Ozjet Pilot Interviews - Open Day in Perth

[Aquaplaner]

I see that Ozjet are holding an open day/ pilot interviews in Perth later this month. Are they setting up a Perth base, or are the interviews for the Brisbane operation?

[gas-chamber]

Why would they bother to have an open day in Perth if they wanted pilots for Brisbane? Derrr

[Icarus2001]

gas chamber, you mean like the various other airlines that have open days for tech and cabin crew around the world but are not planning to have a base in the city where the open day is held?

Give aquaplaner a break for goodness sake.

The word is that they indeed plan to have a Perth base down the track. However the West is now well served by turboprop and jet FIFO services so it will be interesting to see what happens. Alliance are now operating F100 FIFO to Leinster and Mt Keith.

[gas-chamber]

Icarus, point taken and apologies for the sarcasm. But, OJ is hardly the scale of Emirates and such. So if they are having an open day in Perth, betcha they want pilots for Perth.

[LJones]

Hey, When is this open day? and what is going to happen on the day?

[Meeb]

We will be conducting an open day for preliminary interviews

I have experienced 'open days' in the past, but what should one expect at this 'preliminary interview'...?

Will it be a nice relaxed chat, or tech quiz etc?? :confused:

[Minosavy Masta]

Betcha GB is off to the Red Bull event.....if so whats the bet the "Open Day" interview carnival is after the 20th..and...helps defray the cost ...;) Ahhhh good to see the stone can still kill 2 birds ;):}

[gas-chamber]

Expect a sudden death cull - sort of Survivor program

[Icarus2001]

So how did the information session/open day/interviews go?

What do they want?

What are they paying?

[giddy up]

From the WA govt media statements website:

Statement Released: 21-Nov-2006
> Portfolio: Planning and Infrastructure
> Perth-Derby jet service to begin next February.
> 21/11/06
> A jet service linking Perth and Derby with three return flights each week will begin operating in February next year.
> Planning and Infrastructure Minister Alannah MacTiernan said the Government had granted Ozjet Airlines exclusive access to the route for two years with an option for a further 12 months.
> Ms MacTiernan said the Shire of Derby-West Kimberley and Ozjet had negotiated an arrangement with three local mining companies, to guarantee the viability of the service.
> "This service will provide a real boost to Derby and I congratulate the shire and Ozjet for working together to deliver such a pioneering solution," she said.
> "A regular passenger service for the public is an important way that regional communities can gain some benefit from fly-in fly-out mining operations.
> "While mining employees will be its mainstay, local people, other local employers and businesses will also be able to take advantage of this service."
> Shire president Elsia Archer said the shire was delighted that the State Government had approved the application for this integral service .
> "Our community looks forward to this convenient service commencing and we are sure it will offer an opportunity to attract more tourists to our beautiful region," Ms Archer said.
> The shire had also negotiated with the Department of Defence for the service to use the Curtin Airbase 30km south from Derby.
> Ozjet CEO Mr Willie O'Neill said the process had been very involved.
> "We had to negotiate with the three mines to align their working rosters, to ensure a sustainable volume of passengers was achieved to justify the service," Mr O'Neill said.
> "Our return fares will be competitively priced when compared with existing airfares."
> The service will run on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday each week on a 737-200 aircraft.
> Flights will be two hours' long and are scheduled to leave Perth at 5.30am and return at 12.30pm.
> Minister's office - 9213 6400

[bushy]

I am pleased to see that a jet service is going to Derby.
It is very interesting to note that this can be done without an RPT AOC, even though non miners can also travel. (this is as it should be.)

A number of GA companies have been put out of business by CASA for doing similar things. This is documented in the Phelan papers.

Rubbery rules?

[rammel]

I don't know too much about the rules, but I would assume Ozjet will be operating under their AOC that entitles them to go to Norfolk Island. Also I don't think they ever wound up their flying operations, just stopped being an airline in the traditional sense. So any documentation they had before could still be valid.

[Icarus2001]

Nice one bushy. Here is a link to their RPT AOC...http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/aoc/download/1-FAAL-04.pdf

All they have to do is add new ports to an existing HCAOC authorising RPT operations.

[topend3]

would this not be a rather expensive exercise to base an aircraft in perth to fly 3 days a week? or do we think they have other unannounced work in the pipeline...

[Dog One]

I would think that there other things in the wind to justify the base

[Icarus2001]

If you build it, they will come...

Once the 737 is here (Feb) you can guarantee there will be more work for it. I am sure ;) that their sales & marketing people will be working on that right now, as we type.

Remember that if you own the aircraft outright you don't have to service the loan every month. Sure you still have insurance, parking, crews etc but not paying out on a $10 million lease makes a huge difference to how many hours you need the airframe to do a year to cover costs and then make money.

After the money that Stoddard lost with the RPT before he would probably be rapt if this venture just made a modest profit.

[neville_nobody]

I think the Northwest Shelf would be an area they would be keen to look at with a 737 size aircraft. I am suprised that other companies haven't started looking at bigger aircraft as of yet because the current offerings will be too small in the future. Skywest are on the ball trying to lease A320s. At least then if it doesn't work it won't burn them. OZjet may move in and cleanup in Perth if a couple of contracts come out next year that require 737 size aircraft, as they will be on the spot. Don't forget that Paul Stoddard IS a successful charter operater in Europe, so he may have some idea about what he is doing in this market.

[Led Zep]

Is that an Ozjet 737 parked out of the way on the international apron?

[Going Nowhere]

There's an Ozjet flight due into Sydney and Brisbane tonight from Perth.

[RENURPP]

Do you know how many pax seats the OZJET 737 have?

[Capn Bloggs]

Do you know how many pax seats the OZJET 737 have?
And how small it's engines are?

[topend3]

RENURPP in the economy config they have 110 seats, 60 in the all business layout, but I would say they would be running the PER-DRB runs with the economy layout...

[Capt Basil Brush]

The article mentions it being a 2hr flight to Curtin, and back.

I bet the old -200 cant do it in less than about 2:10 up, and 2:20 back.
Not far off 2hrs, but a bit misleading.

The refueller in CIN will be very happy!! :)

[Capn Bloggs]

in the economy config they have 110 seats

Is that all?! :}

[Offchocks]

What is GB's position in Ozjet?

[Capn Bloggs]

He's the bloke at THE top of the (pilot) pole! :}

[topend3]

Quote:
in the economy config they have 110 seats

Is that all?!

Unlike your 717's bloggsy they will be able to fill ALL 110 of them!!:E

[RENURPP]

Had absolutely nothing to do with 737-200's but I know the 300's have a hell of a worse time than even the 717's out of Alice!!
So TOPEND I bet you are WRONG once more!

[topend3]

Hey RENURRP smartarse, last time i checked Curtin was 300ft AMSL...who the f$#k mentioned Alice anyway?

[Agent86]

OK then ..QF substituted a -300 for a NG last week to Broome ..had to offload 100+ bags to get home. Can't see a -200 being any better.
(Broome 10' AMSL)

[whogivesa????]

QF haven't operated 737-300's on pax ops in OZ for about 1 year, only -400/800's in service.

[topend3]

looks like agent86 is right on the money...:ok:

[ditzyboy]

OK then ..QF substituted a -300 for a NG last week to Broome ..had to offload 100+ bags to get home. Can't see a -200 being any better.
(Broome 10' AMSL)

A -800 left bags behind last week too.

[RENURPP]

Unlike your 717's bloggsy they will be able to fill ALL 110 of them!!
I mention Alice because its normally only HOT and HIGH that creates a problem, same as it does for the 737.

Looks like every one else gets it!
..had to offload 100+ bags to get home. Can't see a -200 being any better.


A -800 left bags behind last week too.

[Capn Bloggs]

TE3,
Unlike your 717's bloggsy they will be able to fill ALL 110 of them!!
You will find that anything the 732 can do the 717 will do far better... := :ok:

[A1BUGSMASHER]

As far as taking a full load out of Curtin goes I think OzJet have a better chance with their 732 than QF link 717 or XR F100's out of Broome in the wet.

I think the reason OzJet decided to fly to Curtin and NOT Derby was for the simple fact that the runway is 3000m+!! Shouldn't be any leaving of the bags happening. :}

I was on the QF 737-800 a week or two back when it left 30 odd bags behind, not nice when your traveling down to the RED Bull Air Race!! :rolleyes:

[RENURPP]

Don't get me wrong guys, I am not denegrating OZ Jet, good luck to all of them.
Just responding to missinformed rubbish.

Bloggs, is the 717 limited out of Broome at all?

[Capn Bloggs]

Burp,

is the 717 limited out of Broome at all?
It is (as all jets are at some point), but I reckon the 732 would be more so for the same number of pax.

A1 Bugsmasher,
It is illogical to compare different aircraft at different airfields. What are you trying to show? The service that Ozjet is operating from CIN is a combo mining company and RPT protected route. There's no point in comparing that with 717s and Fukker 100s at BME because the pax Ozjet are carrying don't go from BME. And you're right, a 732 from DBY could carry enough gas to get to perhaps PHE.

PER-CIN-PER would have been a good contract for QF Link. But they never were killers in the regional stakes after they disbanded the REAL Airlink... Well done Ozjet for creating the work.

[gas-chamber]

According to my old books, a 732 will lift about 21 tons of fuel and pax off 3000 metres on a 40 degree day. Someone else can work out how much of that would be fuel to get to Perth

[B772]

According to my old books, a 732 will lift about 21 tons of fuel and pax off 3000 metres on a 40 degree day. Someone else can work out how much of that would be fuel to get to Perth

Gas Chamber, I flew the B732 (a great a/c at the time) in AN with the following specs.

Max take-off weight 53,070 Kgs.
Fleet empty operating weight was an average of approx. 29,750 kgs
Useable Fuel 15,400 Kgs.
Endurance with full tanks was 6 hours.
If we needed ''full tanks" for say MEL-DRW the passenger limit was 88 adults and no freight. (Load = 23,320 kgs)

I have had a quick look at Curtin-PER and allowing for a long taxy at Curtin and Perth and nil wind enroute at .M72 the block time would be 3 hours. I estimate the fuel burn at 8,250 kgs with a minimum reserve of 2,750 kgs.

Based on your 21,000 kgs load this would leave 10,000 kgs for the passengers and baggage.

I understand the OZJet a/c have a higher T/O weight than the AN a/c did but this would not help at Curtin as I believe the power plants are common.

[illusion]

Has anyone heard from them yet? Yay's or Nay's? What are the conditions?

:confused:

[Icarus2001]

The last I heard was a start in the first week of January. $82K when checked to line and a three year bank guarantee for the training. Captains were $120K.

[topend3]

good if you like golf :)

PH-CIN-PH 3 times a week...:ok:

[fornique8]

Has anyone heard from them yet? Yay's or Nay's? What are the conditions?
:confused:
Yep!! Apparently a skipper from Jitconnect and a F/O from EVA have taken slots to start in Jan. Think they might be a couple of WA boys ex AN wanting to get home.

[Brindabella]

Has anyone heard from them yet? Yay's or Nay's?


Yes...

No...

Brin :sad: