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cessna l plate
28th Dec 2006, 10:36
Dear All
I have been reading on here for a while now, and am as fed up of this shower in charge as is most of the country.
My problem is come the next election, what do I do?? Politically you couldn't get a cigarette paper between the tory ideas and labour policy, and the only other alternative is the Liberal who will tax us even more than T B Liar & Co.
In common with most people, I think I could do a better job than this lot we have now.
So my question is, how does one go about starting a political party that will give the electorate a real choice, with some good ideas (like locking scrotes up properly, not namby pamby community sentencing)
Over to you lot, some ideas please..(No Mr Draper, we cannot hang sheep rustlers anymore)

tony draper
28th Dec 2006, 11:32
Oh I think a system wot like there was in Starship Troopers would be good.:E
Yer have to earn your right to vote.

boogie-nicey
28th Dec 2006, 11:42
Nice idea my friend but there are probably numerous small parties out there already. In order to make it into the BIG league you'll need significant funds and of course a media tycoon or two to help 'endorse' you along the way.

I hear what you're saying it's shame we've lost the distinction in politics. However it is afterall the public they're playing to and they're the ones who seem more than comfortable with accepting such bland mono policies.

matelot
28th Dec 2006, 12:26
So instead of running for office with all that entails, what about serious heavy lobbying for change? Make a lot of noise and get yourself noticed. :ugh:

Rainboe
28th Dec 2006, 12:48
They are indeed all a shower. Tax and spend crazy- easy when it's the taxpayer footing the bill! I don't have any faith the newly 'wet' Tories will undo any of the damage- I'm still recovering from the 'hug a hoodie' campaign. They won't get my vote next time. It looks like UKIP. Shame that James Goldsmith and his party didn't survive- he could just have been the charismatic, no nonsense leader that would have shaken them up in Parliament.
What a dreadful, incompetent shower leads us!

G-CPTN
28th Dec 2006, 12:51
How about starting a Party called 'None of the Above'?
Methinks it would be a winner . . .

cavortingcheetah
28th Dec 2006, 13:03
:hmm:
It is high time that a political party in England, as distinct from Britain, reflected the nationalist rights and aspirations of the average English workman. He deserves once again to take his place in the world with pride in both his country and his craftsmanship. Such a party could perhaps be called the National Socialist British Workers' Party. Such a party would certainly, and with a degree of anticipatory relish, sort out both the liberals and the opposition.:E

(Written from southern Germany.)

G-CPTN
28th Dec 2006, 13:08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(Britain)
Too Left Wing! There are many disenchanted middle and right wing voters who wouldn't be seen within a mile of such a Left Wing organisation. This applies, also to extreme Right Wing organisations such as the BNP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party).
Traditionally, the Liberals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK)) represented the 'middle ground', yet they have always lacked 'bite'. Under Paddy Pantsdown they seemed to be rallying, but they have had problems overcoming their alternative 'pants down' history of Scott of the Ar$antics and Jewemy Phorpe.
What they lack is a STRONG personality (and I don't think Menzies Campbell is it).

And as for UKIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Independence_Party), can anyone name THEIR leader? (without looking . . . )

cessna l plate
28th Dec 2006, 15:14
One question for now.
Would any of you join me??

Rainboe
28th Dec 2006, 15:20
Count me in.
Over to you lot, some ideas please..(No Mr Draper, we cannot hang sheep rustlers anymore)
Can't we, just a little bit? And shoplifters, and car vandals, greens, and all 'feral' youths, and people who can't even supply minimal cleaning standards in hospitals etc.
I'll join, but what? I don't even care what the policies are apart from 'sack all civil servants, minimise taxes, we started with the right intentions- but Iraq is out of control- stretch Saddams neck then bring the army home'. Do you need more than that?

Glamgirl
28th Dec 2006, 15:30
I'd love to be prime minister! Please can I have the job? My (imaginary) party has great policies. Some will be upset by them, but I don't really care. How about these ones:

Cut tax dramatically

Make people who are capable of working actually work (no lazy life on the dole anymore). Stress and depression is NOT a disability (been there, done it and I still worked full time the whole time)

Tougher prison sentences for crimes that deserve it (murder, rape etc)

Get rid of most speed cameras

Expand public transport and make it cheaper for people to use

Get rid of ludicrous political correctness "laws"

Certain people (like criminals) have a low level of human rights, they "signed" those away when they committed an offense (a serious one of course, not parking and the like)

Stop giving free houses to people, no matter where they come from (they'll have to work for it as much as the rest of us)

Sort out immigration (for the record, I'm NOT a racist, I just believe that people should abide by a country's rules, learn the language and integrate so we can all get on and utilise each others skills and intellect)

Get rid of Tv licence

Change the weather (it rains for 5 mins, we're flooding, etc etc)

Hmmmm, maybe I should stop now... Sorry if my party offends, but I think it's a great bunch of policies. Now I just need a catchy name...:O

matt_hooks
28th Dec 2006, 15:57
How about "f##k the country up worse than it is already"

I like some of your ideas glam, and I understand that "manifesto" does not actually mean "something that's going to happen if we get eldected" in current politico speak, but there are a few pretty serious inconsistencies in your policies.

[qoute]Expand public transport and make it cheaper for people to use[/quote]

but then

Cut tax dramatically

I would like you to explain how you would decrease the cost of public transport and increase availability, whilst reducing the available money for such projects?

Borrow more money maybe?

Or maybe a sensible policy like "tax the people who can afford it" would sit better?

Only problem with that is that the people who can afford to be taxed more also tend to have a lot of money they can "loan" your party for campaigning etc. and so have a disproportionately great influence on the outcome of an election.

On a small scale things like capping campaign spending work vey well in levelling the playing field. Works very well, for example, with university Student Union elections. Unfortunately in the grander scheme of things there is nothing to stop a private individual assisting a campaign by their own means, and this stretches to media magnates too.

On the theme of Student Union elections, on our ballets we always had a RON option, standing for Re-Open Nominations. This was for use if you did not agree with any of the candidates. If RON won the election then nominations would be reopened, and the current candidates would have to be re-nominated. Happened a couple of times where issues arose after nominations had been closed and worked pretty well.

As for starting your own party, I do rather hope you have a few million quid, and possibly a newspaper or two in your back pocket to back you up if you hope to stand any chance of winning seats.

If you come up with a manifesto for us then I'll look over it and see if I agree with your policies. If I do then I might well join you, always liked to do a bit of stirring! :)

G-CPTN
28th Dec 2006, 16:28
Current policy for 'garbage' collection is spiralling out of control with Local Authorities investing huge capital sums in sophisticated vehicles (and container systems) aimed solely at collecting the garbage. Agreed that SOME of the garbage is required to be pre-sorted by householders, but the bulk of the material collected is destined for land-fill. OK, so the garbage-collection operatives deserve protection from physical and physiological dangers (cuts and risk of ingestion or contamination by corrosive or bodily fluids), but the 'spin-off' means that the increasing size of these collection vehicles means that they are unable to service some inner-urban or outer-rural properties as they are too large to access the narrow lanes where these properties are located. This is being 'solved' by the provision of even-more sophisticated container solutions (for the rural properties) with residents having to transport their waste to these collecting-points, whilst inner-urban residents have to transport the standard 'wheelie-bins' significant distance (regardless of age or infirmity of the resident) to centralised collection points.

The new vehicles ARE expensive, so to offset this Local Authorities will purchase fewer of them (which is offset by reducing the frequency of collection). And existing vehicles (with useful remaining life) are consigned to the scrap-heap (all in the name of reducing waste through recycling). During and after the War the theme was 'make-do-and-mend' and 'salvage' rather than 'recycling', but visit any 'community waste station' (or tip) and you will find considerable quantities of amazing items that many folk would not consider to have exceeded their useful life. Rooting-through our garbage for paper, tins and glass in no way balances the electrical equipment that is being discarded, never mind the two-year old furniture.

Doors to Automatic
28th Dec 2006, 17:42
Did you know that the amount spent on all the quangos Labour has set up since 1997 is EQUAL to ALL income tax receipts (approx 125bn per year!) !!

None of the above
28th Dec 2006, 19:28
How about starting a Party called 'None of the Above'?
Methinks it would be a winner . . .
Always ready to serve!

G-CPTN
28th Dec 2006, 19:31
Sorted! . . .

cessna l plate
28th Dec 2006, 19:44
I had a few policies in mind, on the subjects that matter to most people as well.

The first and over-riding thing would be to re-empower our courts. A law would need to be passed giving the UK courts supremecy again, and thus releiving us of the many dic-tats issued from Brussels. This will then allow us to look at the following.....

1. Crime and Disorder
Forget community based punishment, tagging and the like
Currently each offence has a maximum sentence attached to it. For instance 5 years for theft. Make this into a minimum sentence. Very first time offenders will get a 50% reduction, but that's it. Rather than time off for good behavior, what about time on instead? And prison should become a place where people don't want to be, no Gyms, Sky TV and so-on. 12 hours shifts 7 days a week. The profits from what ever enterprise the prison goes into would pay for the inmates keep. For a good example see the sherriff in the USA!!! This does a couple of things. First there is a good deterent and takes away the "occupational hazard" aspect for those that know the law wont hit them that hard and so carry on. In addition those that go wont want to go back. Plod will now have the time to investigate more crime rather than chasing the same old faces. Take this then to a grass roots level and bring back corporal punishment in schools. This will teach the little darlings respect for themselves as well as others and hopefully prevent them offending in the first place.

2.Education
Return to the old 11+ system. It is fair to say that some kids are born academics, and some aren't. This isn't discriminating it is just a fact. Chances are that those that aren't that academically inclined will be better at the more practical things in life, so lets go back to the secondary modern approach. Those that are academic go that type of school, whereas those good at practical things can go to learn a trade. Pegs now fit in holes and the country is no longer reliant on other nations to provide our skilled workforce. Again, introduce some safeguards to ensure that the net isn't slipped in either direction.

3. NHS
Well, it's in such a mess, any ideas????

4. Tax
I might be wrong here, but I think it's Austria that now has a flat tax rate. What a very good idea. Less admin to work the system, everyone can do a tax return every year, whilst retaining PAYE, so anyone doing a little moonlighting falls into the pay up or else category. This also frees up HMRC staff to chase those that dodge or buck the system. On the Austrian model the rate of tax is quite low with wuite a high free pay limit as well. This just has fairness printed all over it.

5. Roads
Public transport needs taking back into national control, the railways and buses can then be sorted out at a local level. We all know the benefits of this. Cameras would on the whole be removed. Before you all shout hooray lets speed again there is a little add on. The current driving test is a joke, and there is no further monitoring of standards post test. Under my government, the test would be changed to match what is currently regarded as an advanced test, with 5 year re-testing. This could be assessment led by instructors. This would take dangerous drivers off the road and lead to vastly improved road safety. Those that fall below would then be on public transport. Simple.

That's it for now, well would you vote for me on that basis. What other things bother you?? Let's try and make something here.

G-CPTN
28th Dec 2006, 20:04
1. The immediate problem of your proposal would be a lack of capacity in HM Prisons, but I believe that there are numerous abandoned military establishments which could be brought into use for the lower security prisoners. Eventually, the increased sentences would 'filter down' to the miscreants and they would realise the folly of their (intended) ways.
2. Whilst I agree with your assessment of the success of the old 11+ system, there is no reason why 'lesser academic' students can't be taught practical skills within the existing establishments (albeit in alternative streams). However I would abandon 'bussing' in favour of returning to local schools (certainly at primary level). This move would assist 'global warming' (avoid all that transport emission).
3. Maybe the Danes could explain how THEY do it. We MIGHT have to pay more tax, but there should be savings possible in other areas.
4. A high 'no rate' tax threshold would encourage the lazy to work IMHO, and higher earners should expect to pay tax on their earnings.
5. Agree with the higher-standard five-year tests. Of course more instructors/examiners would be required (paid for from the test fees).

Doors to Automatic
28th Dec 2006, 20:14
I would make all drugs legal and available free on prescription. This would destroy organised crime in the country in one instant, as well as getting rid of 80% of other crime overnight.

Then I would farm out all lifers to Siberia where it is cheaper to keep them.

I'd also get rid of the Criminal Rghts Act and legal aid thus eliminating the armies of vulture lawyers who are bleeding us dry - no more criminals being let off on technicalities whilst we all pay for it.

Absolute zero-tolerance for anti-social behaviour. Secret surveliance of gangs and then send the riot police in to kick ass.

Rename the ASBO - call it the Bad Behaviour Order - shortened to BAD BO - that would stop the scroats collecting it as a badge of honour. Three BAD BOs and you go down to boot camp to get cleaned up for a year then into the army.

A year of that and we would have our country back once again. Just takes someone with a bit of backbone.

Glamgirl
28th Dec 2006, 20:40
Some great ideas and policies coming up now, sounds like a fab party. I've got a few others...

Make military service compulsory again (gets some discipline and skills for certain folks)

Leave the EU all together (see how Switzerland and Norway are coping?)


Make schools have proper sex education which means (hopefully) fewer teenage pregnancies and possibly halt the rise in std's

Compulsory pay cuts for professional footballers, as no-one is worth over 100k (pounds but can't find pound sign on pc) a week.

Ban shell suits due to fire hazard

That's my instalment of ideas for the party. I'll put my thinking cap back on now and come up with something really excellent.

I'd be quite happy to sort out the NHS. I've got a few ideas for that...

Gertrude the Wombat
28th Dec 2006, 20:54
Cut tax dramatically

Yep, good one that, everyone agrees with that.

Trouble is, you next have to offer then a list of public services and ask them which ones they'd like cut. At which point they mostly mumble and mutter and wander off to do something else. (After putting "waste" at the top of their list, of course, but when you ask them to point out a particular budget line in a particular public body that they regard as "waste" you just get the mumbling and muttering again.)

So, the mainstream parties are where they are because that's what the people want.

Sure, you can start a new party way beyond the envelope somewhere, but you won't get enough votes for anyone to care that you've done it.

The real professional politicians - the election techies and the like, people whose names you've never heard of mostly - aren't completely stupid, you know, they've got decades of experience and a lot of science and computer models that do actually predict what's going to happen at least sometimes.

Doors to Automatic
28th Dec 2006, 21:05
I bet you could cut tax by 30-40% and improve public services. The problem now is that so much is wasted on political correctness. It is good in one respect that it pumps more cash around the system and keeps the economy going (true Keynesian economics) but it could just be spent a bit wiser!

cessna l plate
28th Dec 2006, 21:45
Money can be saved wholeheartedly from leaving Europe altogether, the problem is that the business community, who to be fair bankroll the country, wouldn't like it. That said we should water down our involvement, re establish import limits and re-secure our borders. By watering down our commitment to Europe, we can then also reduce our payments as well. Should save a few billion overnight.

As for prison overcrowding, well the old maxim holds good for me, "can't do the time, don't do the crime" All persons upon being sentenced to prison will lose all "rights" that they currently hold. I personally don't care that 5 sweaty blokes are curled up in one cell. Add into that the fact that 12 hour shifts at work will be mandatory, by having a night shift as well means you can put 8 blokes into a 4 man cell. Simple

The military actually sounds a good idea, athough not across the board. As a possible sentence from the courts to teenagers that offend, then yes. I daresay that some of these "hard" young men might change after a few words of encouragement from a sergeant major!!!!!

Keep going, this is getting good!

TBirdFrank
28th Dec 2006, 23:15
I will vote for the first party that promises -

"Every Central and Local Government employee who doesn't do a manual job to be told they will have to re -apply for their post - with full supporting documentation!"

Just imagine how many time serving camp followers could be flushed out by that simple measure.

Oh - Town Planners and Social Workers need not re-apply - their applications would be rejected on sight or simply by feel as they would probably announce themselves by weight

Binoculars
29th Dec 2006, 04:17
Nobody without assets of over a million allowed to vote.

Public humiliation in the stocks for a first misdemeanour.

Capital punishment for the third offence; doesn't matter what offence.

Free public executions.

Quadruple defence spending and have a permanent manned guard around the coast.

All judges to be either past or current policemen or military personnel and to be fully armed at all times in court.

Ban defence lawyers. Everyone knows who the guilty ones are. Try them, find them guilty and shoot them in court. The judges can do that.

Llibraries are full of commie crap. Privatise them and see how long they last then.

Free beer.

Free porn.

Free internet.

No speed limits.

No gun restrictions.

No wogs. Send them all back where they came from and get this country back to greatness. Arabs, Muslims, Pakis, we all know who they are, let's stop pussyfooting around.

Outsourcing! Outsource everything we don't want or who don't pay for themselves to Russia; chavs, hoons, liberals, academics, environmentalists, artists, ballet dancers, opera singers, homeless, anybody who can't speak English, pensioners, war veterans, lunatics, social workers. Anybody who takes anything from the public purse. Anybody with a beard. If they argue, shoot 'em.

(What? No, not nurses, stupid. No, not doctors either. Or police, we need more of them to protect the homes of decent law-abiding god-fearing white citizens. Oh ok smartarse, not firemen either, but teachers, my oath. Bloody tree huggers, never done a day's work in their lives. Filling our kid's heads with liberal crap. School of hard knocks, that's how to learn. Never went past year 8 and it never did me any bloody harm.)

And above all, reduce taxes. Bring back the incentive to work and get plasma TV's.

Let's make this bloody country great again! The gummint orta do sumthin about it.


OK. Now, who's with me?

Krystal n chips
29th Dec 2006, 08:18
I will vote for the first party that promises -
"Every Central and Local Government employee who doesn't do a manual job to be told they will have to re -apply for their post - with full supporting documentation!"
Just imagine how many time serving camp followers could be flushed out by that simple measure.
Oh - Town Planners and Social Workers need not re-apply - their applications would be rejected on sight or simply by feel as they would probably announce themselves by weight
Sounds a very reasonable proposition to me :ok: However, you will, no doubt, be gratified to learn that they are pressing for a 1000 pay increase---and a cut in hours in the New Year---whilst presumably remaing firmly entrenched with their 18th century concepts and seemingly unware life has changed slightly outside the confines of their insular world. :mad:
cessnalplate
Re "our commitment to Europe". I take it your impending trip to Disneyworld Paris is not a gesture of entente cordiale then ?--Blackpool would surely have sufficed. :hmm:
Bino's
A Mr Cameron will be contacting you shortly with regard to the premature publication of the party manifesto. :p :E

BenThere
29th Dec 2006, 10:20
Binos,

You may be a redneck.

allan907
29th Dec 2006, 11:31
Binos - just one teensy query. Who pays for the judges ammo? Once that's been sorted out I'm with you! Bugger the half-assed and badly thought out ideas by Glamgirl:ok:

frostbite
29th Dec 2006, 13:15
Binos, you say "Capital punishment for the third offence; doesn't matter what offence."
Which is all well and good, but some laws are quite ridiculous, e.g. "No wogs. Send them all back where they came from and get this country back to greatness. Arabs, Muslims, Pakis, we all know who they are, let's stop pussyfooting around." whilst an admirable sentiment, could count as your first strike, according to some.

TBirdFrank
29th Dec 2006, 23:33
Oi - leave out the beards - well the nicely trimmed and maintained ones anyway!

allan907
30th Dec 2006, 01:17
No such thing as a "nicely trimmed and maintained" beard.

Off with his head!

A bearded one looks so much better stuck on the end of a pike at the city gates.

Capt. Queeg
30th Dec 2006, 07:36
Binos that's the first post of yours I've ever agreed with. Too bad I sense a glimmer of irony. Or are you attempting to throw everyone off the scent of your true redneckism with a deliberate use of extreme irony....

Whatever, good skills...

If it works for the poms, it should work here.

Let's throw the pakis, arabs and moosos out on their tits. AFTER they've been made to work for a pittance to construct new pubic transport infrastructure, hospitals, schools, pubs, etc, with the expenses being covered by the sale of the homes they will no longer need.

This will sort out the funding issues matthooks has got himself so worked up over.

Try it in Tamworth first as a controlled experiment.


PS and the indians. Apart from a few neutereds to run the restaurants.

cavortingcheetah
30th Dec 2006, 08:14
:hmm:

Seems as though there is an ongoing if under stated support drifting through these pages for the aforementioned politically aspirant party.
Speaking of which, parties that is, and, totally disregarding the murder of jolly old SH by the forces controlling the overburdened and under supplied British and American invaders of a sovereign state:

Happy New Year to one and all.!:D

West Coast
30th Dec 2006, 08:17
My first act would be to make Liberals take reality seriously.

Binoculars
31st Dec 2006, 02:15
Binos that's the first post of yours I've ever agreed with.

As long as you keep disagreeing with me, Queeg, I'll know I'm going in the right direction.

cessna l plate
2nd Jan 2007, 10:31
Is this not getting a little silly gents???

On imigration I would be happy to adopt the Australia model. If you have skills that we need, in you come, everyone else wanting to come here would need to apply go through a lengthy application process, and would not be allowed in until that had been completed. In addition anyone coming in would be required to be sponsored, and would have no rights to any of the national services (NHS, weflare etc) until they had paid 5 years taxes, and if found guilty of ANY offence within the 5 years, instant deportation. Not hard to impose really.

KnC - Consider my trip to be a fact finding mission. I found out all I need to know about other Euoropean countries to know that we need to keep our involvement in the European community to a minimum!

This started as a thought, but the more I think about it, the more I think that I could do a better job than those that do it now. So who fancies a trip to parliament??? (I will need some ministers)

TBirdFrank
2nd Jan 2007, 11:48
So when do we found the "None of the Above" party then???

Have you seen this morning's news that now local councillors are looking for increases in their allowances "due to overwhelming public opinion that they are currently too low"

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????

I don't recall being asked and may have said something slightly against that view if I had been!

XXTSGR
2nd Jan 2007, 18:16
TBF, my suspicion is that a councillor asked his wife, and she said "Yes, dear" whilst doing her knitting.

That constitutes 100% positive response - i.e., "overwhelming".

tilewood
2nd Jan 2007, 19:54
I feel a revolution coming on !!

And not before bl**dy time!! Now come on lads you don't want to to see
me when I'm angry !!

By the way when's Tone back only I have to get Gordon to put a hot water
bottle in his bed ! ;)

cessna l plate
2nd Jan 2007, 20:34
Just been listening to the news, and under the "you couldn't make it up" section I discovered that train fairs are to rise again. So far ops normal until you hear the reason is to "reduce overcrowding"

I thought president Bliar wanted more people on public transport and off the roads, well here's a good way to acheive it!!!:ugh:

I've just spent the weekend in France, good clear motorways, lots of public transport, at a sensible price I'm told, if they can do it, why can't we?
For my money we are now at the point where the government should take the "great" out of Great Britain, there is nothing great about this country anymore.
Not many years ago we had trains that you could set your watch by, buses that were frequent, safe and affordable, an aircraft industry that produced airliners that the world (apart from the USA) envied, and bought!!, an engineering industry that produced some of the finest craftmanship ever seen, I could go on, what do we have today?
Call centre sweat shops, erm.... can't think of anything else really. We copy other peoples good ideas (lo-co carriers for instance) and anyone with a good work ethic has been dowtrodden on the name of the shareholders dividends! It needs to stop. Our open borders need closing. Our fat cats need to be brought into line. Our industry needs to be re-invented. Our public transport needs to be back in government ownership, all of it! Our Health & Safety needs to be sensible. Kids wearing goggles to play conckers is silly! We need Great Britain back! Who's with me??

Krystal n chips
2nd Jan 2007, 21:42
Just been listening to the news, and under the "you couldn't make it up" section I discovered that train fairs are to rise again. So far ops normal until you hear the reason is to "reduce overcrowding"
I thought president Bliar wanted more people on public transport and off the roads, well here's a good way to acheive it!!!:ugh:
I've just spent the weekend in France, good clear motorways, lots of public transport, at a sensible price I'm told, if they can do it, why can't we?
For my money we are now at the point where the government should take the "great" out of Great Britain, there is nothing great about this country anymore.
Not many years ago we had trains that you could set your watch by, buses that were frequent, safe and affordable, an aircraft industry that produced airliners that the world (apart from the USA) envied, and bought!!, an engineering industry that produced some of the finest craftmanship ever seen, I could go on, what do we have today?
public transport needs to be back in government ownership, all of it! Our Health & Safety needs to be sensible. Kids wearing goggles to play conckers is silly! We need Great Britain back! Who's with me??

This little political about turn wouldn't be the result of your little excursion to er, EUROPE would it ?. :p :E

Blacksheep
3rd Jan 2007, 02:05
However it is afterall the public they're playing to and they're the ones who seem more than comfortable with accepting such bland mono policies.The voter turn out at the last election suggests that it is the minority who accept "the bland mono policies". Almost half of the population are so apathetic to all of the existing parties that they don't vote at all. Not necessarily because they don't want to - one suspects that many, if not most of the non-voters are like me, left with no party to vote for.

The question is, what policies would bring the disenfranchised back to the polling booths? From the general feeling of Jet Blast, the existing parties are seen to be well to the left of centre. A recognisably right wing party could at least control the house, if not actually govern as a majority party in its own right.

XXTSGR
3rd Jan 2007, 09:33
I discovered that train fairs are to rise againBlimey! There are fairs on trains now? Excellent idea! Well, they've already got the dodgems and the waltzers... Ghost rides as well! All we need is a little candy floss and toffee apples!

I suspect that what was originally meant was "train fares" - a slightly different concept. But then, people in "Great" Britain can't even be bothered to spell, punctutate and use grammar correctly any longer.

Did anyone else ponder the meaning of:-By the way when's Tone back only I have to get Gordon to put a hot water bottle in his bed !?

Anyone else clear about why "G"B is going down the pan?

cessna l plate
4th Jan 2007, 10:32
My Dear Krystal
It is not an "about turn" it is a plain statement of fact that another country can provide public services that work, I could have used any other country in the world, even some of the less "developed" countries on this planet have better public services than the UK has!

Terribly sorry about the spelling mistake, promise it wont happen again. (Note to self, 100 lines "I must spell correctly")

I am not against the original idea of the EEC. A group of countries coming together to trade together for an economic gain. It has now though got more serious than that, and we are heading in the direction of a United States of Europe. My main issue is why are we as a country paying billions per year to a faceless organisation that cannot even decide where it wants to live, and therefore moves twice a year at God only knows what cost! An organisation that acheives little other than issung silly rules about what we can, or more often "not", do in our own country. It is even now admitting new members that have the economic stability and ability of a wet haddock. Just what is Bulgaria going to bring to the party, other than a burden on the taxes that we pay in the UK, by the EU demanding, and el presidente letting them, put our contribution up.

We should take a more sideline position, with contributions to match. I wonder how many schools / hospitals / public services etc can be bought and run for what we pay this lot every year. Ever heard the saying "charity begins at home"?

Ultimately it should be put to a referendum, does the UK want to be at the front, on the side, or altogether out of Europe? Then we would know what to do and where to go!

cessna l plate
6th Jan 2007, 12:49
Following on from reading the thread about murderers escaping from prison (Human rights???) the thought has crossed my mind that less than 100 years ago they would have been found at the end of a rope, and yet today are free (literaly) to continue their miserable lives. Although that I appreciate that JB is not the most huggy fluffy place in the world, would any of you support a return to the death penalty? It was originally done away with due to too many mistakes, and rightly so. But in todays advanced society do we have the ablility through DNA technology to be 100% right that we are hanging the right person?
And which sort of crimes should attract this penalty? All murders, or the routine "police and prison officers". What about the upper end of the criminal scale altogether, murder, rape and so-on.
Failing that what about the principal that life means life! Coupled with my original ideas of incarceration of the criminal fraternity, would this work?
Finally, Tony Draper for Home Secretary!!!!!!!

Binoculars
6th Jan 2007, 14:02
Mr. Plate, while I applaud the depth of your feelings in this matter, it would appear that even in the rather straight-laced and decidedly non-"huggy fluff" forum that is Pprune, most people are sufficiently worldly to realise that having a good whinge on an internet forum is as close as it's possible to come to having your "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" stance make any difference.

You are now left with the choice of continuing your quixotic campaign here to diminishing numbers of listeners, or joining the honourable list of amiable ratbags who have done the Lord Sutch route and attempted to form a party that would make a difference.

That none has yet succeeded in that estimable goal should not put you off. I envy those with the wherewithal to attempt it. I myself decided long ago that even the patrons of my beloved aero club weren't ready for (read interested in) my views, which is why I now restrict my comments here almost entirely to the cricket thread.

As I found on this very thread, even sledge hammer irony is too subtle for some. :hmm:

nosefirsteverytime
6th Jan 2007, 14:05
Party polertics is dead.

Should go to a wise elder system.

Everyone in parliment should be an independent.

Wonder what that would do?

cessna l plate
8th Jan 2007, 10:07
Fair point binos, so having now vented my spleen somewhat, let's go back to the original question I posed, how does one go about starting up a political party ???

Choxolate
8th Jan 2007, 14:08
Fair point binos, so having now vented my spleen somewhat, let's go back to the original question I posed, how does one go about starting up a political party ???
Just do it - if you can raise the cash for publicity from like minded individuals.

Re-entry
8th Jan 2007, 16:55
XXTSGR. Since when was punctuate spelt 'punctutate'?
If you want to be a spell nazi, at least get it right yourself.

Helmet on.

XXTSGR
8th Jan 2007, 17:01
Re-entry - I can spell very well, thank you. My typing, however, sometimes leaves a little to be desired (accuracy, for example! :{ ).