Ap3456?

[sarboy w****r]

Hi,

I'm looking for a CD copy of AP3456. I'm off on det v shortly, and sadly have some studying to do while away somewhere sandy. Does anyone know where I can get a copy on CD please? (I've tried CFS via the intranet, with no joy).

Thanks,

SBW

[Smudger552]

Try the RAF Pubs Library....it is there.

http://www.publications.raf.r.mil.uk/live/default.htm

Smudge

[sarboy w****r]

Sorry, I didn't explain things as clearly as I should have done. Unfortunately I haven't access to the intranet when away, and although it is at the address you listed, I'd have to download each and every section of all of the volumes in order to get it.

I'm looking ideally for a copy on CD if possible - anyone please able to assist?

[Wholigan]

I know they have them in the CFS Ground School. Can't remember the telephone number, but I'm sure you can find that and smooth talk your way into getting one.

Also try this e-mail addy:

[email protected]

[vmv2]

AP3456 Editor can be contacted on 01400 266545

[Mr Point]

Sarboy,

Check your PMs - I may be able to help :O .

Mr. P

[days2do]

Mr P :=

If your PM is offering a ripped off copy of 3456, may i suggest that you are playing a very dangerous game with your offer of help. You would not be the first, nor will you be the last, to find your generosity rewarded by a visit from the Police due copyright theft!

Sarboy

The AP3456 staff are very helpful. Since you seem to have a genuine reason for wanting a copy why not just give them a ring, explain the reason, and i'm sure they will send you a legit copy. It really is that simple.:ok:

[5 Forward 6 Back]

Sorry to regenerate an old thread, but I've just found my CD copy of AP3456. I'm struggling to get it to work on a Mac; has anyone managed this? None of the links seem to work because the capitalisation's all wrong, but it works fine on Windows. Any tips?

[Hummingfrog]

5F6B

Sell the MAC ;)

HF

[vecvechookattack]

Apply for an application form, which includes full details, prices and discounts, from:

Executive Editor AP3456
Central Flying School
Royal Air Force College, Cranwell
Sleaford
Lincolnshire
NG34 8HB

Tel: 01400 266895
Fax: 01400 266641

[5 Forward 6 Back]

I don't need a copy, I've got the CD one I was given by CFS. I doubt if the editor's likely to give technical support, and I'm certain I can't afford a paper copy!

[Bo Nalls]

Stn Pubs also have them. Picked up the 2010 edition this week. :ok:

[Ali Barber]

So what keeps changing with each year/AL? Does not "pull stick back, go up" work any more?

Note the attitude, follow me through, what about a FOEL check?

[KNIEVEL77]

I was just wondering if anyone had a set of these manuals for sale by any chance?

[sangiovese.]

Knievel, yes............but they're the 1965 version if you're interested!

[Dengue_Dude]

Interesting that as they're still on the shelf in manual format at BAE Brough.

I still go to them from time to time when researching 'stuff'.

Excellent publications.

[KNIEVEL77]

Thanks but I might try and find a more recent set if I can.

[High_Expect]

Anyone know if there planning to do any work on it any time soon? It's woefully out of date last time I looked on the intranet. Very little if anything on GPWS, TCAS, Laser Ring gyros, Syncros, Solid state gyros or anything glass cockpit related.... Time to wake up and smell the coffee CFS we're all moving on without you.

Hopefully this is all in there now and I just need an updated version?!?

[KNIEVEL77]

The Transair website are suggesting that an updated version is on it's way!

[KNIEVEL77]

Critical Al, PM sent.

[camber]

Hello sangiovese,

Just researching how to locate and buy a copy of the RAF AP 3456A. I know it was some years ago now, but if you by chance still have any of these volumes, I would be very interested in buying them.

Kind regards,

Camber

[Jambo Jet]

I suspect that the AP is based on the publically available book "The Mechanics of Flight" by A.C.Kermode. Many of the diagrams and explanations in that book are those in AP3456, or should that be many of the diagrams in AP3456 are in Kermode.

ISBN 978-0-273-77351-1

[The B Word]

A C Kermode's book is available to view online here:

http://soaneemrana.org/onewebmedia/MECHANICS%20OF%20FLIGHT%20BY%20A.C%20KERMODE.pdf

Whilst we're at it Alfred Coterill Kermode started off as a pilot in WWI in the RNAS before transferring to the RAF. He was one of the founding minds at the world-beating No 1 School of Technical Training at RAF Halton, where one of the main buildings is named after him, he was also one of the founding members of the Halton Aero Club that is still going strong after 92 years. After serving in WII as well he finished his service at the rank of AVM. His biggest legacy being this book and RAF Halton.

[olympus]

His biggest legacy being this book and RAF Halton.

...and Flight Without Formulae (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flight-without-Formulae-C-Kermode/dp/0273403605/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489237038&sr=1-2&keywords=flight+without+formulae) was also an important part of his legacy.

[NutLoose]

The FAA have some very good books in PDFs format on line if anyone is interested, see

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/phak/media/pilot_handbook.pdf

And

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/

[Dan Winterland]

Best book for aerodynamics is 'Aircraft Flight' by Barnard and Philpott. Concise, clear and excellent for someone doing their A2 - which is why I bought it. I also bought a copy for my son when he started his Aerospace Engineering course.

[Professor Plum]

Best book for aerodynamics is 'Aircraft Flight' by Barnard and Philpott. Concise, clear and excellent for someone doing their A2 - which is why I bought it. I also bought a copy for my son when he started his Aerospace Engineering course.

Thanks dan!

I'm going for my A2 in the not to distant future so that'll help. Don't suppose you (or anyone else) knows of any other books which would be a good read for A2 work up?

Camber, if you call the number for the ap3456 editor which was posted earlier in the thread, I'm sure the editor will help. I've always found them very helpful. If the number doesn't work, I can dig out the correct one when I'm back in work. Also, I seem to recall transair used to sell ap3456. Not sure if that's the case now.

[Dan Winterland]

Don't suppose you (or anyone else) knows of any other books which would be a good read for A2 work up?

Yes, my own A2 notes! :-) I did my A2 a while ago, but I suspect the laws of aerodynamics - and the A2 syllabus haven't changed since then!

PM me with a real e-mail address.

[BEagle]

I refused to consider the A2 until a proper syllabus had been written - before then it was often a case of "I know more questions than you know answers", particularly from the old guard at BSS Topcliffe.

So when an A2 syllabus did appear, I got on with it. My pencil handwritten notes also included a few extra bits of theory (such as why minimum drag speed is theoretically equal to 1.32 minimum power speed - something CFS groundschool couldn't prove) and I decided that there was no way I was going to do that much work more than once. So despite some of the 'instruction' at BSS, I went down to sunny Scampton and found the actual A2 test a breeze.

So many people later copied my pencilled notes that the photocopier feed roller became covered in graphite and had to be cleaned professionally!

The original CFS books were quite useful - although there was an important bit missing from Machmeter theory (really useful for the Bulldog!), relating static pressure and density. At BSS, one of the QFIs was working up for his A1 and was baffled by this - perhaps because I provided the explanation he gave me an easy ride through the groundschool element of the A2 work up?

Good luck with your A2, Professor Plum; top tip - remember "HOW" when briefing your pretend Bloggs, not "WHAT"!

And don't spend the A2 pay rise too quickly....;)

[Professor Plum]

Beagle,

Thanks! Looking forward to the A2 pay rise ...... my extra captains pay just isn't enough anymore! :ok:

[BEagle]

Neither was my Training Captain nor IRE's pay!

;)

[sharpend]

I still don't know what was wrong with AP129. :)

[Ken Scott]

Bernard & Philpott were both lecturers on my aero eng degree course, the latter was my project supervisor - my unappreciative student mind certainly didn't acknowledge their expertise as authors of a standard work on aerodynamics!

[camber]

Hello,
I know time has long past since your 2002 post re the AP3456 series, 1965 editions. If by some remote chance you still have them and are still like to sell, then I'm very interested. I'm an ex RAAF pilot/instructor, and this would be a great addition to my library.