Williamtown Airspace Deactivated

[whaet]

Hi guys,
I understand that when the airspace is deactivated CTAF procedures apply on 118.3.
Are any restrictions on landing a private aircraft there for a few hours... Any clearances or approvals required?
Thanks
James

[Slezy9]

I dont know off the top of my head but check ERSA. If you do need approval dont try and get it at this time of the year as every one is on holidays.

No wars please, its Christmas.

[Sunfish]

ERSA says in very large bold capital letters: AD NOT open for public use........RAAF PPR for all CIV OPS, CAO 20.17 refers

[whaet]

Okay thanks i thought that was the case
Was eager to fly up for the morning and check out the museum
Anybody know of any airports within a hop of sydney that have a museum or at least something to get out and look at?
whaet

[Ratshit]

ERSA says in very large bold capital letters: AD NOT open for public use........RAAF PPR for all CIV OPS, CAO 20.17 refers

whaet - It says "RAAF PPR for all CIV OPS"! It doesn't say - civies can never ever land here!

I have no experience with Williamstown but suggest if you want to fly in to visit the museum - ring them up and ask them.

I have had approval to fly into a number of military bases over the years.

R:cool:

[Zhaadum]

Whaet,

NOWRA. RAN Fleet Air Arm Museum ( whatever it is called.)

PPR required but very easy to get. Check ERSA.

A good display of aircraft and I think they have a cafe there too. Great day out.

Cheers,

Z.:ok:

[Di_Vosh]

Mate,

There are plenty of civvy aircraft that operate out of Richmond.

I've never landed there, as I've only ever flown through the airspace doing aerial photography. In my "alternate" job I've spent many hours lying down on the tarmace with a parachute on (waiting for the next sortie) and watching the lighties doing circuits, etc.

I've not got an ERSA with me, but there will be a number to call for arranging PPR. If not, ring the tower (during business hours) and they'll give you the number to call. :ok:

If not Richmond, then Zhaadum is right on the money wrt NAS Nowra. I have landed there, and it is easy to get permission. The museum there is quite good, though (understandably) it is primarily a Naval air museum.

DIVOSH!

[oldpinger]

If you haven;t got an ERSA try-

http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/

you can look at and print all the info you need.:8

I'll vouch for the cafe at Nowra as well!

[LookinDown]

Despite the Ersa entry to the contrary, when I spoke with the duty officer about 6 weeks ago to request an approval to land at Nowra to view the museum during deactivated hours, I was told that private aircraft can now only visit on RAN business. That was 6 weeks ago however and the policy has probably changed since...2 or 3 times at least.

[Ratshit]

Despite the Ersa entry to the contrary, when I spoke with the duty officer about 6 weeks ago to request an approval to land at Nowra to view the museum during deactivated hours, I was told that private aircraft can now only visit on RAN business. That was 6 weeks ago however and the policy has probably changed since...2 or 3 times at least.

If the RAN operate the museum, wouldn't visiting it be RAN business?

R:cool:

[Bendo]

... RAAF won't let CHTR ops into WLM on an ad-hoc basis and regard corporate ops as a lower form of life. NCL Airport are very happy for all comers of course :rolleyes:

"If your clients need to go to Newcastle they can land at Maitland".

Maybe whaet can land at Maitland and just stroll over to Willy? :mad:

Wasn't always that way, pre 2001 CHTR ops were more than welcome. :(

[TLAW]

Despite the Ersa entry to the contrary, when I spoke with the duty officer about 6 weeks ago to request an approval to land at Nowra to view the museum during deactivated hours, I was told that private aircraft can now only visit on RAN business. That was 6 weeks ago however and the policy has probably changed since...2 or 3 times at least.

I had the same experience - duty officer gives me a number and tells me I have permission to conduct an approach, but NOT, say again NOT to land. OK, I thinks, I'll just do a go-around. Sorry pax, no museum today. On downwind ATC clears me to land. :mad: Talk about discouraging. They may as well have built the museum on the highway.

[Like This - Do That]

What on earth makes people think that GA is for transportation? Heavens above .... imagine anyone having a need to fly to Newcastle in their own (or rented) aeroplane! How peculiar .... And imagine flying to an airport with an aviation museum?!?!?:confused:

Willy has been off limits for yonks, but I'm surprised Nowra is now similarly afflicted; it was always so easy to arrange. Is this more post-9/11 stupidity?

[bentleg]

If the RAN operate the museum, wouldn't visiting it be RAN business?
R:cool:
The museum at Nowra is not operated by the RAN. When I last flew in there (with appropriate permission) I was escorted "off the base" by Naval Police (in a very friendly way) to go to the museum, and had to call a number for them to open a gate so I could "go onto the base" to get back to my plane. As said by others - the museum and cafe are very good.
The best museum to visit is Temora. The aircraft there are all maintained in flying condition and they do a superb display on their regular flying days. http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/

[Wheeler]

The guys at Nowra could not be more helpful in my experience. They are very security conscious as one might expect but have never had problems getting an approval number, from the phone number in ERSA to go to the museum (yet). Just call in on the CTAF(R)with your number, taxi up to the museum and someone will be waiting. (I do hope they haven't changed that.) Also, its great to fly-in when they have a flying day. Did once arrive unannounced due to an electrical failure in dodgey weather. That did cause a bit of a flap with military vehicles chasing me as I landed. They just took all of my details and were then most helpful, found me an engineer, offered to drive me to town, found me a phone, coffee etc etc. A really friendly bunch.
I have not been to Williantown but have heard of similar experiences and procedures for visitors.

The place I'd like to get into is Jervis Bay - but I understand that's not on(?) Anyone know different?