Imagine life without Rule 5 Low Flying (video)

[Heliport]

Posted by clearfinalsno1 in the Private Flying forum.
(His/her thread title.)



I don't know if such a rule or organisation comparable to the CAA existed in Rio in the 1960's. However this Helicopter Pilot certainly doesn't care. Some extraordinary flying is shown in this video (I think it is from a 60's movie). Any unseen telephone or tram wires that exist in so many european cities would have been disastrous.

Enjoy:
Video: Very low level helicopter flight in Rio (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=96309eda84)

[Stringfellow Dork]

:eek:
I have had dreams like that...

[rotorrookie]

OMG wow how stupid is that!! notice how hyper-active the guy is :ugh: :ugh: crasy mofo

but must have been fun though

[CRAZYBROADSWORD]

what are you people like if you watch the video you will see that the pilot is not flying and in one case leans out the side with no wind effects,the camara shots are too steady to be anything other than a nose or side mount,you never see the 300 in any shots over the town apart from the ones with our hero in and they all look fine to me.this not some nutter with a heli but a proper film it may look mad but that was probably the whole point.


Rant over :}

[Whirlygig]

There must be a lot of editing - in one shot, there is no passenger yet who is taking the shots of the pilot? The pilot is also sitting on the wrong side for a 300C! Who would have pressed his button?

Agreed I thought there was something odd about the flying; one doesn't want to let go of the cyclic for more than a nanosecond normally!

Cheers

Whirls

[rattle]

QUOTE=CRAZYBROADSWORD not some nutter with a heli QUOTE
Not sure how adding a nose mount makes this suddenly acceptable! Obviously he is on the ground when the exterior shots are done with him hanging out (where would the camera be otherwise), but there is a clear 300 shadow on the beach at one point.
Still love to fly through a tunnel though - and trigger a GATSO as I exit....

[Stringfellow Dork]

Agreed I thought there was something odd about the flying; one doesn't want to let go of the cyclic for more than a nanosecond normally!

He's even "flying" fairly low with left hand on the cyclic at one point (3:27) and seems to be climbing. I think it is safe to assume the guy in yellow ain't the pilot.

[Impress to inflate]

How life should be !!:D

[Whirlygig]

and trigger a GATSO as I exit....
You'd be unlikely to that in a Schweizer!

Cheers

Whirls

[topendtorque]

the cyclic is nearly up to his shoulder at times, then every time he lurches forward, with the cyclic, the attitude doesn't change.

crack him off, Elvis was much better in blue Hawaii

[rudestuff]

I always found the 300/269 to be pretty benign when flown hands-off if you trim it right... calm air of course. And when you use your right hand to do the radio, steering with the knees becomes quite run of the mill. Also useful for folding maps, repositioning headsets etc...

[Camp Freddie]

I really like this video, it reminds you a little of what helicopters are capable of.

obviously things must get safer all the time, but when you are looking at a 40 year old video, it is IMO ill advised to look at it with the current safety culture and criticise what they did then.

having said that there are some things that stand out as being strange such as them all standing round the helipad as he lands at the end !

but what this really brings home to me is how much the world has changed and yet it is the same (if you know what I mean) !

regards

CF

[thecontroller]

i have my doubts about this video also. the cycle seems awfully high and he just doesnt look like he's flying it

[clearfinalsno1]

Thank you Camp Freddie for reply in the spirit of things. There's been lots of discussion as to whether the guy in yellow is the actual pilot. This misses the point that someone has still flown a helicopter in this manner.

Yes, Freddie, I was surprised at how close the people are in the final helipad shot. Also as it emerges from the tunnel and the camera pans right, there are people just standing on the pavement.

Some comments on the original webpage hosting the video suggest that the 60's were the golden age of Rio and that it was supposed to be a model for future cities, with a Concorde link to Europe. The roads certainly look new and devoid of vehicles. All this has changed in less than half a lifetime ! What does the future hold?

[Camp Freddie]

this film is called "Roberto Carlos em Ritmo de Aventura" further info can be found here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0188180/ I note that the reviews were poor.
Mr Carlos was and is a highly succesful brazilian singer and his profile can be found here and it says that the footballer was named after the singer !http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Carlos_%28singer%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Carlos_%28singer%29)
I guess its safe to say he wasnt flying it, but who cares, someone was as mr finalsno1 said.

regards

CF

[407 too]

i really don't think this was a 60's video, was the hughes 300 even around then ??

look at his hair style - not really the 60's

no video back then, so if shot with film equipment, would the large format camera equipment fit in the front of the 300 ?

[Whirlybird]

I don't care what helicopter it was, when it was shot, who was flying it, or how genuine it is.....


I WANNA FLY LIKE THAT!!!

[Whirlygig]

was the hughes 300 even around then ??

Yes! Somebody was probably the flying the "A" model! The Hughes 300 can seat three across and is comparatively capacious; besides small cine cameras were around in the late 60s.

Cheers

Whirls

[Sudden Stop]

No way! He did not just fly through a tunnel :eek:

:ok: Good to watch though...

[407 too]

well i stand red-faced with regaurds to my last post, a quick search revealed it was in fact around in the late 50's :ugh:

thanks Whirlygig

[levo]

I thinks the music makes it worth watching can eneyone translate the words . so sooooothing:)

[clearfinalsno1]

Ok, here's a challenge for you PPruNer Rotorheads. Camp Freddie has posted details of the film (post 15).

I wonder if someone can track down a copy of the film and find out who the real pilot was (maybe listed in the closing credits). Is he/she still alive and what have they done since? Maybe they will do an interview for PPrune?

[rotornut]

Judging by the amount of traffic and people, I'll bet they made it on a Sunday morning. It reminds me of Blue Thunder and the chase scenes shot in downtown LA between the buildings.

[Heli-Ice]

AAAAHHHHH! the music is really............ !"&"*#%"%#""& and it must have been a factor making the pilot go nuts. Fun flying it seems and the tunnel stunt looks fun.

Back then people had another view on things so lets not criticise to much.

Here's a little info about the H269 family for 407 too and others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_300

The H269 salutes its 50th birthday this year, I can't remember which date excactly but it really doesn' matter anyway. I have one of those machines and it is great!

My helicopter: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1083269/M/

[WSPS]

Can anyone track down the music file :E ?

[SFIM]

WSPS,

a cursory google brought up the album at

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1372820/a/Em+Ritmo+De+Aventura.htm

but I am guessing you wanted it for free :)

SFIM

[WSPS]

Cheers mate,
just occasionally I do buy music as well ;)

[clearfinalsno1]

Just go to itunes.com and search for "Roberto Carlos" - you can find and hear short free samples of many of his songs.

It's amazing the ways that you can discover new music - a helicopter video!

[tbtstt]

Does anyone know of a downloadable version of the video. My computer doesn't seem to want to show me the streaming version! :sad:

[Bravo73]

tbtstt,

Try this link:

http://chi-v84.chi.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=fjYUMXcHIZ4

It should work (although you'll need a 'flash movie player' and you might have to play around with the file type to get it to play!).


HTH,

B73

[tbtstt]

Cheers for the link B73, alas I still can’t get the video to work. I suspect as it’s a You Tube link you need You Tube’s own media player to watch the video, so I’ll have to track that down and give it a spin!

[Bravo73]

tbtstt,

I've just tried it myself again and it does require a bit of fiddling to get it to work.

When the file downloads, change the file extension to '.flv'. Then download this free FLV player (download.com link (http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html)), play the file and then Robert should be your Auntie's live-in lover! :ok:


B73

[Art E. Fischler-Reisen]

A bit of fun, certainly. However having once, many years ago, found myself flying under big wires (actually, being flown) in freezing fog, over water then spotting another set beneath us, it tends to bring back the bad dreams........ :eek:

[lowlevelhell]

that machines a b model 300 not a c model as it has got a shark fin type vert stab not a larger stab like the c models have , :ok: so yes they have been around for awhile . . . not a bad video!!!!!

[Sewing Machine Man]

Yes! Somebody was probably the flying the "A" model! The Hughes 300 can seat three across and is comparatively capacious; besides small cine cameras were around in the late 60s.
Cheers
Whirls
Excuse me while I peg my anorak up, did you know the TH55 first flew in October 1956.
But this is typically the sort film that first got me fired up about helicopters as a little lad in the mid 60’s
Merry Christmas everyone,
Its been a pleasure reading your posts,
Mike :ok: ;)

[Senior Pilot]

Now we've moved into the 21st Century, here is the YouTube version :cool:

YouTube - Roberto Carlos sobrevoa o Rio de helicóptero em ritmo de aventura

[chopperchappie]

OK - so there's all the talk of who was it, when was it done all interesting stuff etc. BUT I have two very basic questions, one relating to the original rule 5 question, one my own.

1) Given the nature of the swimwear worn on the beaches in/around Rio, and the quality of the erm... Ladies/Guys (and others not covered by the former categories) - Who is going to notice a helicopter flying low and be bothered for long enough to report it?

2) It's always bothered me to know if it really can be done to fly through a tunnel given the airflow. Obviously Mission Impossible through the Channel Tunnel was pure CGI, Itallian Job MD leaning at 45' in a hanger and not zooming forward - NAH! But given a sensibly big enough (but not dwarfing the helicopter) tunnel and a skilled pilot, flying fast enough so that it's nearly all coming from in front?? That clip did look quite real - for early camera trickery, but the RHS skid seems to be brushing the floor.
I am genuinely interested to know if it would be feasible to fly through a tunnel. Anyone actually done it/seen it done - as opposed to a mate of a mate....

DennisK ?

CC

[IMCAuto]

It looks as though tunnel flying is all the rage in Brazil. :eek:

YouTube - Helicoptero em tunel

IMC

[IMCAuto]

Annnnnnd to answer clearfinalsno1's and CC's "who is the real mystery pilot" question, I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RizYIS6H3Q0

I haven't got a clue what's going on, my Brazilian Portuguese isn't what it used to be I'm afraid.

Now, back to my hole,
IMC

[elro]

http://listenrecovery.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/img_2548.jpg
The star of the film is a popular Brazillian singer Roberto Carlos (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRoberto_Carlos) the movie features many of the songs that he released in the album pictured above.


There is a comment posted below this video (http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Caribougnal/1694/) claiming who the pilot of the H300 is...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_mwXpn-qI4yk/TZJHOQ0S-6I/AAAAAAAADbI/2QQcG7p4tcM/s800/heli1.png

[jackx123]

when you could fly through tunnels and between buildings at 20ft agl without giving a rats about rules and regs.

YouTube - ‪Low level helicopter trip in Rio de Janeiro, 1967‬‏

[Woolf]

...is it just me or does he look slightly hyperactive??? Must admit though I'd probably have the same crazy smile on my face!!!

[Savoia]

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If I remember rightly Senior Pilot posted this vid a while back on a thread where (I think) the pilot's son also chipped-in with a comment.

[hands_on123]

discussed before

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/255959-imagine-life-without-rule-5-low-flying-video.html

[Arm out the window]

Wires would screw your day, sooner or later!

[SASless]

Rule Five has zip to do with flying low safely!

Low flying is safe done correctly, done cold bloodedly, and done with respect to aircraft performance both in Normal and Emergency conditions.

If one always without fail or variation does a low recon of the route to be flown....confirming immediately before the run there are no "new" or "old" obstacles....verifies aircraft performance....that prevents running into something by surprise. Likewise, it also provides you the opportunity to ensure you do not endanger or merely scare anyone on the ground.

Rule Five is just the CAA's way of acting as a Nanny for the stupid and careless. That and putting yet another burden to anyone that expects flying to be fun.

Below tree top level is where real helicopter flying starts.....and at some point ends!:E