Antonov 225

[steve platt]

Antonov 225 ur82060 has just touched down in manchester. It will be here until tuesday when it will then depart to lagos at around lunchtime. :D

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Thanks for that Steve, muchly appreciated. That's the one we saw at East Midlands a while back but I'll be keeping my eyes upwards on Monday afternoon in the hope that it routes down this way (Berkshire).

[stu2ii2]

Steve, you say lunchtime, can you not be more exact as ive only got a limited time to spare on Tuesday?

Stu

[Newforest]

Reported to be 0600Z.

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Steve, you say lunchtime, can you not be more exact as ive only got a limited time to spare on Tuesday?

Stu


As with any cargo charter, there are many factors which will determine ETD...

Cargo availability, loading time, docs, overflights, weather etc etc.


Anyone know what it's carrying from MAN? (Veeps?!)

Presuming it's oil equipment to Nigeria????

The An225 charter from EMA last year wasn't any more than a 124 load, so this might be the first "proper" commercial 225 load out of the UK? N'est pas?

[steve platt]

Departing sometime between 11am and 12 noon local time. It cant take off any earlier because of the airport being to busy. Its taking stage equipment to Lagos for some kind of event. All this info taken from aircraft captain and local operations.

[stu2ii2]

Is that 11am - 12 tommorrow Steve?

[steve platt]

departing BETWEEN 11am AND 12noon on TUESDAY!!

[Phileas Fogg]

Thanks for that Steve, muchly appreciated. That's the one we saw at East Midlands a while back but I'll be keeping my eyes upwards on Monday afternoon in the hope that it routes down this way (Berkshire).

With only one AN225 in existence it would be a reasonable assumption that it would be the same airframe, the second AN225 remains in pieces at the factory.

[DILLIGAFF]

With any luck it will route via Southampton so I will be looking out for it passing just west of LHR.Any idea of the radio frequencies it is likely to use so I can listen for it while I paint the lounge?.

[stu2ii2]

Heard that it might be leaving at 7am Tueday, can anyone confirm this?

[almost professional]

Three AN124's parked side by side at NEMA this morning-very impressive!

[cargohappy]

I went home via donington to take a closer look but could only see two
124's did 1 leave about 05:00L I heard an aircraft from the office, but did not
bother to look and see what it was, sounded large though, pics anyone of the
trio ?

rgds cargohappy

[almost professional]

was taxying for departure at 1350L as I left work, bound for Toulouse

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Departing sometime between 11am and 12 noon local time. It cant take off any earlier because of the airport being to busy. Its taking stage equipment to Lagos for some kind of event. All this info taken from aircraft captain and local operations.


Saw some of the load today on the back of some big trucks at the Cargo Centre.

No wonder they needed the An-225.

Reckon it'll be a shallower climbout than a PIA 742 on a warm day!

[Mr Angry from Purley]

When it came to EMA recently it spent around 7 mins on the runway prior to take off running its engines at fullish power. I hope ATC take that into account! :\

[Rapid]

http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/UR-82060_MH_011006.jpg

[almost professional]

standard technique for both 124/225-and yes has been known to cause the odd problem!

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

standard technique for both 124/225-and yes has been known to cause the odd problem!


Do they take passengers accompanying the cargo on their flights?

i.e. - Would the roadies for the stage stuff going to Lagos lfy on board or travel separately?

I know the 225 has got a big living area above, but it has a lot of crew on-board.

[Fried_Chicken]

It's currently planned out at 1100L (although likely to change!) & should be on a HON (Honiley) SID

FC

[rustyflyer]

I used to work for the BBC. Some years ago, I think for the Hong Kong handover, BBC Outside Broadcasts sent a large OB truck to televise the event. It was flown out in a 124 accompanied by some of the rigger/drivers who normally drive the thing up & down the motorway here. These trucks cost millions so the guys were very protective but the loadmasters on the plane wouldn't let them drive it on, one of the aircraft crew did that as they were even more protective of the big bird!! I seem to remember hearing tales of the floor being titanium?? Anyhow they all settled in to a cabin upstairs with no windows. The plane started to rumble & carried on rumbling for about twelve hours until they were deposited in HK!!! The guys said they didn't even know if they were on the ground or in the air.........
Russ

[AeroMANC]

Departure is scheduled for 12:00hrs local. I'm told the aircraft will depart from runway 24L, even if the flight is delayed (24L normally closes at 12:00).

[steve platt]

Have just been out and taken the crew off the antonov had a look around its just as big inside! The cockpit is out of the ark all knobs and dials. The crew said they are hoping for a 22 00 departure on tues 3rd with a bit of luck! I can see there being a few disgruntled residents in knutsford! They will be bringing the plane back into man in about 4 or 5 days. If i find out anymore will let you know.

[scudpilot]

Is this likely to overfly Reading? (Riseley)
If so, any idea of time?

[ALLDAYDELI]

140T of concert equipment to Lagos. Booked by a Sussex based charter broker.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

scudpilot It'll be fairly high when it overflies us (I'm in Finchampstead) but I'm not certain of the route it'll follow - via WOD, or somewhere east of there??

[Squadgy]

Anyone confirm a departure time from Manchester, or has it gone already? Cheers

[paul691]

its still in manchester being loaded, just seen it, it still had its nose up. apparently they had difficulty loading its cargo. ive been told that if it does not go tonight at 22:00hrs it will be going in the morning (wednesday).

[AeroMANC]

ADB could not meet the 12:00 departure slot today and revised the departure time to 22:00. However, this has now been put back to 11:00 (local) on Wednesday at the request of the Airport Authority, word has it they are not prepared to handle an 'oversized' aircraft during the hours of darkness on grounds of safety, noise impact, etc, etc.

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

ADB could not meet the 12:00 departure slot today and revised the departure time to 22:00. However, this has now been put back to 11:00 (local) on Wednesday at the request of the Airport Authority, word has it they are not prepared to handle an 'oversized' aircraft during the hours of darkness on grounds of safety, noise impact, etc, etc.


They better get a wriggle on if Snoop and Beyonce are to have somewhere to perform!

I hear the cargo is to be brought back in a few days, but I guess we'll have to wait to find an approx day and time for arrival.

[cleared for take off]

It says on the Ringway Reports website http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/UR-82060.htm that ramp services for the aircraft were performed by Manchester Handling. Not a bad scoop for the smallest handling agent on the airport, but was not aware they had a ramp section, or are they the same as SAS and sub services out. Whatever the reason, well done Manchester Handling a massive feather in your cap there guys.

[Rudder Pedals]

-- Nevermind --

[Slow Progress]

Flight plan for ADB1264 now showing ETD1530 utc

EGCC DCT HON UN615 XAMAB UL612 MILPA UM730 TOP UL50 ELB UL12 TINTO UL12 GIANO UM727 LPD UM740 SARKI A13 MTG DCT HLLT

Rgds

Slow Progress

[cleared for take off]

Its carrying equipment for the first ever THISDAY music festival to be held on the 7th & 8th October, so it better get a move on otherwise it will miss the show!!!!!!

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Updates on when it finally goes would be much appreciated - got my eyes to the skies south of WOD.

[BRISTOLRE]

HD - there was a departure time (not actual) showing for 1545z routing Cowly CPT MID ...

[MyData]

I saw this beast on Sunday, around 1400 local IIRC. Out walking in the peak district near home (Holmfirth) on the approach for runways 24, about 22nm distant.

We get all types overflying but this thing did bring all the walkers to a stand still as it turned from a southerly heading onto the approach. Undercarriage already down. A very impressive sight.

[allyn]

I saw this beast on Sunday, around 1400 local IIRC. Out walking in the peak district near home (Holmfirth) on the approach for runways 24, about 22nm distant.
We get all types overflying but this thing did bring all the walkers to a stand still as it turned from a southerly heading onto the approach. Undercarriage already down. A very impressive sight.

I remember watching it take off from East Midlands last year. It looked like an office block with wings!

A380? Pah! ;)

[MyData]

A380? Pah!

Indeed, I've done quite a bit of work in Toulouse and had the chance to go on board the A380. But this 225 is just a different scale - or at least appears so.

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Indeed, I've done quite a bit of work in Toulouse and had the chance to go on board the A380. But this 225 is just a different scale - or at least appears so.


It is amazing indeed. Got the chance to go around it at EMA last year and it is mindblowingly different to any aircraft I have ever been on before.

Ugly as sin, but huge inside and with an antiquated cockpit and a "granny flat" above the cargo hold for the crew.

Hope to see it when she comes back and and leaves MAN in a few days time.

[Curious Pax]

Latest on the Manchester spotters board is that it is now due out between 1000 and 1230 local tomorrow (Thursday).

[SM82]

Have now been informed that it will now not depart until tomorrow as it has not met the departure restriction of 1615z set by MAN airport authorities

[REF]

just out of curiosity, how many of these AN-225's are flying, how many still exist and how many were built?

Thanks

Rick

[paul691]

ive been again this morning and this afternoon. it didnt meet the deadline for going today as they was still loading it.

is it transporting a stage for a concert? or just equipment? at this rate there wont be a cancert!

anyone got a deffinate time for it going?

[VP8]

just out of curiosity, how many of these AN-225's are flying, how many still exist and how many were built?
Thanks
Rick


There's only the one flying at the moment with a second partially built stored in Kiev...

Just for info here's difference between A380 and 225 :E

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/KMCLEAN/biggestAN225.jpg

VEEPS

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Makes the 380 look like a twitcher!

[cerdo]

I'm due to fly on the dream, and have been since Monday. At midday today we were given Thunderbirds are go, imagine my disappointment when at 17.00 we were told, yet again, that we had missed our window! However, bags are on plane, push back scheduled for 10.30, raise the nose, kneel the plane, load the tow-bar, lower the nose, avoid the lamp-posts, taxi somewhere, wait four minutes (according to pilot) for the screen to defrost(engines to warm at full power),take off, drink large quantities of chinese vodka(not as good as russian-unavailable due to direct flight from China instead of planned return to Kiev).
Repeat above after landing at Tripoli, arrive Lagos 0030(gods willing). Unload, build stage, gig, reload, return to somewhere in UK, no doubt on Nigerian vodka.
TBC.
Can't believe I'm getting the chance to fly on her and girlfriend is homicidally jealous!

Chocks away, cerdo

[Richard Spandit]

Very impressive. Flew into MAN on a jet2 146 today - AN225 looks like its Dad...

[charter man]

This is my charter. Pushback approved for 0900z - will take 15 mins to stow towbar. Departure set for 0930z via Tripoli to Lagos. Will keep you advised on arrival back in UK.

[sniper9652]

VP8, thanks for showing the difference between the three biggies!!
I was there today to watch her fly out @1730hrs she was still there and had her nose raised! at that time a bloke quickly packed his kit up and started to depart the scene, he had been on a different frequency than me and told us all that the controller had just told another pilot that a new slot had been issued to her for 0900hrs Thursday?
PS: don't shoot the messenger :E

[noseyparker]

My partner is supposed to fly on her tomorrow. His bags are on and they are scheduled for push back at 1030 local so expect to fly at 1100/1130/1200(after the last few days I'm not holding my breath). Forecast is rain so audio possibly better than visual. Hope someone gets to see her as I won't now because my boss is very mean. Jealous just about covers it but I'll still be gutted if he doesn't get to go!

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Excuse my ignorance, but maybe someone can assist me with some info...


I don't really understand why the AN-225's departure is being put back hours at a time due to "airport slots".

I know that the aircraft takes up several more slots than a smaller a/c and there may well be airport taxiway issues when it is rolling out to depart, btu i just don't understand the huge delays involved.

Manchester is not an overly busy airport and certainly accepts short-notice charter operations for smaller aircraft.

It was mentioned about the fire cover/emergency services and why this meant that the aircraft could not depart late at night- does MAN not have adequate fire cover for any size of aircraft at this time? Surely it has cover for the later night 747s, A330s and any diverts?

Unless of course, the delays are to do with en route tech-stopping and overflights meaning the aircraft can only operate on it's route at certain times of the day????

[charter man]

The issues were that the only route to the runway (due to wingspan) requires 9 stands to be closed and a massive exercise with closing roads etc. After pushback it takes at least 15 minutes to stow the towbar so the taxiway is blocked. It then will take a minimum of 15 minutes to taxi for departure. Once lined up, the takeoff procedure involves running all engines at high power for at least 5-6 minutes prior to brake release. We have been given approval for an 0900z.

[Rapid]

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[d938]

Hi there, has this left manchester now ?

any more news onwhen its going and what runway ?

thanks.........matt

[Jamie-Southend]

Has it departed yet? :eek:

[Irish Grinch]

Any updates?

[rustyflyer]

Just watched it go! Fantastic, pure Thunderbirds........

[thebluecube]

Taxied out to R/wy 24 L as expected. (partly using R/wy 24R)
Held on apron of 24 L (the concrete bit before the tarmac runway itself starts) whilst engine warm-ups were gone through.
Then was held to allow BMI Emberarer to depart on 24 R.
Departed at 12.07.
Didn't use any more R/wy than a fully laden 747 would.
VERY BIG, very impressive & NOT as noisy as I was expecting.
If I can figure out how, I'll try to post the video of its departure.

[gazza007]

Well worth waiting 3 days. Horrible weather today by 24L but special & unique occasion. Used much less runway than I imagined.
I have a short piece of video if anybody is interested or can advise where to post.

[brassmonkey]

Post the video on youtube and put a link on here. I missed it go but managed to have a good look round inside the thing yesterday. Awesome!!

[gazza007]

will do when I get in.
Somebody already posted on youtube near 24L threshold.
mine is at rotation point

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

The issues were that the only route to the runway (due to wingspan) requires 9 stands to be closed and a massive exercise with closing roads etc. After pushback it takes at least 15 minutes to stow the towbar so the taxiway is blocked. It then will take a minimum of 15 minutes to taxi for departure. Once lined up, the takeoff procedure involves running all engines at high power for at least 5-6 minutes prior to brake release. We have been given approval for an 0900z.


Cheers for that. Hadn't considered the shutting of stands and taxiways. Still don't quite understand why she couldn't leave after dark when it is quieter around the airport - unless the 24R closures hampered things.

Does that mean that MAN is less likely to host her in the future?

I am slightly surprised that MAN was chosen as the departure airport - were EMA/DSA/STN/PIK not cheaper or easier alternatives?

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Least Manchester has 2 runways and it can work on one for a while whilst the AN225 did its power checks and it was quietest time of the day as well

I went round to 24L threshold with the wife (we must be mad in that rain ) but was well worth watching and the size when you get close up is amazing.
The whole tail section was flexing as the aircraft did its run-up


G-I-B

[The AvgasDinosaur]

With only one AN225 in existence it would be a reasonable assumption that it would be the same airframe, the second AN225 remains in pieces at the factory.
A bit of news here regarding AN225 number 2

http://www.russian-aviation.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1179
Hope it helps
Be lucky
David

[sniper9652]

Great, :D The next question is then?.......When is it 's expected return to MAN? ;)

Regards, Steve

[gazza007]

As promised short video shot on my digicam
sorry about the shakes!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-ti2lW5n9w

Enjoy

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Was the shakes due the wind or the chill factor because you were soaked?
very good though
I remember being at the airport when the 1st B747 (BOAC) came in
but I think there were a tad few more people there for that as it was in days when the piers were open and it took about 10 minutes to walk the full length
and I was only a kid then I might say

G-I-B

[EGCC4284]

It is scheduled to return on the 11th October at 20:30 local time.


As someone said to me on the ramp, with it being a freighter, will it be on time.

[gazza007]

Yes was quite wet with the wind from the south. Micheal La Vell [aka Kevin wesbster from the street was there too with his dogs]
I remember the 1st 747, my dad took me. I remember going in terminal 1 at the original entrance with the arched canopies up the stairs, passing the old chandaliers & down to the window as it was early evening.
That I think kicked off my interest. The old viewing days were great, the sights, smell & the noise. Would always cycle down as much as possible after school especially on divert days to see piers A & B full of widebodies. I've seen a few 1st's. Like concorde, space shuttle etc etc, tried to make a career in flying but failed. lack of funds & women!!!!!

[VP8]

It is scheduled to return on the 11th October at 20:30 local time.
As someone said to me on the ramp, with it being a freighter, will it be on time.

It's not coming back to MAN going elswhere :E

VEEPS

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

It's not coming back to MAN going elswhere :E
VEEPS


Oh - that's a shame.

Is that because of the slots issues faced on the outbound sector?

I take it you'll be dropping her in DSA/EMA/STN then Veeps?

[UPSAirOps]

It's not coming back to MAN going elswhere :E
VEEPS

Possibly EMA on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning from Lagos?

[VP8]

Oh - that's a shame.
Is that because of the slots issues faced on the outbound sector?
I take it you'll be dropping her in DSA/EMA/STN then Veeps?

No probs with slots in Man, They were very flexible with the aircraft. Customer wants cargo back in the E Midlands area.

VEEPS:ok:

[The AvgasDinosaur]

If MAN didn't c:mad: K up then its fingers crossed for more ADB highlights in the future. I just wish they would paint her in full colours. Like what a flag ship should be. http://www.aviasvit.com.ua/photo/aviasv445.jpg
Be lucky
David

[bigmuk]

do you guys know if it will be returning to man shortly with what it took out ?

[EGCC4284]

It's not coming into Man, its definitely going to EMA

[Jet2]

Anyone know when it will be in and out of EMA??

[montrealblue]

Announced on Radio Leicester earlier this evening.
Antonov 225 due to arrive EMA during weds night, ETA not known.

EMA will open the aeropark thurs a.m. The aircraft will be parked opposite so should be able to get photos.

Park will be open again fri a.m. Aircraft due to leave about 09.30.

There will be a charge to go into the park (£2.00) proceeds to go to the upkeep of the park.

[cerdo]

We flew back into NEMA Yesterday at 02.30 local.
What an experience. I am NoseyParkers partner ( thanks Dear, sorry I couldn't arrange the proposal!!) .
The reason tha we didn't come back to MAN was that they became insreasingly unhelpfull as our departure got more and more delayed. Appears that they wanted the publicity of it landing there, but quickly got bored with it!!
Yes, we did get the stage built in time ( I had a 42 hour day following our departure. The start of the gig was delayed by the Diva like attitude of one of the stars. The whole of Nigeria is based on back handers, and our departure at both ends was all due to monies being promised but not being deliverd.
It's one hell of an experience, and I've got loads of photo's. I will be looking at the YouTube video shortly, as I oddly, couldn't see the take off!

Big Thanks To Bob the Flight Manager, (Phil) CharterMan, and all of the crew. Also to MAnchester Handling, particularly Julian.
Didn't realise tah it was such a coup for them.
Cheers
Cerdo

[an-225 on me]

i don't know if any of u know but there are 6 an-225's now
2 with the russians
2 with a transporting ltd
and the other 2 i don't know where they are

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Sorry to P*** on your parade there are only two AN-225s (well 1.65 to be precise)
http://membres.lycos.fr/airbus/747-v-380.jpg
http://www.defence.co.kr/bbs/data/airarms4/an225-02%5B1%5D.jpg
UR 82060 owned and operated by Antonov design Bureau
and the second incomplete one
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=130731
Heres a link to the company website.
http://www.antonov.com/products/aircompany/index.xml;jsessionid=aR0pvuCpJc55
Hope it helps.
Be lucky
David
P.S. Why .65 Well I was once told it was almost 2/3rds complete structurally:eek: Wish they would get their finger out and finish the job :ok:

[Newforest]

Almost February 1st, not April 1st.:rolleyes:

[VP8]

Hes deffo the only one flying:ok:

an-225 on me is deffo on a wind up trip:ugh::D:=

VEEPS

[PPRuNe Dispatcher]

According to the Antanov website, the An-225 has by far the highest cruising altitude of any commercial aircraft. :E

http://www.antonov.com/products/air/transport/AN-225/its.xml

[The Flying Pram]

Cruising altitude, km 9 000 - 12 000
(My Bolding)

No worries reaching a suitable airfield if all 6 engines fail....

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Cruising altitude, km 9 000 - 12 000
I think you will find that is a typo for 9000m to 12000m. Most eastern bloc ( Is it still OK to say that ?:eek:) work their flight levels in meters and not feet so that is roughly 27,000 to 36,000 feet or FL270 to FL360 in imperial speak.:cool:
Hope it helps
David
The Buran she was built to carry might manage 9000km altitude though

[Captivep]

I think they both knew it was a typo...:)

[The AvgasDinosaur]

I just thought about safety in numbers :O
Be lucky
David