Mubai Airport

[Dan Air 87]

Can anyone tell me why aircraft seem to land so fast and hard at Mumbai? I landed with both Spice Jet and Air Deccan two weeks ago and the landings were hard but also had a hell of a lot of braking. I felt that both the B737 and A320 made the landing at above say 160 knots. Can anyone help me out please?

[SuperRanger]

Perhaps it's because the G/S is at 3.30°?

[willfly380]

main runway is closed almost through the day , so rwy 14 is used. the winds are 320/9 reported , turn out to be more than that . big down slope around the touchdown area hence slam her down and stnd on them brakes seems to work the best. visibilty is not good enought to use the other side which requires 5km minimum.so it must feel faster sitting behind due to tailwinds .

[Dan Air 87]

Thanks Willfly. When landing we did seem to pile on the speed and then really slam on the brakes. I take the point about the runway's use which is used for landings and take off's. The condition of the runway too makes one bounce a bit when you finally hit the deck! Still, once the domestic terminal at Mumbai has been completed, it will be a great airport. All that they have to do then is to rebuild the international terminal.

Finally for anyone going through BOM, please remember to exchange your Indian currency before you go airside.

[Al Fakhem]

Please, gentlemen, this is an English language forum.

Just as we do not say München but "Munich", we do not say Roma but "Rome" and we do not say Praha but "Prague", let's stick to Bombay.:ok:

There is, by the way, also no "Mulliwood" but a "Bollywood".

[sec 3]

We say Mumbai because that's the name of the city. If you want to keep calling it Bombay, go right ahead. Who cares!!:confused:

[divinesoul]

hey Dan

No offence to you but me just being curious here.how can you judge the speed of an a/c that too a big one like the buses and boeings while travelling as a passenger.I think the inflight entertainment system shuts off just before landing unless they have the channel showing cameras outside the a/c(EK has this facility and its really awesome to see the pilot align against the centerline and land.truly amazing) .

Cheers.

[ASIAN FROG]

Al Fakhem
English in Asia is the International vector to communicate between Communauties with different languages, grammar and writing.
As International vector, flexibility is the rule... It is the price to pay to be the Imperialist International vector. We do not care about this language, we just want to communicate between us.
And the aim is reached as you understand us, non native english speaking, and you are able to correct our mistakes.
Thank you for that (if it is your hobby why not)!!!
French regards

[kwaiyai]

Just wondered how you can judge the speed above "say 160 knots myself" as PAX. is this Xceeding VAT Max? on an A320.
Regrds:8

[Desert Diner]

Take it on trust.

A pax knows the difference between landing fast and not,

[ASIAN FROG]

First Which speed?
We fly an aircraft relatively to the Air in IAS (Indicated Airspeed) but this IAS has to be corrected to become a TAS and TAS is greater than IAS, then we have to add the wind.
So if we are in circumstances with a low air density and some downwind our ground speed is high compared to the IAS, but the pilot has to fly IAS.
Secondly: Human Performances
Everybody knows the superficiality of human feelings and we spend hours studying "Human Performances and Limitations" in our training, personnally when I am a PAX I am distrustful about what I feel when in the Cabin, because I cannot read the instruments which are the only believable source.

Make the experience in your car, try to estimate the speed without looking your speedometer, have you never overspeed a little without any will to do it? Personnally, I surprise myself last week as I was quietly driving in NE Thailand and trapped by a Police Radar (Yes police has a radar in Nakhon Phanom!!!), and I was really of good will, I was underestimating my speed by just looking outside. The inverse maybe true, it depends on my fatigue state.
Cheers
PS
It is a new Car (I do not want to be censored so I cannot give the model) with all the instruments centered on the Car axis (Between Driver and Passenger), and not as usually in front of the wheel.
Initially it sounds good as the wheel is not masking the instruments, but I found at several occasions that, with this lay out, we look less the instruments as they are not in front of you. You are obliged to look aside as it is not in your straight visual field.
It is not a natural lay out, and I noticed few times that I was mistaking on the situation,because relying more on feelings than instruments.

[divinesoul]

Hey Asian frog

nice post.Well i am not a pilot yet so i am speaking in layman terms.May be one day after i finish my training i could give more specific reply like the one u gave.

Cheers.

[Dan Air 87]

Thanks Asian Frog for the really good response to my query which explains a great deal. Great post which I really appreciate. On the whole I enjoyed flying with Indian domestic airlines and took Jet, Sahara, Deccan and Spice in B737's and A320's. I also liked the new Indian Airlines livery too!

[jumpdrive]

Dan.......................
i think they just F $%@# up both ldg's you where in, thats it, dont try finding a formula of what happened,l some ones are good some ones bad
btw most brakes ar carbon, they work only hot, and by giving progressive input
if you slam on them within fractions.................they will kick your A@%$#@
c ya

[kwaiyai]

I think you'll find Mumbai a bit like Bangalore too and many others like Macau in China, I never did get a great one in At Macau there as RHS either. No chance as LHS now sadly to redeem it.
Nice reply Jumpdrive Regards:D

[Dan Air 87]

Jump drive. Good post and I guess I picked the wrong days to fly! I know that we have had bad landings but if we were able to walk away from it then it wasn't that bad!

[expatula]

Why don't you come on my flight? I will always make the smoothest and sweetest landings no matter what. Everyone who's in my flight is always in for the best ride. Landing is all about ryhthm, cool hands, and a relax mind. ;)

[jumpdrive]

uuuuuuhh
we have a topgun here

[willfly380]

ok which flight simulator are you talking about....

[Dan Air 87]

Thanks for the offer of a smooth flight...but from what I have seen at BOM bouncing two or three times on landing is almost seems obligatory!
Maybe its a way of telling the hosties that we were landing..some say its also a chance to confirm that the green lights are correct!


Landings elsewhere in India were fun too; Delhi with Spice Jet was interesting (bounced twice), Bangalore (Jet Airways) was fine, Cochin was good whilst Goa was amazing. Braked and there were the Indian navy Sea Harriers and a couple of the still airworthy Il 76's.

[kwaiyai]

Wonderful things those Autoland sytems,,

[Arrowhead]

Macau suffers from 20kt crossing tailwind in summer - hence a heavy 321 can approach/land with a groundspeed of about 160kt. But runway is soooooo long you can float without penalty

[expatula]

But runway is soooooo long you can float without penalty

Oh yeah, how about touching down almost at the end of the runway after floating sooooo loooooong? My advise, never let yourself float so long as you want if you dont wanna end up in a tight situation. :ugh:Best of all, know your limitations for a tailwind landing.

[Arrowhead]

:mad: Of course I am not advising running off the end of the runway you idiot.

I'm just saying that if you are not used to 800fpm+ on late finals then you dont need to worry about rushing the flare and risking a hard landing - first allowable exit at VMMC is almost 3000m from touchdown, and min A320 stopping distance is under 1000m (from normal approach speeds). ie the far end of the runway is a long long way away.

Anyway, if you floated 2000m you would tailstrike first....