Bigger queues

[lplsprog]

LPL to introduce £2 turnstiles for PAX to enter security! Another chance to screw you for more money or legitimate scheme to pay for extra security?:confused:

[eastern wiseguy]

Any chance of a link? or more information?

[Chuffer Chadley]

Waaaaa!

Nice try, lplsprog, but I don't think anyone will bite on that, even here!
Happy landings
CC

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Waaaa !!!
Better try here instead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6175361.stm
Hope it helps
Be lucky
David

[Big Tudor]

So Peel Holdings, a company making millions of pounds, can't afford the additional £3million for increased security? What a load of cr4p! Just how much are the turnstiles going to cost and maintain? What happens when they, like so much of the meccano set that is Liverpool Aiport, fails and/or falls apart.
I have had the misfortune to use the collection of portakabins that mascarade as an airport by the side of the river Mersey on more than one occasion lately. I'm happy to say I will never, as long as I have breath in my body, be lining Peel Holdings pockets with my hard earned. This airport is an embarrassment to aviation, and this latest con to extract money from passengers shows the airport owners up for the money grabbing incompetants that they are.
Oh, and not content with banning private taxis from the front of the airport building they now propose charging black cabs £2,400 per year for the honour of picking up passengers! This place really does beggar belief. :mad:

[Holdposition]

Just don't use the place, nothing lost and lot gained can always go to Man sure that would sway them to think again, as saying goes vote with your feet.

[lplsprog]

Not using the place might work but if it is seen to be bringing money into the coffers you can bet your life the other airports will follow suit as soon as possible. Then you're back to square one!:ooh:

[Haven't a clue]

In the case of LPL, the airport is yet to make a profit, according to there own press statement, security costs have trebled in the past five years.

Not the fault of the pax, though. More down to to overly generous deals given to the LCCs. Presumably it is the duration of those deals which precludes the airport passing on these extra security costs to the airlines who in turn will pass them on to the pax through increased ticket prices. So the airport is looking to recoup through the turnstiles. Every now and then in any business something goes wrong with the cost base and good management should always have flexibility in it's pricing agreements or adequate reserves to absorb the cost until the opportunity to fix the problem comes around. It seems that the dash for growth by Peel Holdings has overlooked this.

Incidently I am fed up with pricing policy of the airline business as whole. Everything which was previously considered part of the cost is now being extracted and charged separately as an extra - fuel, insurance, security, APD, airport handling charges, food, baggage, seat selection, "service" charges, credit card fees; this list goes on and on. On some routes the cost of these extras far exceeds the actual ticket price. There will come a time when the customer base has had enough. Soon, I hope!

[manx crab]

Bluel0gic

Nearly every business has government imposed charges but airlines and now airports seem to want their cake and to eat it too!.

Supermarkets for example have to pay for waste disposal, would you be happy to buy your weekly shopping, pay for it at the checkout and then find the only exit barred by a turnstile requiring an extra charge for waste disposal which you would either have to pay or leave your shopping there.

This security is part of the costs of running an airport and should be passed to the airlines who in turn can pass it on to the consumer if they wish. It is about time the Office of Fair Trading or whatever it is now called put a stop to this practice in the airline industry which is getting way beyond a joke.

[lplsprog]

easyJet have now taken legal advice on this charge and are urging PAX not to pay it. They say their agreement with LPL does not allow the airport to levy more security charges as this is included in their contract with them. Ryanair have been quiet on this which is unlike them.
The barriers have now been installed and the the ticket machines on the ground floor are in place. Looking forward to the next installment!!:hmm:

[aegean]

fine, but i don't get it: why do they want to create bigger queues? Can't they just include the £2 in the ticket price? (airport tax or whatever)

[SXB]

I don't know for sure but I suspect it's probably perfectly legal. I'm not even sure the the European Commission will have any objections either, airports are run as a business and they compete with each other on that basis so it could be argued that if one airport decides to levy an extra charge for it's services then this is a business decision and it is for the customer to choose whether or not to use their services.

The interesting point would be the obligations of the carrier and if they have to make you aware of such a charge. Many airports around the world levy an 'Exit Tax' and I've never been made aware of this in advance by the carrier, if you don't pay then you can't use the airport.

[AUTOGLIDE]

It's all a part of the plan whereby airports and airlines do everything they can to annoy passengers and treat them like dog excrement. The passengers, for the most part, whinge about it but then carry on as normal using the same airports and airlines even when there are other reasonable and sensible alternatives.

[Itswindyout]

Is already in the ticket price......so why have a tax on the tax, or am I missing the point.
I do hope that EVERONE who passes thru security pays, ie retail staff, police, crew, as well as the security staff themselves....or am I missing the point.

[ATCO1987]

Airport security charge? Pah, ridiculous.

Hmm wonder if that would mean a payrise for me though....doubt it!

[elgan]

And wot happens if you don't have any spare change after being in Travelex land side?!?! I'll just take some Hong Kong Dollars with me, and see if they take those!!

Now....how high are those barriers to jump!? :}

[ESCNI]

What about a boycott of all of the retail outlets at the airport?

Could that persuade them to drop this iniquitous tax?

[AUTOGLIDE]

Hi
In your opinion what would be the other alternatives?
Well let's think. The North West region has two main airports in MAN and LPL. Not too far away for those in the East of the region is Leeds Bradford, and for those in the South of the region BHX. The North of the region now also has growing Blackpool services too. Liverpool also has a sea port, and Holyhead is not hugely far away either which is handy as Dublin is one of the most popular destinations from the North West.
There are trains to MAN from all over the North and Scotland. There are buses to LPL, including those from central Manchester.
Considering that travellers from across the region criss-cross it to these various airports, which often offer pretty much the same routes (MAN LH being the exception but then again this thread is about LPL) then It seems you wouldn't really have to do much to find alternatives... :ugh:

[carousel]

Place the turnstiles at the concourse doors and charge everybody £5.00 to come in, that should deter the dossers coming in for a warm,the taxi/private hire touts looking to rip you off, and 15/20 relatives coming to see uncle off for his trip to the old country.

[Haven't a clue]

Place the turnstiles at the concourse doors and charge everybody £5.00 to come in, that should deter the dossers coming in for a warm,the taxi/private hire touts looking to rip you off, and 15/20 relatives coming to see uncle off for his trip to the old country.

Yeh...something sensible at last..!:ugh:

[lplsprog]

Barriers not operational yet, something to do with their workings according to management. Second thoughts maybe after EZY campain against?:E

[Haven't a clue]

From Manx Radio today:

http://www.manxradio.com/readItem.aspx?ID=10648&cate=General


Quote:

A spokesman for Liverpool's John Lennon Airport says they have had "very little negative comment" regarding the introduction of an additional £2 charge to go through security.

The airport says the charge is needed to cover increasing security costs, although major user EasyJet (which doesn't fly to the Isle of Man) says these are already covered by fare supplements paid by passengers.

Although turnstiles have been installed, the charge hasn't been actually levied as yet, although it was scheduled to be introduced on Monday.

General Manager for Corporate and Community Affairs at Liverpool John Lennon Airport, Robin Tudor, says they have to cover their costs somehow, and he doesn't agree that this is already covered in arrangements with airlines such as Easyjet: (first audio clip)

The DHSS on the Island has expressed concerns about the charge, as the Manx Government pays for 6,000 patients a year to fly to Merseyside for specialist treatment.

It would therefore face the possibility of having to find an extra £12,000 per annum.

Mr Tudor says he sympathises with their position and is prepared to have discussions to try and find a way forward: (second audio clip)

If you want to listen to the audio try the link!

[lplsprog]

Barriers still not in operation and various signs for their operation and use have been removed. I wonder why??:confused:

Latest is that they are having meetings with the airlines on the introduction of this charge. Bet it gets incorporated into the "additional charges" that all airlines add on to their published fares:E

[ESCNI]

Any more news on this please?

[Haven't a clue]

So have these plans to directly charge pax £2 each now been abandoned?:}

[manintheback]

Report in the papers last week suggests the barriers will be removed. Apparently the Airlines got together and forced the management of JL airport to back down.

[ESCNI]

:D

Well done, folks!

[lplsprog]

The charges in their original form have been abandoned but the equipment remains in place. As this equipment cost a lot of money, the management may reimpose the charge in another format, as a voluntary contribution for fast tracking. Hope nobody does contribute if they do introduced it and it is confined to the bin where it belongs.

[take-off]

Have read on the blackpool airport website that the airport has stated it isnt going to charge for security....as said in prevoius post dont use liverpool, use blackpool, more friendly and easier.....

[take-off]

why shouldnt people see family and relatives off, for some it can be a stressfull thing flying... seems these days that some people that work in avaiation, doesnt want general public near them, mabe supermarkets could do the same , only allow the person paying the bill into the store, no more drunks and kids running around:ugh: