Ridiculous admin - and yet I'm still surprised !!

[threepointonefour]

After 19 yrs the naive little boy in me is still surprised at ridiculous service paperwork :oh: ;


A very simple resettlement course 3 days requires minimum of 5 forms and >12 signatures to get the princely sum of £534 + accom ...

1. Request to do resettlement cse - 7 sigs
2. Request for accom - 2 sigs
3. Authority to attend cse (needs sig from cse provider) - 3 sigs
4. Confirmation of cse attended (at end of cse, to prove attendance!) - 2 sigs
5. Reclaim of resettlement grant - NO, they don't pay direct :ugh:


... and if you don't feel like paying the cash yourself, you can apply for an advance. Obviously not the WHOLE £534 := , it's the usual max 80% now and claim the rest later! On a sixth bl00dy form!

AND let's not forget the JPA claim for travel to and from the accom on return ...


Last rant :ugh: - apparently, THIS is the NEW freakin system - the last one was rubbish ??!!!

What a load of BS !?! Thankfully, not for much longer! :ok:


ps. Have fun with the next round of defence cuts .... :ouch:

[threepointonefour]

The above rant ranks a little below last year's offer of PA - which came with a demand to sign before PMA would tell me my next posting ...

ie, sign on for 17 yrs, but we won't tell you whether it'll be Lossie or Lincs for another 6 mths (because that's when your TRD is ...), after which, if the decision of next posting is not to your liking, you'll have to PVR.

[movadinkampa747]

Well it is a good job you are leaving then if you hate it that much.:ugh:

[threepointonefour]

It's not just me ...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=251872

[movadinkampa747]

I thought this might be of interest to you. Application Form. (http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/resources/img/sections/careers/crew_application_form.pdf)

[threepointonefour]

Already qualified (5 *) courtesy of pre - service employment at McDs; they actually paid better initially, and you could make you own lunch - a triple Mac with extra tartare sauce was the chosen delicacy!

... I trust you're still in and happy about the STATE the service is in, Mr 747 ??

[charliegolf]

£534 + accom for 12+ signatures= FREE in my book.

Bet you got the sigs in work time too!

CG

[MrsMiggins]

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[movadinkampa747]

... I trust you're still in and happy about the STATE the service is in, Mr 747 ??

More than happy with my little bit of it. Thankyou for asking.

[threepointonefour]

More than happy with my little bit of it. Thankyou for asking.

Wow. I really am envious as I'd like to be like that too.

I'd keep that job quiet if I were you, as it will become the service equivalent of the airliner black box - everyone else will want to get in it as the plane goes down ..!

[vecvechookattack]

We had a brief from the nice WO from Fleet last week and he gave us the state of play for the AF's. T'would appear that life in the Army is pretty good. PVR Rates are normal and recruiting is on line. Life in the RN is also pretty good. Many new concepts coming into service, PAYD etc...PVR rates in the RN are normal and recruitment is a challenge but generally ok.


However, Life in the RAF is pretty bad. PVR rates in free fall and recruiting almost non existant.

Now, Why is that ? Why have the Army and the RN got it right but the crabs haven't ?

[RobinXe]

They haven't got PAYD and JPA yet?

[Roland Pulfrew]

We had a brief from the nice WO from Fleet last week and he gave us the state of play for the AF's. T'would appear that life in the Army is pretty good. PVR Rates are normal and recruiting is on line.

Because VVHA you have, yet again, fallen for the spin from the centre. If army recruiting is on line why have the government just been slated by, IIRC, the NAO for having an army that is currently 6000 personnel under strength! Not sure who your WO was but I suggest he is making it up. The army are suffering a massive recruiting shortfall due to the effects of Afghanistan and Iraq. PVR rates are up (personnel returning from op tours and viewing the future as a short period at home followed immediately after by another op tour).

So I would suggest that it is the RN who may have something over the RAF and army. Something to do with overstretch perchance???

[Widger]

Vec Vec, once again your naive view of the RN staggers me! You are full of it...... The RN is not better off. If it were, we would not be even considering closing one of our three important naval bases to try and stop the rot and save a few million quid. Escorts being chopped, orders being pared, death by a thousand manpower cuts...it does not look very rosy from where I am sitting. Anyone would think we were not fighting two major conflicts half way round the world!

[R 21]

Vec Vec

its probably so great in the Navy because they have never had it so easy. That great Taliban Navy must be hiding in fear of you guys. !!!

:}

Incoming !!

[teeteringhead]

And do the Army figures include the 1000+ pongoes currently AWOL?? That's a battalion +

And what of the 600 + thrown out of the Army every year for failing CDT??? Another battalion +

[airborne_artist]

Teeters, if all those testing +ve on CDT in the Army in 2005 were dismissed, it's not 600, but 980 (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=753452006)

[Biggus]

I was about to ask why a 'WO from Fleet' knows that the RAF PVR rates are in 'free fall' when the RAF hierachy doesn't seem to, but then I thought about it again.............



Perhaps vecvecvecawhatsit and movad747awhatsit should get together and form a mutual 'happy with our lot club'?

[teeteringhead]

Teeters, if all those testing +ve on CDT in the Army in 2005 were dismissed, it's not 600, but 980 ... strewth a_a, my figures were (IIRC) from 2003, so that's a big increase since then .... I think the AWOL is '05, so between them that's 40% of the acknowledged shortfall!

[Twonston Pickle]

The recruiting figures are actually quite good and we are on target to recruit what we have been set (for the 2 consecutive year). The problem may be that the targets are not actually what we need and should maybe have started recruiting more personnel already, despite the promise to "ramp-up" recruiting next year.

[Elmlea]

More than happy with my little bit of it. Thankyou for asking.

As an aside, you may be happy with your lot (to be honest, so am I right now; although a little worried about the future!), but do you agree with 3.14's sentiments?

Do you think it's reasonable or efficient that a simple claim for a recognised course requires upwards of 12 signatures on 5 separate forms? Don't you think we should be able to streamline some things a little bit?

As for my own personal JPA/admin related moan; in order to get an advance now, you fill out the claim, receive the advance, wait until after the det, then fill out another claim for what you actually used. The full advance is reclaimed, and then you're paid another amount to cover your actual expenditure. Unsurprisingly, they claimed back my advance sufficiently well, but do you think I've received the second claim? Have I heck. Do you think it's reasonable that we should go away and wind up out of pocket purely because of an inefficient system?

I'm not disputing that some people can be happy, and I'm glad you are; but don't you think all these people moaning perhaps have a right to be slightly hacked off?

[RobinXe]

The recruiting figures are actually quite good and we are on target to recruit what we have been set (for the 2 consecutive year). The problem may be that the targets are not actually what we need and should maybe have started recruiting more personnel already, despite the promise to "ramp-up" recruiting next year.

It's dead easy to achieve targets set at the level being achieved :P