A2.. im looking at going to Oxford Aviation in September.. its expensive but there is a 98% chance of gainning a job at the end of it and you dont need the grades to gain entry. You do however need to have a basic understanding of GCSE Physics and Maths.. as long as you pass their skills test then you are in.. i also did some PPL flying which gives you an advantage.. they like to see some flying exp. However.. if you need some more advice add me on msn.. [email protected] and i will be more then willing to help you out.

Dan

[OneIn60rule]

Firstly, atpl is an Air line transport license and CPL is a Commercial Pilot's license.
The difference is that the ATPL requires 1500 hours to UNFREEZE once you've finished the 14 ATPL exams, that doesn't mean it's useless to you since you'll be able to fly as FO (first officer) in order to build those hours. Once you have the 1500 hours (which include a minimum of 500 hours multi!!) then you can get the chance to actually be the captain. The reason everyone goes for the ATPL is that it eliminates the hassle of redoing any exams or paying more in the end. If you just do the CPL and later decide to do the IR JAA/CAA then you have to do the IR tests, hence again why we prefer doing ATPL tests.


You need as far as I know in the USA as well as in Europe a CPL license in order to begin a CFI course, to say the least about
getting a multi engine rating or IR rating.
I know of not a single CFI who works without an IR nor would I imagine that's it


If you are serious about becoming a pilot then I highly suggest you choose to do the entire ATPL course, as to what
school to choose, that's all you. I would suggest though that you go for Bristol ground school for the ATPL, they have a
awesome rep. on line and I also have a friend who highly recommends it since he himself did it.


1/60

[scroggs]

I've just read madmandan1's post, and I have a couple of thoughts for you.

Dan says that you don't need A-levels to be a pilot, and he's quite right. He also suggests that the scientific and mathematical knowledge required for the ATPL exams is approximately equivalent to GCSE, and, again, he's correct. However, I have a small problem with the implication that it's OK to 'muck up' your A-levels because you don't need them.

A-levels are not easy, I know, but current statistics suggest that the vast majority of students should be able to get respectable results. The days of 50% failure rates are long gone. My concern is that if you attempt and fail A-levels, you are quite likely to find the study required for the ATPL exams to be rather too challenging.

The ATPL ground exams require determination, application and a bloody huge amount of work. The academic level of knowledge may not be that demanding, but the quantity of knowledge required is very large. On top of that, many of you (on distance learning courses) will be studying on your own, without supervision. If you found A-levels beyond you, you will probably seriously struggle with the ATPLs. If your failure was due to lack of work, you really need to look very carefully inside yourself to see if you really are ready for the work required to enter this profession.

For those who are several years beyond their schooling, of course things will be somewhat different. Hopefully, your maturity will have brought the ability to more accurately judge your capability to take on such a demanding undertaking. But for those of you who've just left school, and have done badly at A-levels, you need to think very carefully why that was, and what needs to change before you take on the ATPLs.

Scroggs

[SamKitch]

Hello

Just a quick question really after a Yes or No answer.

Ive just finished my A-levels gaining BBC, (Didn’t study Maths or Physics)

Currently 18

Do you think its too early for me to start pilot training?

Thanks :ok:

[gcolyer]

Put it this way...

I wish I had the money to start when I was 18!!

[BigAl's]

I wish I was 18!!!! :}

[LRdriver II]

Nope not to young. If anything you would have time on your side to choose your path in aviation. Remember that there is a world outside airline. Buy the books and start studying.

Its all about attitute and your level of maturity when it comes to approaching the training/schooling. Also be aware that you will have to stay away from your buddies when they start smoking dope, doing drugs and drink-driving etc.. basically anything thats fun with mates should really be considered before doing to avoid career conflicts.
Any stuff related to that on your record will be held against you when it comes to an interview.

[hobbit1983]

Certainly not, I wish I'd started earlier. Go for it!

The only other thing I could say would echo what LRdriver II said.

[npasque]

why not? im 18 years 6 months old, just finished MECIR. now to find some work :}

[jollypilot]

If you think you have the drive to put in the work then absolutely not, but you must bear in mind the workload is very high, much more intense than a degree for example.

Another consideration has to be funding - it is not an option to be taken lightly, many spend the money only to never get a job.

But if you are lucky enough to have the funding in place and have the drive to work hard, I think that having age on your side will help. Many employers (the wrongs of which are discussed all over these boards) do prefer younger applicants, and the learning process is easier when younger...

[SamKitch]

Hi

Thanks for your input everyone.

What worries me is only studying Physics and Maths at GCSE and still i only got a C :{

I have books that will help me but.....

Is the Physics and Maths really hard to get your head around when you only have a C grade.

Thanks :ok:

[adwjenk]

Hey,

I am currently 18 and have been in phase 2 ground school for a few weeks now and I must say the same as everyone you need a bucket load of motivation and you have to work so hard it! Ive visited friends at Uni and seen what they get up to and its laughable the amount of work they do!! (One does 9hrs a week, I do more then that in a day! Also not putting Uni students down, I know some courses are dam hard with high workloads to!)

I have a C in Maths and physics and I passed phase one first time with a 90% average, maths is certainly in their but its not to bad you can get your head around it easily! Especially if you’re in full time ground school, my instructors where excellent at helping out on any problems! Plus they made it easy to understand its formulas and the hard part is knowing where to apply them!!

Best of luck!


ADWJENK

[BigAl's]

Try not to worry too much about the old GCSE's. This is slightly off topic, but stick with me!
When I was at skool, I wanted to be an Engineer (Telecomms):rolleyes: :E.
I wasn't particularly great at Maths, and all then current advice went along the lines of.. 'you want to do engineering??? You are in foundattion set for maths (meaning a max of gradde D!! :{), there is NO WAY you can do eng, it's ALL maths' etc etc!!

I didn't let that put me off. To cut a long story short, I did an ONC Electrical / Electronic eng, followed by HNC telecomms (in which I got a distinction for maths!). Worked as a radio engineer, then as engineer surveyor witha large and well known marine life saving charity, who had the foresight to sponsor my HNC.

Moral of the story... don't give up! Work at it. If you're finding it a bit tough now, as I did, you may find that a little later on, with the right tuition it all drops into place... a bit like learning to land!!:rolleyes: :ok:

Best wishes.
BigAl's (and yes, I'd love to 18 again!)

[ultimatepro63]

18 isnt early :} im 14-15 and am reading air manuals and pilot manuals and loads of books on aviation.
Start now and it will be easier

[Dozza2k]

samktch

don't sweat skool. I managed a B at intermedate maths gcse, a D at physics a level. got onto a shorthaul jet airliner at 21. just stay committed.
good luck
d2k

[MIKECR]

"Hello

Just a quick question really after a Yes or No answer.

Ive just finished my A-levels gaining BBC, (Didn’t study Maths or Physics)

Currently 18

Do you think its too early for me to start pilot training?

Thanks"

Without trying to sound patronising, go and live a little, get some life experience, your barely out of school. Get some work experience, learn a bit about life and you will gain valuable experiences to bring to a potentiol job interview in a another year or 2.

I joined the police force at 19 and thought I was mature for my age. I unfortunately realised I had a lot to learn and had a lot of growing up to do! I remember looking back at 25 in horror at how grossly immature and unprepaired I was at 19. I knew nothing about life, nothing about work, nothing about people. Like I've said, i dont want to sound patronising, I just want to pass on my own tuppence worth from my own experience.

[capt.]

im 18 and started flying when i was 16...your not too young ...go for it!

[Superpilot]

My advice is commence your PPL and live and work for 2-3 years, you will get an appreciation of many factors and will come across as a stronger character come your airline interviews. Most importantly of all you will have an idea of what it means to be in debt and live on the edge. Many youngsters such as yourself have no appreciation of debt and what it means to be £40-60k in debt until they get themselves into it. Right now it is highly unlikely you will find employment as a pilot within the first couple of years of graduating (though it does happen). Without skills in another trade you are limited to burger flipping and scanning barcodes and a pittence of a salary.

I did my PPL at 19 and was very keen to start full time training right away. I didn't due to various factors. I commenced my ATPL at age 24 and do not regret the 5 year gap one bit.

[miikey]

well this thread seems to be for 18 year olds, well im 17 and will be turning 18 this year March.

Im currently re-sitting my AS-levels as i wanted to take physics and Maths(next year) so that i could qualify for a placement at Uni in aeronautical engineering, but i gota say im slipping big time in physics:ooh:
and i dont think i will take A-level maths next year,
so ive been thinking that i should aim for a less intensive course that is more related and will help me in pilot training ; such as an Air Transport Operations BSc (Hons) at London City University

But my main problem is that i havent been introduced fully into aviation, so it looks like ill be spending my summer holidays at White waltham airfield:ok: , i hope i can get a part time job there, ill do anything. lol as long as im next to an aircraft

[randomair]

I'd wait a little.

I was 17 when I started my training and was flying for a short haul regional jet airline just after I turned 19. Sure Its great to be in the industry young but it has its disadvantages.

For me I was very much still a young boy who just wanted to fly big planes, and thats all I thought about. However now I am 21 and I've got a different outlook on things. Sure It's a cushty ish job, but the money ain't great and It's not terribly stimulating. I can tell you the prospect of doing this for another 40 odd years is a bit daunting. Sure it has it's challenging times; adverse weather, technical and passenger problems etc, but the day to day flying is a bit boring.

By all means I enjoy my job, and I know that there is still so much to learn; but I feel I would have been able to make a more calculated decision if i waited a few years and gained some more life experiance.

Is 18 to young??....no. And even if I or anyone else discouraged you...would It make any difference to your decision? It certainly didn't discourage me.

By all means go for it, It's a great job....but remember it will become just that...a job.

Good luck

randomair

[tom89]

I'm 18 this summer and I was going through the same question for the last three years. I've decided to go to Leeds University in September to read Aviation Technology which, I hope to get a PPL done as part of the course. We are still young so I guess we should just chill at university for a few years and get to do stuff! With a predicted AAB at A2 level in Maths, Physics and Computing I hope to apply for a sponsorship in the Far East with the heavies :ok: . Anyways good luck and tell us about your decision.

[FCA767]

I don't think it is too young to start at 18. I mean my route to ppl was to study in my own time for about a year and then do a 3 week course in the usa. It can be difficult if you go over there without having read the books because there is no way I could have learnt the 5 books in 3 weeks:)

Try this

www.aviationcafe.net/ppldiary.net

[Mohit_C]

I'm joining flying school when I'll be 18+, around 18 and a half years old.

[bluepeely]

This thread makes a nice change from the "Am i too old thread" just read up there and think you'll realise that you cant really be too young . Wish i were in your shoes pal.
And b737-800 i really pity you mate being a FO on the 737 at 20yr old and finding it 'boring at times' :{ :ugh: :mad: Im crying tears of sorrow all over my wearthers originals and tartan blanket as i feel so old. Anyway Its late im off to bed

[GrahamK123]

I hope to apply for a sponsorship in the Far East with the heavies :ok:.

Good luck with that...:rolleyes:

[hollywood285]

Go for it!!!, But only after you have enjoyed your life abit more, take a year or so to do your PPL and ENJOY it, dont make it a mad rush, theres no need, the best part about flying was the training at all levels, I started my training back in 2003 and took just over a year to finish it, and since then have done the IMC and MEP courses, The MEP was the most challenging, i used to get out the Seneca 2 with sweat running down my back!!!

Also the PPL will tell you if you really want to be a pilot!!! who knows you may not like it, I love private flying, but dont think I would want to do it for a job, Its nice to do what you want to do and not be told by your boss were your going to fly! Besides my eyes are not good enough for the class 1 medical, so if I was you before you get your hopes up go for the medical.:ok:

[islandhopper]

Hi,
I started flying at 18 on turbo props(best flying ever)- and now I'm an A340 Captain at the age of 33- so I say NO 18 is not too young to start.
All the best and stick at it.
Regards

[dlav]

737-800 Boring? Ohh dear, just when you thought Air Law was bad!

Happy New Year to all us gonnabee's!

[Bartender]

Hi
Thanks for your input everyone.
What worries me is only studying Physics and Maths at GCSE and still i only got a C :{
I have books that will help me but.....
Is the Physics and Maths really hard to get your head around when you only have a C grade.
Thanks :ok:
Hi SamKitch, I'm not sure of how much relevance this'll be but I'm a first year Avionic Systems student at a Bristol University (http://www.aer.bris.ac.uk/avionics/) (one of the courses with a damn high workload) and in all honesty, the pace and difficulty involved in the maths and physics of the course, I'm finding very difficult to get used to. That said, I am enjoying it. In comparison though, out of the 4 of us on this course this year, I'm the only one who has not done Further Maths or an equivalent at A-level, I do have an A in A-Level maths and a B in physics though. If you chose to go on and work on your GCSEs, whatever you do will inevetably be more difficult.
As for all those looking to go straight into piloting, I considered the same thing but thought I should get something to fall back on first. It's oftenly said that the learning gene is a finite one. Personally I chose to make the most of it while I still can, get my degree, grow up a bit, possibly a year out for travelling after, maybe work as an engineer until I get my chartership, then go fly. I can see what others have mentioned though with regards to getting into the industry young.
Huw

[AlphaMale]

Never too young :=

But there will be issues I'd imagine. I wanted to start my training at 18 but I couldn't fund the training myself as I didn't have £50k under my pillow from the tooth fairy :bored:

I knew the only way to fund my training was to get a full time job. But with only a handful of A levels and GCSE's to my name it was going to be a while and even then I'd be competing for a left hand seat against graduates who are slightly older and have plenty of life experience.

I decided to do a degree (BSc) in computers and I have now landed a job that pays well enough to get me on my training in 12/18 months and if all should fail in my pilot training I have a professional skill that I can go back to.

So if you have £50k / enough confidence to outsmart a graduate at the interview process / don’t mind taking a chance at one job with no back up ... I guess your not too young. Nothing stopping you from doing your PPL / Night / IMC / MEP (~£9k) while at Uni and then doing the top up (ATPL/CPL/IR/MCC) after graduating :cool:

[aircockroaches]

I guess airlines are looking for HOURS and not a degree. If you passed the ATPL exams, CPL, IR etc etc, then you've already proven something.

The earlier you start, the better - provided you are mature enough, have a good background of life experiences and motivation.

I got my PPL at 17, followed by my A-Levels, and am now 18, thinking of where to go to further my training. I can go to university if I want but I don't see it necessary. Everyone has his/her own reasons why.

[bg187]

Does anybody know what the minimum age is to fly for an airline? i've heard that its only once you have 1500 hours and your 21 but surely if you can have all your licences before 21 you should be employable?

[tornado617]

Hello mate

It would be good if you could fly for an airline before the age of 21. Unfortunately the minimum age to hold a ATPL is 21.

Richard.

[anotherspaceman]

You most definately can fly for an airline before 21. The minimum age for a CPL (frozen ATPL) is 18 and there is no minimum hour legislation other than for the licence issue (around 160 hrs). You may not be an aircraft commander of an aircraft over 5700kgs without an ATPL (which requires you to be 21) but you can be an F/O. - go for it :ok: