FlyGlobespan - 3

[SFBOps]

When is the next 767 joining the fleet? I heard it was supposed to be October or November...any news?

[diesel36]

due around 11th oct coming a bit early

the one now will be going to manchester for the cpt and yyz

after its had its leather seats put in

should look nice

[jethro15]

I hear that Atlasjet are removing some of their aircraft fleet, I wonder if this is where GSM are getting any 757's from ?
No

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

[SFBOps]

Leather seats? Are they going to furnish G-CDPT with leather as well then? Every seat in that aircraft is currently cloth. Where is their 2nd 767 coming from? Reg?

[diesel36]

g-cdpt is having leather in business and premium

think the 2nd one is having the same as well

cant remember the reg, its in the hanger in nz at the minute

again coming from air new zealand

thats where they are all coming from

when the next one arrives g-cdpt will be at manchester

[afterdark]

No

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

any ideas where the 757's are coming from yet ?

[jethro15]

afterdark

No, and neither do Flyglobespan

[webby1919]

I've heard that they will be getting them from ILFC, who in turn will be getting them from AA, who are currently leasing the B757. Will have to wait and see. They will get them though, as they do need them for their Canada operation.

[jethro15]

webby1919

Ah, now ILFC/AA is a new source thrown into the hat!

[webby1919]

well ILFC are GSMs main leasing contractor. It would make sense.

[alosaurus]

Can we call this thread Flyglobespan 3.5....won't let me post within 300 seconds .......noooooooooo....hope I don't miss the window.
Mental not to self....get a life!!!!:rolleyes:

[Northern Hero]

Gaz

AA have Rollers on each wing of their 757's.

NH

[brian_dromey]

All?
From the AA site. Would these be ex TWA 757's?
Gaz

Yes all AA 757s are RR powered. The 757s from TWA had P&W power. AA choose to keep them, but shortened the leases. I think those leases are due to expire before the end of 2007.

Im not sure how many 757s are PW powered but some are definately going to delta.

[OltonPete]

Any GSM insider explain the current timetable for BHX-YHM in 2007

Two flights currently showing Monday and Thursday in the timetable
but when you go to book Monday it just offers the Thursday one.

The timings also seem to indicate a a YHM based aircraft when I
thought it was the STN one routing through on a Wednesday.

Pete

[Jet_stream]

Should only be operating on a Thursday o/b and Wednesday i/b. The times look like a YHM based a/c as the o/b is via BHX but i/b is via BFS. Wednesday flight operates from STN via EXT o/b and via BHX i/b.

[limey lad]

Interesting about the 757s from American - they are offloading all the P&W 757s they inherited from TWA. There had been some talk of NWA picking up the remaining ones that Delta didn't get, but this has gone quiet of late - the TWA aircraft are already etops certified. With all this expansion, I hope Globespan do not overextend themselves.

[GW76]

Now that would be interesting, P&W over the Atlantic
Gaz
Why ? its been done lots before. Condor, Finnair....and soon to be NW

[brian_dromey]

:S You just contradicted yourself. "All AA 757's are RR powered." And then saying they have P&W powered engines until the end of 2007?Gaz

Sorry I should have been clearer. all 757-223s have Rollers(these were ordered byAA) ALL 757-231s have P&Ws. AA is ridding itself of the -231s, as these were originally TWA aircraft. We all know how keen AMR is to rid itself of all TWA memories, and these are the last ones.

Anyways, are GSM definately taking 757s in the comming months? Where is it going to deploy them, the 75 is very flexable though and should have good payloads out of scotland to the farther throws of package holiday destinations. Both to the East, West and South!

Seriously though GSM may find it tough to get good 757s at a decent price, the 75 is in great demand at the moment. Twenty years after they got them the yanks have finally realised how to deploy them!

[GW76]

Where is it going to deploy them, the 75 is very flexable though and should have good payloads out of scotland to the farther throws of package holiday destinations. Both to the East, West and South!
757s are essentially for Canada routes from YHM. One will operate the LPL-JFK route.

[goldeneye]

New routes launced from Aberdeen today, they are

Alicante 2x weekly (Mon, Fri) from 27 April.
Barcelona 2x weekly (Sun, Thu) from 29 April.
Paphos weekly (Tue) from 1 May.
Faro 2x weekly (Sat, Wed) from 28 April.
Murcia 2x weekly (Sun, Wed) from 29 April.
Palma 3x weekly (Sat, Mon, Thu) from 28 April.

And four routes from MME, They are AGP, PMI from 30 March and ALC & FAO from 1 April.

Alicante is 3x weekly (Sun, Wed, Thu)
Faro is 3x weekly (Sun, Tue, Thu)
Malaga is 4x weekly (Sat, Mon, Wed, Fri)
Palma is 3x weekly (Sar, Mon, Fri)

Along with the current winter tueday flight to TFS

[Richard Taylor]

Is it still GSM's intention to do an ABZ-AGP route, or have they dropped that idea for now?

I see TFS will be a Fri, 0700 Dept from ABZ, so appears the ABZ-based a/c will take over the duties in S07 from the TFS-based one.

[sickBocks]

www.jethros.i12.com now showing the 757s being sourced from XLA. (the ex-Eastern Airlines ones)

sB

[GoEDI]

sickBocks

21 years old, 74th and 75th built? :uhoh: I thought they were looking to source some that maybe weren't so... long in the tooth?

[Curious Pax]

Could be wrong, but I didn't think they were ER models, so that could be a challenge for GSM's new transatlantic routes!

[afterdark]

could these old birds be reliable enough to cope with daily scheduled transatlantic hops ?
GSM are a very punctual airline albeit quite a small airline (by aircraft numbers) at the moment, I suspect adding old birds like this might cause a little deviation of their flightpath a little. ( maybe they are short leases due to the recent re-birth in the 757 with added winglets and aircraft in short supply )
does anyone know the reliability and state of the cabins in these birds ?

[alosaurus]

Hi Guys,

Understand the 737 mob are on £62,000 PA and the 767 guys are on £75,000 is there a third payscale for 757 guys and are they considering non type rated people for direct entry on the 757 (will the CAA even allow this)?

[goldeneye]

Does anyone know why the BGI & LAS flights have been dropped, they are no longer avail for sale on the website.

[firstchoice7e7]

According to another aviation website, the BGI and LAS have been dropped due to dissapointing interest.:uhoh:

[daz211]

If this is true, I think they would have been better off trying the route from STN.

[cabot]

Maybe if they had offered accomodation with the flights then these routes would have been more appealing.

[gayrugbybloke]

I understandfrom what I have heard in meeting as MAN, that GSM are looking to serve 2 west coast USA destinations from MAN next year. Anyone know anymore? Presumably SFO and LAX are the cities in question?

If I were in charge at GSM, I'd be looking at the following routes from MAN:

Lagos (loads of profit to be made here)

Athens (no low-cost option from the north to Greece at present)

Hong Kong (get in there before CX ever do)

Bangkok (again, get in there before Thai)

[daz211]

Yes I agree, but the same could be said for Stansted, as the airport is the 3rd larges uk airport and still has no longhaul US flights, that is apart from Maxjet and Eos airlines, I am very suprised that no other airline has jumped on the fact that there is a huge untapped market for longhaul out of STN.

[airhumberside]

If I were in charge at GSM, I'd be looking at the following routes from MAN:
Lagos (loads of profit to be made here)
Is there any demand for MAN to Lagos?

[Daza]

Just a quick point STN is UKs fourth largest airport in terms of passengers Manchester is 3rd
Daza

[daz211]

Are you sure about that? thought it changed to STN this year,
I might be wrong but I dont think so.

[pwalhx]

Surely the point isnt whether Stansted or Manchester are the third largest in passenger terms.

More relevant is that there are west coast services from London Airports already but there aren't from the North. This may be more importnat in GSM's deliberations.

[Musket90]

Daz is right on two counts

1. STN is now doing 1.3m pa more pax than MAN so is 3rd busiest in UK for pax but with a lot less air transport movements. Good use of a single runway.

2. STN needs long haul and there definitely a market whether it be Maxjet/Eos product or other and also spare runway/terminal capacity to provide it. LGW and LHR are not the only option, particularly as STN has catchment area further to the north.

[jongeman]

airhumberside - yes there probably is a market for MAN - LOS now.

pwalhx - the currrent sticking point for MAN - West Coast direct services is that AA, DL, CO, BD/UA, US (and soon possibly NW) are all already here trying to get the passengers. GSM might work, but at more of a charter frequency.

[daz211]

I just think with STN being the 3rd largest uk airport in pax numbers, that the low cost airlines would be a great feeder for none all business class airlines of which there are none to the USA, when CO were at STN their flights were always full the route was only pulled after Sep 11th.
I am very suprised that no major US carrier has moved in on this missing market at STN.

Dont think im knocking MAXJET or EOS, STN just need some lower priced Transatlantic carriers and an OZ flight wouldnt go amiss.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stn-ath

I see from the website that STN-ATH has only one day left that is bookable (27oct) STN-ATH (28oct) ATN-STN, can anyone tell me
if this route will be replaced with another route?
Looks like GSM have just left STN with toronto and tenerife.

[webby1919]

Looks like the Timetable for W06 is getting finalised just now at such as late stage.

No longer going to be a TFS-based A/C - all flights from MME and EDI will operate via GLA.

The LPL/STN flight to TFS will operate LPL-STN-TFS-STN-LPL until New Year.

No longer BGI and LAS flights from GLA for W06.

BCN continues throughout W06 from EDI 2 weekly, operaing Thurs/Sun.

[daz211]

Is there a lack of A/C ? strange TFS will dep LPL via STN,
always thought it was a heavy route out of STN, and with it being
high season in TFS this comes as a shock.

[johnrizzo2000]

LAS and BGI kind of surprised me as routes in the first place! Its a pity they didnt even get to start; bookings must have been really low

[Stanstedeye]

Is there a lack of A/C ? strange TFS will dep LPL via STN,
always thought it was a heavy route out of STN, and with it being
high season in TFS this comes as a shock.

According to FlyGlobespan this arrangment is only from 1/11 till 21/12, then reverting to a direct flight.

[transwede]

Durham Base
Now that GSM have selected MME as a base with new short haul loco flights starting, there is a faint whisper on the aviation grapevine that longhaul from Durham is also on the cards? Could it be true? Surely longhaul would be better suited to NCL, or maybe not?

[bacardi walla]

The LPL/STN flight to TFS will operate LPL-STN-TFS-STN-LPL until New Year.


So where will the crew change be :confused:

[Sanjo]

and also what happens with the ATH flight??? is that coming back???

[cabot]

What about the second 763 from air NZ. Has it arrived yet? It's a bit longer in the tooth (built 93 i think) Anyone know it's whereabouts and whether it has been painted up yet.Sources from gsm tell me it is posssibly arriving on the 19th october

[14 loop]

Take a look at this link...picture of ZK-NCH, the next frame for GSM

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3050108/

[cabot]

Nice one ...........so this a/c takes over from the 1st aircraft at Glasgow which is repositioned down to Manchester.Whats the reasoning behind this?

[breagh01]

Perhaps something to do with the TLH, not sure but then again PT has been in the fleet for enough time to check out any little snaggy bits and because Maintrol is in EDI and most spares etc are sitting there then maybe thats why the new one is coming to Scotland first.
Looking forward to this addition and awaiting news on possibility of 2 X 757 arriving at EDI for the Toronto route too.

[MAN_Dispatcher]

Any idea yet who is handling GSM at MME? Aviance or Servisair?

[Jet_stream]

The DUB-SNN-YHM will be operated by the GLA based a/c on a Fri.

[codpiece face]

Any truth in the rumour that gsm are looking at services to Pakistan?

[jethro15]

I'm not sure how the DUB and SNN - YHM flights are working. Operating DUB-SNN-YHM-SNN-DUB. But I don't know where the aicraft comes from.
Gaz
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fleet_listings/excel_airways_ireland.htm

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

[Jet_stream]

The info on Jethros is not correct. The GLA - YHM is operated by the MAN a/c on a Fri ie: MAN - GLA - YHM and the GLA based a/c ferries to DUB empty and operates DUB - SNN - YHM.

Not sure where this Excel Ireland thing has come from.

[breagh01]

jethro15
Thats confusing. 2x 757's for a weekly DUB-SNN-YHM flight? Or is there more to it?

Don't know the real truth in that GLAGAZ but then that's why it's on pprune lol.
would it maybe a daily thing??
if it was then 2 would be justified for rotation.
dunno, FGS rumours re: new a/c change everyday anyway.:ugh:

[gayrugbybloke]

How is Manchester to Cape Town selling at the moment? Presumably the profit is going to come from the business cabin, so is this selling well?

[webby1919]

Think the MAN-CPT is selling quite well. First 2 Sat flights in ECO going to CPT are sold out. First available flight in PREm-ECO is Sat 18th Nov (their 5 flight), and BUS is selling quite well - their first 2 flights are sold out.

GSM have released further S07 SH flights:

GLA-ATH weekly
GLA-PRG 2 weekly (demand for PRG must be dropping off now)

EDI-FCO 2 weekly (an increase in last year)

MME-TFS weekly

[daz211]

anyone in the know, are GSM just leaving Stansted with toronto and Tenerife for summer 2007, or can we expect more ?
shame about Athens, hope it comes back.

[webby1919]

Looking at the flight times another evening flight will operate over S07. The TFS returns to base at 17.20, perhaps with ATH going out again for S07 if they made a profit on the route for S06.

They may also increase the base to 2 A/C if they have the resources. At the moment the plans are for 14 B737s for S07:

1 ABZ based
1 STN based
1/2 MME based
1 LPL based
6 GLA based
3/4 EDI based (possibly 5 EDI based inc. Jet2 A/C)

B767s:

3 B767 GLA based, 1 B757 GLA based
1 B767 MAN based, 1 B757 MAN based
1 B757 STN based

[dwlpl]

Where has the based Liverpool aircraft for the LPL/JFK route gone?

[webby1919]

Oops. Also the 4th B757 will operate LPL-JFK daily.

In addition to the above a new B738 will arrive to operate daily BOS from GLA.

[scotsunflyer]

[quote=webby1919;2931859]
1/2 MME based


MME will be one based B736, OR B733.

(Would a B736 make it from MME to TFS?)

[webby1919]

It probably could on a restricted load. Will have to wait and see.

[breagh01]

Looking at the flight times another evening flight will operate over S07. The TFS returns to base at 17.20, perhaps with ATH going out again for S07 if they made a profit on the route for S06.
They may also increase the base to 2 A/C if they have the resources. At the moment the plans are for 14 B737s for S07:
1 ABZ based
1 STN based
1/2 MME based
1 LPL based
6 GLA based
3/4 EDI based (possibly 5 EDI based inc. Jet2 A/C)
B767s:
3 B767 GLA based, 1 B757 GLA based
1 B767 MAN based, 1 B757 MAN based
1 B757 STN based

Edi currently has 3 x 736 (not counting jet2) but losing one next week and getting a 300 instead (PN) (yay, not) 736 is off to Romania for maint and cabin refit (2 x more seat rows going in).
don't forget about the 700's and the 800 that will be coming shortly, last i heard they were still on the prod line and nearly finished.
oh 300 is doing Chambrey by the way.
Webby says "possibly 5 EDI based inc. jet2 A/C".
if FGS operate 3 and Jet2 operate 3 then thats 3 at the moment and not
counting future arrivals.

I shall try to find out more.

[breagh01]

Ah now the 800's are going across the pond up over Keflavik then refuell at St John's I believe. and down to Sanford.
Inflight entertainment would be portable DVD players handed out to pax.
Why dont they just fit screen as A/C are entertainment ready anyway.

[dwlpl]

Oops. Also the 4th B757 will operate LPL-JFK daily.
In addition to the above a new B738 will arrive to operate daily BOS from GLA.

Now for my next question, can I presume that the Liverpool/Tenerife service will carry on into the summer?

[GoEDI]

Looking at the flight times another evening flight will operate over S07. The TFS returns to base at 17.20, perhaps with ATH going out again for S07 if they made a profit on the route for S06.
They may also increase the base to 2 A/C if they have the resources. At the moment the plans are for 14 B737s for S07:
1 ABZ based
1 STN based
1/2 MME based
1 LPL based
6 GLA based
3/4 EDI based (possibly 5 EDI based inc. Jet2 A/C)
B767s:
3 B767 GLA based, 1 B757 GLA based
1 B767 MAN based, 1 B757 MAN based
1 B757 STN based

EDI is going to need atleast 5 aircraft next summer. 2 B736s, 2 Jet B733s and 1 B73G is a good bet, with the 3rd B736 that EDI had this summer going to MME.

[breagh01]

GoEDI

Ok let me ask you this then. exactly how much does FGS use Jet2???
I know the answer but would like to see the response.
EDI FGS will have 5 or 6 A/C next year but thats not using Jet2 either believe me.:p

[GoEDI]

breagh01

I couldn't tell you exactly but PMI, BCN and AGP seem to see a lot of Jet2 use over the summer as well as MAH and PUY before it orginated in GLA were operated by Jet2 every week, as it sounds like you know...
Are you suggesting GSM are going to have 5 or 6 aircraft base next summer comprised entirely of their own aircraft? I'm not quite sure how that is possible with the requirement for aircraft at GLA, MME, STN, ABZ and presumably LPL. Care to tell us more?;)

[Pontious]

I can't believe they'd use a 737NG on a routing via St.Johns. It would make more sense to route via KBGR where the pax and crews can clear the drag of U.S. Immigration and Customs while the A/C is being cleaned, refuelled and catered therefore entering KBOS, KJFK or KSFB as a 'domestic' flight.
KBGR or Bangor,Maine used to thrive on those kinds of op's when most UK Charter carriers used B757's on the US/Caribbean routes. Carriers like Air2Bob, Britannia, Airtours, Monarch all had a bunch of crews floating through KBGR which meant you always had some precious 'Standby' cover for both cabin crew & flight deck.
Just a thought.

[nef]

If they are going to use a 738 to SFB from GLA, what are they going to do with the 767s? Additionally, if this flight is operated on smaller aircraft and has an en-route refuelling stop it's hardly going to help it's popularity - Surely one of the main attractions up till now is the fact its a non-stop flight?:confused: I certainly wouldn't be particularly attracted to a flight with such a stop and I suspect many others would feel the same and revert to flying with in-situ US carriers via their hubs.

And what about BOS? It's never been clearly stated (to my knowledge) what a/c type is going to operate it - I guess it will be a mix? If a 738 is used, can GSMs ones make it to BOS non-stop?

Interestingly, although a lot of people will be booking thier hoildays for next summer at this time of year, I don't think I've seen any advertsing whatsoever for the GSMs planned GLA-BOS service. They seem to expect people just to automatically go and book, but if they don't advertise it widely in a range of media outlets then it'll go the same way as the planned LAS and BGI flights (which again I never saw advertised - how are people supposed to know they exist?:rolleyes: )

[daz211]

I thought the lack of advertising was a south east problem only, but it seems not, GSM pilled Stansted Chambery due lack of booking, this route and the Tenerife and Athens were not advertised, only on there web site, this cant be good for the airline and things must change.

[Pontious]

In my opinion, the (4) B763's will be used for the GLA-SFB & MAN-CPT which are already sold or selling. A third B763 developing & serving STN routes possibly to SFB & others, with a 4th aircraft available for lucrative 3rd Party work and/or an in-house Standby unit.
Once the route network has stabilised, any identifiable 'gaps' in the programme, in addition to scheduled 'downtime', could be filled with responses to demand for extra or reduced capacity by substituting the 763's with 752's and vice versa plus interchanging the 752's with 738's as and when required, as capacity demand dictates.
Once the programme settles down, it wouldn't suprise me if GLA, STN and MAN/LPL each had at least a 763, a 752 & a 738, with a 'spare' 763 & 752 floating between EDI, NCL as well as GLA, STN & MAN/LPL. The bulk of the 73's filling the 'bread and butter' core bases within Scotland & Northern England.
Exciting times ahead.

[daz211]

It would be a very good move to expand long haul routes
out of Stansted, I cant understand why it has not happend
before only by Maxjet and Eos.

But by the looks of things summer 07 only looks like Tenerife
and Toronto from GSM, or is there more to be announced,
its getting on abit if there is:zzz: .

[breagh01]

If they are going to use a 738 to SFB from GLA, what are they going to do with the 767s? Additionally, if this flight is operated on smaller aircraft and has an en-route refuelling stop it's hardly going to help it's popularity - Surely one of the main attractions up till now is the fact its a non-stop flight?:confused: I certainly wouldn't be particularly attracted to a flight with such a stop and I suspect many others would feel the same and revert to flying with in-situ US carriers via their hubs.
And what about BOS? It's never been clearly stated (to my knowledge) what a/c type is going to operate it - I guess it will be a mix? If a 738 is used, can GSMs ones make it to BOS non-stop?
Interestingly, although a lot of people will be booking thier hoildays for next summer at this time of year, I don't think I've seen any advertsing whatsoever for the GSMs planned GLA-BOS service. They seem to expect people just to automatically go and book, but if they don't advertise it widely in a range of media outlets then it'll go the same way as the planned LAS and BGI flights (which again I never saw advertised - how are people supposed to know they exist?:rolleyes: )

the two 767's will be used for cape town, well at least one is i know that.

[Tommyinyork]

Anyone notice that the GSM 763s only have front and rear doors, how is this going to work in a 3 class sector. Walking through first class to get to economy ?, unless they use remote stands at Manchester, first and economy plus boarding at front and economy at rear or will they have first class at rear.

[jet2impress]

Tommyinyork

You just board at the front if on an airbridge. No probelms. Y class pax will just have to walk through the business class cabin.

[goldeneye]

Tommyinyork

Its fairly common practice for Y pax to walk through the Upgraded cabins, ive done this on plenty of airlines including the likes of QF, AC and UA.

[Vuelo]

I was inder the impression that GSM were to expand long haul from MAN, to destinations on the USA west coast initially.

Does anyone know if CPT will remain year-round?

[Hen Ddraig]

Just noticed that as from 1 May 2007 Flyglobespan is renaming John C Munro International Airport, Hamilton, Ontario as Toronto (Hamilton)
This adds a sixth airport to Toronto, they already have
Toronto Pearson
Toronto City Centre (The Island)
Toronto Buttonville
Toronto Brampton
Toronto Downsview
This looks like Flyglobespan trying to outRyanair Ryanair, John C Munro is 75 km from downtown Toronto
Hamilton has a great airport, no queues, easy parking, good access, and some great based aircraft, I use it whenever possible, but it aint Toronto and never will be.

Hen Ddraig

Time to spare, go by air.

[james170969]

Hen Ddraig

I've flown into Toronto Pearson many times from Heathrow and once from Glasgow International. From disembarking the aircraft to being outside the terminal building usually takes me about one hour with the majority of the time spent waiting on my luggage. I agree with you in that Hamilton Airport is not Toronto, however, the difference in time it takes to get from Hamilton (as opposed to Pearson) to Toronto should be partially offset by the fact thatit is a much smaller airport and shouldn't take around an hour to get out of it. It will also be more convenient for those travelling to Burlington, Hamilton and the Niagara region.

[Hen Ddraig]

My point was simply that airlines should not geographically describe airports as places which they are not. Hamilton is not Toronto.
I recently had a shock experience at Toronto Pearson, I was out of the terminal in 45min from an international flight.
My record at Hamilton is 12 min from aircraft door open to driving along highway 6, admittedly from an internal flight but including collecting checked baggage. Home to Burlington in a further 20 mins.
Hen Ddraig
Time to spare, go by air.

[daz211]

I have no problem with any airlines advertising flights to any airport, that are close enough for me to get to the city of choice, I am not that thick to think Hamelton is Toronto but it gives you a clue of the geographical
area into which you will land what is the problem ?
when I book a flight I look to see where im going to fly to, so calling it Toronto (Hamelton) gives you a clue that it is in easy reach of Toronto
nothing more nothing less.

[Evileyes]

Flyglobespan passenger seating and amenities thread moved here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250348

[doo]

So why not rename Southhampton London (Southampton) then?
because it's not a London airport!
Hamilton is not Toronto it's a city in its own right. and p.s getting to the airport is a pain with no direct motorway link you have to drive through part of the city stop lights and all.
One good thing is the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum

[james170969]

Getting to and from Pearson can be an even bigger pain! Anytime I've driven to Hamilton Airport the only traffic lights I've encountered are in Burlington - you don't have to drive through Hamilton to get to Hamilton Airport! At least at Hamilton Airport it doesn't take me nearly an hour from getting off the plane to getting into the car. Most people from the UK won't know where Hamilton Airport is so if Flyglobespan decide to call it Toronto Hamilton Airport then at least people will know that it's fairly near Toronto.

[Daza]

Having seen what BMIBaby are planning at BHX we need a real LOCO with new ideas routes at BHX maybe we would get some decent routes with a real chance of success? Good luck to Flyglobespan they seem to be the innovators in the UK regions at the moment.
Daza

[doo]

James ,
done the drive many times, either the QEW x the Burlington Bridge and go up via Stony Creek (real pain) or QEW/427 403 , up the mountain, exit the motorway(following the signs) Lincon Alexander Pkwy(411) then go via commercial/ residential sub road (another pain), maybe the only way you miss lights is via Brantford. Point being it's Hamilton Not Toronto so don't call it Toronto.

[Hen Ddraig]

You can now exit the 403 onto highway 6 south and it takes you right past the front of Hamilton International and Canadian Warplane Heritage. I Don't remember any lights on the new section.

Hen Ddraig

Time to spare, go by air.

[exloadie]

767 at Liverpool today on a training run had a slight mishap with one of the rear "escape shutes" being accidently set off resulting in very red faces among crew onboard:O

[webby1919]

Sales look quite good:
ECONOMY
Flights sold out until 13th Nov 06
PREMIUM
1 seat left Sat 4th Nov 06
BUSINESS
Flights sold out until 13 Nov 06

Hopefully CPT will prove a success.

[Vuelo]

Are GSM likely to continue the MAN CPT route after the end of the winter scheds? I think the real money spnner would be Jo'burg personally, but see how they go with CPT first.Hope it isn't another AV8 venture!

[Sanjo]

Sales look quite good:
ECONOMY
Flights sold out until 13th Nov 06
PREMIUM
1 seat left Sat 4th Nov 06
BUSINESS
Flights sold out until 13 Nov 06
Hopefully CPT will prove a success.
how can sold out flights be a success?? are you guys not yield managing?? sold out flights are a success for your competitor who can now charge whatever they want!!

[Eff Oh]

how can sold out flights be a success?? are you guys not yield managing?? sold out flights are a success for your competitor who can now charge whatever they want!!
That is a wind up right??? A full aircraft is not a success???? :eek:

[webby1919]

No offence Sanjo, but do you know how much the revenue was for the flight? I don't either, but I assume that as the business class was sold out and these flights were selling for around £400 each way, I'd imagine, without further evidence, these flights are successful. Its mainly the business and cargo that makes the route profitable, with ECO/PREM covering costs.

[Cargocat]

Webby, What sort of revenue do you think airlines generate on a per kilo basis for carrying cargo????

[Sanjo]

no offense taken...

but consider this... say out of an aircraft with 220 seats... is it better to sell

1. 220 seats for £400? or
2. charge more and sell 200 seats for £450?

plus you dont send customers away to your competitors... you do the maths and let me know...

whatever revenue you achieve on a full flight, the message is you could have charged more and not sell out.

[webby1919]

We will see all in good time ... their year end has just passed and their accounts will be published later in the year. I'm sure they've still made a good profit.

[Vuelo]

Seems odd that GSM close a lfight for reservations on their website as soon as it becomes 'full'. Makes it look like they are not operating on that date, and besides, what;s the harm in overbooking a flight? No-shows are sure to happen, even to GSM!

[TartinTon]

Might be or might not be. I suspect that GSM want their first flights to be full almost regardless of whether they make a profit or not ( I assume that they will). What a great way to start for everyone in the company...nice full flights..airport staff are happy, crew are happy, hopefully the passengers will be happy too! They will also be making money off ancillaries. A good start I would say. Cranking up the yields is for when you've developed a route. Volume is the key at start-up. Prove you have a market to develop.

[Richard Taylor]

Good luck to GSM, their "ABZ era" starts later today, with a B738 TFS-ABZ service.

[SWBKCB]

Any news on the further routes for DTVA?

[Pontious]

Nope.

But their inaugural MAN-CPT leaves MAN at 15:55 tomorrow. 3-Class 767.

[Brakes to Park]

Is MAN-CPT non stop?

[breagh01]

:hmm: no offense taken...
but consider this... say out of an aircraft with 220 seats... is it better to sell
1. 220 seats for £400? or
2. charge more and sell 200 seats for £450?
plus you dont send customers away to your competitors... you do the maths and let me know...
whatever revenue you achieve on a full flight, the message is you could have charged more and not sell out.
Oh come on!
£450 x 2 x 220 = £180,000
£400 x 2 x 220 = £176,000
Are you seriously going to quibble over £4,000? when you are looking at that kind of money for ONE return journey :confused:
If I was TD I would be buying an extra large Turkey for the family this year :D
As for the competitors - you tell me who else fly's that route and let us know the manifest results and THEN we will do the maths, dont you at least agree with that ;)
I don't see the point calculating sums when you have no comparitive figures :=

[alosaurus]

Two questions

1. Are GSm due to start the MAN - Capetown tomorrow? Have not seen the 767.

2. On one thread recently someone posted a CAA repost showing load factors..no. of pax flown etc...it had GSm at 87% load factor....anyone know where I can find this link cos can't see it here anymore?

[LGS6753]

breagh01 -

I'm glad you're not in my business.

No operator can afford to ignore the 'odd four grand' on every rotation. Have you seen the margins airlines make (the ones that are profitable...)?

'Coffee', 'smell', and 'wake up' spring to mind.

[Pontious]

Brakes to Park.

Hopefully. It will depend on the performance available on the day. It's right at the edge of the B763's limit. It departs at 1555 today.

:ok:

[afterdark]

the second 767-300 arrived from AUK via SFB this morning at 3.25am

they had to use a 737-800W on the Manchester to Toronto route yesterday via Iceland

I dont know whether the latest 767 has still to go for certification first before it can be used for routes out of the U.K.

[caaardiff]

Have heard talk (and i stress rumour!) that GSM and Zoom are forming a closer partnership for a bigger UK operation.
Anyone heard anything or know of anything going on?

[breagh01]

breagh01 -
I'm glad you're not in my business.
No operator can afford to ignore the 'odd four grand' on every rotation. Have you seen the margins airlines make (the ones that are profitable...)?
'Coffee', 'smell', and 'wake up' spring to mind.


Wouldn't want to be in your business !
oh and i drink plenty of coffee thank you.

[breagh01]

She is still in GLA with snags at the moment. headless chickens are aplenty trying to get it away. tsk tsk. Should have left this afternoon to Manchester.

[smith]

£4000 x 365 days a year is a lot of money, also selling anciliaries on aircraft is a major factor in a succesful loco model therefore the higher loads will generate extra onboard profits.

[Jet_stream]

To Alosaurus

Here's the link you were looking for .

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airline_data/200605/04_1_All_Sc heduled_Services_Table.pdf (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airline_data/200605/04_1_All_Scheduled_Services_Table.pdf)

[alosaurus]

Jet Stream,

Thanks for that, buy you a beer if we ever night stop together.

Al

[Man_User]

YYZ Flight did go on 737-8, and via iceland, pax were not to pleased.
Zoom did book pax on this flight.

CPT, Business was full, Prem 1 seat, Cattle 1 seat.
GSM 763-PT oped this flight and should be doing all YYZ and CPT flights from now on.

[Vuelo]

39 on inbound CPT to MAN. Not great by anyone's standards for a 1st flight!

Are they not advertising in South Africa?

[breagh01]

Perhaps not as strongly as they are here but then after 1 or 2 weeks we should see that pick up as PX return fron holidays etc.

Anyone got news on 757's or 737-700's yet?

[jongeman]

39 on inbound CPT to MAN. Not great by anyone's standards for a 1st flight!
Are they not advertising in South Africa?
It's not too bad for a first CPT - MAN flight. You can expect that these flights will be used very approximately by 20% South African and 80% UK based travellers, just like Air Transat and Thomas Cook to and from Vancouver/Calgary etc....(only with 20% Canadians as opposed to South Africans on board!)

[Tarek Nor]

She is still in GLA with snags at the moment. headless chickens are aplenty trying to get it away. tsk tsk. Should have left this afternoon to Manchester.

Sorry WRONG.

The new a/c FG was on the SFB flight.

PT positioned to MAN for the CPT flight. PT was always going to MAN.

[Tarek Nor]

Perhaps not as strongly as they are here but then after 1 or 2 weeks we should see that pick up as PX return fron holidays etc.
Anyone got news on 757's or 737-700's yet?
New 737s and the 757s are not due till next year.

[breagh01]

Sorry WRONG.
The new a/c FG was on the SFB flight.
PT positioned to MAN for the CPT flight. PT was always going to MAN.


What are you on about. I was meaning the 767 leaving from GLA to MAN, A/C was late due to having lack of lifevests which they had to borrow from elsewhere. BTW did anyone see the police attending as the PX started a brawl in the terminal as they were miffed at being delayed.

[goldeneye]

New routes following bmibabys withdraw from MME. IBZ, PUY, MAH, JER & NCE along side existing launched flights to AGP, ALC, FAO & PMI

[Vuelo]

Have heard rumour that GSM are to soon announce a masive long haul programme from MAN, with the acquisition of more 767s to be based at the airport.

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

Would have thought west coast USA and Bahgkok would be good routes to start with.

[1_4_the_road]

heres hoping those rumours are true....If so where are these 767's coming from??? And I wonder if they have thought about buying into the queen of the skys 747-400...Think im dreaming there...but hey lifes one big dream haha

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Globespan set to lease B767 to Air India from 22nd November
source Hindustan Times


G-I-B

[Richard Taylor]

How have the first couple of TFS-ABZ flights been going?

Also, is it still GSM's intention to launch a AGP-ABZ route next summer in competition with MON? I thought GSM were going to, but had then changed their minds.

Thanks. :ok:

[Flightrider]

Does anyone know what the third 767 will be doing next summer? I guess one will be on GLA-SFB and one will be on the various routes from YVR/YYC to the UK; but am curious as to where the third one will be.

LPL-JFK is now going via Knock on some days of the week, apparently!

[GW76]

Does anyone know what the third 767 will be doing next summer? I guess one will be on GLA-SFB and one will be on the various routes from YVR/YYC to the UK; but am curious as to where the third one will be.
LPL-JFK is now going via Knock on some days of the week, apparently!
GLA-SFB via BFS, MAN-YYZ via KEF , countless double drops for Canada and now Knock its all a bit of a shambles. I cant imagine its the last late change to routing we'll see. I cant think of another airline which does this so often. Its verging on unprofessional. No wonder they almost have a full page on their website to highlight the fact that there is likely to be route and time changes. Dont get me started on aircraft type swaps...... Get it sorted Tom.:=

[XSBaggage]

Mind you in their first year operating out of PIK there were a lot of double drops outside the peak summer season, such as PIK-NCE-PMI-PIK. Given their growth since then, I don't think anyone minded too much.

I just wonder if they are trying to grow too fast sometimes. They seemed to be on pretty solid footing for a while - mess around too many pax with strange ops decisions and your reputation can crumble very quickly!

XSB

[point5]

Anyone heard anything about the LPL-JFK flight operating via Knock?

[Curious Pax]

Globespan set to lease B767 to Air India from 22nd November
source Hindustan Times
G-I-B

How on earth are they going to achieve that given that both 767s look pretty fully utilised at MAN and GLA respectively (according to the timetables on their website).

There'll be a lot of unhappy punters if they pull one of them at short notice, or is the 3rd 767 closer than previosly thought?

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Glasgow B767 SFB and LAS programme appears to have been pulled

G-I-B

[pamann]

I can't see that SFB has been dropped, tho it does seem that the LAS has been pulled.
With all these non starters is it not about time that GSM experimented a bit with some long haul from STN other than their Toronto service. SFB, BOS, LAS & JFK would all go down well from STN as well as BGI.

[Vuelo]

56 on today's CPT arrival at MAN....very poor.

Are GSM actually doing any publicity in the Cape Town area?!

[jethro15]

There'll be a lot of unhappy punters if they pull one of them at short notice, or is the 3rd 767 closer than previosly thought?
G-CEFG is the a/c going to Air India. 3rd a/c now not yet required and therefore not imminent.

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

[diesel36]

vuelo.. Its only the 3rd flight for gods sake.:ugh:

Its like you wanting them to fail.. all 3 flights have been full outbound so those people will start coming home, so the flights will fill up.

Like been said before most of these pax will originate from man.

so probably very little traffic from CPT.

jethro15

The aircraft going to india is actually G-CDPT, and the third 767 is still coming in the new year.:ok:

[point5]

I thought 2 767s were required at the moment - one based at GLA and one at MAN operating pretty full schedules! I may be wrong... :confused:

[Pontious]

That IS the plan.

:ok:

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

G-CEFG arrived Manchester last Thursday after crew training at Liverpool to operate the YYZ and CPT flights and arrived back from Cape Town this morning and as far as I am aware has gone back again and should return Wednesday morning

G-I-B

[breagh01]

Jethro that's a lot of info but I won't hold my breath as it will no doubt change by next week again. :)

[diesel36]

G-CEFG is indeed on the CPT, it arrives back this evening about 19.45

GSM are not having those 2 excel 757,s

2 are coming from icelandair and the other 2 i hear are from EL AL

yes G-CDPT will be going to mumbai , gsm flight deck and crew are going in batches on 17 day secondments, mumbai to kul/hkg/bkk

and recently the LPL/JFK was offering on the website 50" sleeper seats

so is that going on a 767.. ? cant find answer to that

and while the 767 is away 6 sfb from gla will go on the 737-800:eek:

[Vuelo]

Surely MAN will gt some more services to make GM's investment worthwhile? I assume CPT won;t run in the summer months?

[point5]

Where about did it say about 50" on the Liverpool flights? I have been keeping tabs on this flight as am looking to book next August. Anyone have an thoughts or personal reviews on travelling business class from a recent flight with GSM. Various other websites speak quite highly of the service.

Thanks.

[Flightrider]

Air-India lease is indeed taking place until the end of April but the aircraft is not coming back to the UK on Saturdays. The Glasgow-Sanford on Saturdays will be operated by a 737-800 with tech stop at Bangor...

[jethro15]

OK, I conceed defeat. It appears I have been fed duff info from flyglobespan. My last posting removed.

jethro

[fokkerplod]

was under the impression that the contract was for 12months, but to be reviewed after 6 months.

:rolleyes:

[Man_User]

while the 767 is away 6 sfb from gla will go on the 737-800:eek:

This could be true, as the route atm is GLA-BFS-SFB and back again. Although PT is operating the route.

Flighterider, does this mean there will be just the 1 767 to do the man routes on FRI, SAT and MON? If so when does the Air India lease start?

All seems a bit strange as they have only just got G-CEFG, although they must know what they are doing, or they wouldn't order 2 787's. :8

[Tommyinyork]

Someone tell me what is operating the MAN-YYZ in Jan then.
Why dont GSM wet-lease a 757 this winter ?

[Jet_stream]

The 767 will be fding GLA/BFS- SFB, MAN - CPT and YYZ with the 738 covering GLA - SFB on Saturdays until the next 767 arrives early next year.

[bing5376]

I recently heard that Globespan were going to go back into prestwick big time for summer 07. Can anyone confirm this. I know that the globespan guys have been training at prestwick the last couple of days, and this rumour is well known to the staff at prestwick.

Any ideas, real or rubbish????:ooh:

[Tommyinyork]

So G-CEFG will be on the MAN-YYZ service. Also has this had a cabin refurb and does anyone have cabin shots.

[GW76]

I recently heard that Globespan were going to go back into prestwick big time for summer 07. Can anyone confirm this. I know that the globespan guys have been training at prestwick the last couple of days, and this rumour is well known to the staff at prestwick.

Any ideas, real or rubbish????:ooh:
.......Rubbish. If they do, they can watch their passenger numbers plummet.:rolleyes:

[james170969]

I recently heard that Globespan were going to go back into prestwick big time for summer 07. Can anyone confirm this. I know that the globespan guys have been training at prestwick the last couple of days, and this rumour is well known to the staff at prestwick.

Any ideas, real or rubbish????:ooh:

It would be great if this was true but I have my doubts. Easyjet and British Airways train pilots at Prestwick but I'm sure they won't be moving there. Even if Flyglobespan decided to move back to Prestwick would there be enough capacity at the airport not only for 2007 but for future expansion?

[1_4_the_road]

Possibly because prestwick might be a cheap airport to do its Touch and Goes...:)

[RMC]

Vuelo - I have applied to GSM and understand all pilots are dual Manchester / Liverpool based. So in answer to your question you can expect more GSM activity from Manch ... using the LPL based 757 and / or the 737.

[dwlpl]

Vuelo - I have applied to GSM and understand all pilots are dual Manchester / Liverpool based. So in answer to your question you can expect more GSM activity from Manch ... using the LPL based 757 and / or the 737.

Or, on the other hand, more from flyGlobespan out of Liverpool.

[Man_User]

Ive been told that during the summer the MAN-YYZ-MAN will be operted on a 757 with the same 3 class (but less seats :) ) config. Not sure it will work but we shall see ;)

[nivsy]

Any further news of the delayed flight from Lanzarote to Edinburgh end of last week? The Scotsman and the Edinburgh Evening News have made the most of it - where allegedy the flight crew called their aircraft "a heap of rubbish" and "very limited" - the old SAS B737 600 then?? The papers of the 18th have all the "detail"

[Joe Curry]

Anyone know if GSM intend to fly EDI-SFB anytime soon?

[webby1919]

I don't think EDI will see any longhaul expansion except for the weekly YHM flight until at least S08 now. They seem to be focussing their efforts on GLA and MAN for LH for S07.

[webby1919]

Flyglobespan lands top industry award
CAPITAL-BASED no-frills airline Flyglobespan has scooped a top industry award to mark its business success.

The firm, which launched four years ago and has its main offices in Colinton, was handed the President's Award at the Scottish Council for Development and Industry (SCDI) awards.

Flyglobespan, headed by chairman Tom Dalrymple, was lauded for its strong growth to more than 650 employees and a fleet of 21 aircraft.

Mr Dalrymple said: "The outstanding success of Flyglobespan is due to the commitment and effort of the whole team who make up this great airline. As the mere conductor of this fine orchestra I am delighted to accept this award on their behalf, and at the same time publicly acknowledge my sincere and personal appreciation of their efforts."

City-based biotechnology firm Lux was also praised for its work boosting Scotland's reputation as a pioneer in life sciences, research and product development.

The company, which currently markets and develops a range of products including laboratory and diagnostic reagents, water contamination monitors, and calibration devices, is expanding its technology portfolio and expects to launch further products in 2007.

[GoEDI]

Anyone know if GSM intend to fly EDI-SFB anytime soon?

Not until summer 08 at the earliest. Seems they are concentrating their long haul expansion on GLA and their shorthaul expansion in EDI just now with regards to Scotland.

[GW76]

Anyone know if GSM intend to fly EDI-SFB anytime soon?
Youd think if there was local demand someone would have maintained a Florida service over the years. I think there was a short Travel City service and even it was axed.:confused:

[CLIPPER 33]

Can anybody advise why these flights are showing via SNN in both directions? It doesnt seem to make sence as the aircraft is flying YHM SNN DUB on a Thur and then DUB SNN YHM on Fri. Why not operate YHM DUB SNN YHM as other operators do?

[smith]

GLA-SFB in a 737? What a slog, I take it there will be no IFE unless of course the stewardesses do a pole dance.

[point5]

Hi all! Booked myself onto the LPL-JFK flight next August. Website says you can pre-book your seats up to 2 days before the flight, but cannot do it on-line yet. Anyone else found this for the LPL flights? Is this because they are unsure what equipment will be used on the service?

Cheers!

P5

[Joe Curry]

Youd think if there was local demand someone would have maintained a Florida service over the years. I think there was a short Travel City service and even it was axed.:confused:

'Axed'?:ugh: Transferred to Abbotsinch in order maximise
capacity?:=

[Joe Curry]

Not until summer 08 at the earliest. Seems they are concentrating their long haul expansion on GLA and their shorthaul expansion in EDI just now with regards to Scotland.

Categorising? Surely not?:sad:

[GW76]

'Axed'?:ugh: Transferred to Abbotsinch in order maximise
capacity?:=
Im always fascinated to why spotters are privvie to such information. I suspect speculation rather than fact. Perhaps you can enlighten us.....:confused:

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

The truth is most spotters either work at the airport or know the right people to talk to in the pub

G-I-B

[Joe Curry]

Im always fascinated to why spotters are privvie to such information. I suspect speculation rather than fact. Perhaps you can enlighten us.....:confused:

Perhaps you can enlighten us about Travel City axing EDI-SFB?

'Spotters'? If you are referring to me, I have never written an aircraft number down in my life. 'Privvie' information?
Perhaps I should stop reading alt.airports.uk.glasgow:ouch: :rolleyes:

[GW76]

Perhaps you can enlighten us about Travel City axing EDI-SFB?
Dropped, suspended,ditched, not returning next year....all mean axed in my book, dont know how you would describe a service which no longer operates regardless of reason.:ugh:
Whats the definition of a spotter ....(must they all write aircraft numbers down) ?
I think not.

[Joe Curry]

You said 'axed'. I can't remember any annoucement from Travel City.

Must all 'Spotters' write down aircraft numbers? They wouldn't be 'Spotters' then?.

Now if you are talking aircraft photography. I'm guilty.

http://www1.airpics.com/showimg.php?imgid=47859

FWIW there were over 100,000 'spotters' dotted around EDI the day I took the pic.

[metalboymike]

new to this forum,

But I am after any information on the the new Liverpool-JFK flight that might operate via knock. I'd appreciate it if someone would shine some light on this.

thanks.

[PPRuNe Pop]

NOTE:

If you want to discuss SPOTTER topics then go to the forum designed for that. Keep to the current topic or posts will get deleted and so might you.

We are getting a tad fed-up with tackling these silly jibes and off track chat.

Please do it or the mighty will strike. Got it? := :=

[afterdark]

I believe the first Glasgow to Sanford flight on a 737-800W is due back in Glasgow this morning, I wonder what the passengers thought of the aircraft swap via St Johns

Airline Flyglobespan
Flight Number 726
Departure City (Airport) St. John's, NL, Canada (YYT)
Departure Time 11/26/2006 12:45 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Glasgow, Scotland, Great Britain (EGPF)
Arrival Time 11/26/2006 08:24 AM
Remaining Flight Time 04:09 (planned)
Aircraft Type Boeing 737-800
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned

Is this the first time a 737 has flown UK to Florida in a standard scheduled 737 pax config ?

[SWBKCB]

No, GSM did MAN-SFB with a 738 a couple of weeks ago - see post 116.

[gavin360]

[quote=SWBKCB;2986517]No, GSM did MAN-SFB with a 738 a couple of weeks ago - see post 116.[/quot has anyone gone biz class bfs-sfb and is it only the sat service that they are messing about with???

[dwlpl]

Looks as though flyGlobespan has applied for permission from the US DOT to route three flights per week on the daily Liverpool/JFK route (starting next May) via Knock.

FlyGlobespan has also applied to route three flights per week on the Glasgow/Boston route via Knock as well.

[dwlpl]

More from the application, the Liverpool/JFK service will drop to two per week during the winter period.

[jethrotull]

How long is the wet-lease contract with AI ? As per sources in AI its believed to be for 2yrs, but the word at GLA is its for 6mnths, much appreciate info on the period of contract.

Cheers.

[johnrizzo2000]

Gla to Boston via Knock, and LPL to JFK via Knock sounds like hell!!!!! At least if they routed thru shannon, pax could pre-clear immigration!

[Charlie Roy]

Gla to Boston via Knock, and LPL to JFK via Knock sounds like hell!!!!! At least if they routed thru shannon, pax could pre-clear immigration!

For the people of Knock airport and in the Knock airport catchment area it sounds like heaven :}

[metalboymike]

Ya Im excited with this developement, If it happend it will be a sucess, if people can avoid dublin to go to the US they will.

I'd imagine the turn around for the flight would be very quick,

My only worry is the shannon stopover, ant ideas how this will affect things?

[en2r]

This is great news, but wouldn't it have made more economic sense to route it through Cork, which has a significantly larger catchment area. As far as I know the Shannon stopover only applies to flights to Dublin. There must be one flight to Shannon for every flight to Dublin.

[Charlie Roy]

I'd imagine the turn around for the flight would be very quick

I'm not convinced. The passengers LPL-NOC have to disembark and their luggage offloaded before the NOC-USA passengers can begin boarding.

[johnrizzo2000]

I'm not sure they have route-authority to fly pax ex knock! I know that with the current bilateral, airline wont fly ex Cork, cause they have to go thru shannon!

[SFBOps]

GSM never made a flight from MAN to SFB. Yesterday was the first 738 flight made into SFB by GSM. Great aircraft, but in 189Y, thats a long flight, especially with a stop in CYYT.

[Eff Oh]

AI contract is for 2 years, renewable by either party after 6 months I believe.

[SWBKCB]

GSM never made a flight from MAN to SFB. Yesterday was the first 738 flight made into SFB by GSM. Great aircraft, but in 189Y, thats a long flight, especially with a stop in CYYT.

Apologies - the flight I was thinking of ex MAN was to Toronto, Not Florida. Oops...

[jethrotull]

AI contract is for 2 years, renewable by either party after 6 months I believe.

Thanks for the info, few additional Q. Without being pedantic since this a/c has joined AI in late Nov'06 and the contract is upto Mar'07 this is less than 6 mnths. What is the possibility flyglobespan extending the contract ? or is this purely a stop gap arrangement before the summer schedule, i believe flyglobespan is recieving another B767, is that a replacement for G-CDPT ?

[metalboymike]

Charlie Roy, I recently flew JFK-SNN via dublin with delta, when we landed in dublin pax going on to Shannon were not allowed off the a/c.We were on the ground for less than an hour and went on to SNN.

i was thinkingout how they could get around the shannon stopover and why they could skip it.
The flight might be marketed as a charter, this was done at cork before.
The flight originates from the UK.
To fufill the agreement GSM are flying DUB/SNN- YYZ.

[Eff Oh]

Dunno sorry.

[goldeneye]

Ive just been looking at the flight schedules on Edinburgh and Stansted airports website, and they are listing the Hamilton flights to be operated by a Boeing 767-300, Glasgow is listed as a Boeing 757. Can anyone shed anylight on this.

[runawayedge]

Well metal have to hand it to you....for a student you're certainly in the know when it comes to the latest and greatest from the NOC camp! While it is very positive news I wonder is it last chance saloon. Both positioning routes (GLA & LPL) have been operated from NOC before, GLA pulled only weeks after commencing and LPL on the back of the PSO was thin. Some questions, do the other carriers operating transatlantic from Ireland have any say in this application? What view will the market take on the ease of pre clearing US immigration, because to succeed it will need to take traffic from Shannon? There are major issues surrounding the billateral currently (national issues, election issues) so will the Irish Department of Transport be enamoured by the application, and a new entrant in the oceanic market to further muddy the water, or view it as an unwelcome headache? Best of luck to all, interesting times ahead!

[Man_User]

MANCHESTER
Toronto until the 30 of april will be yyz then 1st of may will be yhm, on 767-300 atm, been told it will change to 757, but not sure when. 1 flight a week at the moment.

Cape town is 2 flights a week on 767-300 not sure of any alt a/c for this as its a 12 hour flight with full full tanks as it is.

No SFB planned out of man as yet.

Calgary also 1 flight a week, also 767-300 but again not sure of alt A/C as none stop is almost the same as CPT.

Vcouver 2 flights a week, again 767-300 to op.

Cape town in the summer, not sure, im guessing see how the winter goes and then look at the bookings.

Too answer a question you may have, GSM have 2 more 767-300 coming to them for the summer season.

[metalboymike]

Hey runawayedge, yep exciting times for NOC but I'll agree LPL wasn't the best of routes from NOC, GLA could be. BMI were just the wrong airline.I was surprise that logan didn't try it when they had the chance.
I wouldn't be surprised if SNN or even ORK but in on the the US flights from NOC.
No other news around here busy with the Leaving, except I'd imagine NOC are waiting the money from the EU.

:ok: :ok:

[BYALPHAINDIA]

GSM are getting 757's next year, They have being advertising for TR pilots recently.

Regards.:)

[afterdark]

I was looking at BAA Glasgow website and came accross this for flights to SFB from Glasgow
03-Apr - 2 - - - - - 09:00 15:25 GSM725 763 Non-Stop 11:25 hrs.
29-Mar - 2 - 4 - 6 - 09:30 13:30 GSM725 738 Non-Stop 9:00 hrs.
05-Apr
26-May - - - 4 - 6 - 09:30 13:30 GSM725 738 Non-Stop 9:00 hrs.
27-May 1 -3 4 5 6 7 09:30 13:30 GSM725 738 Non-Stop 9:00 hrs.
either it seems that BAA have got it totally wrong.not just the fact that 738 can't fly GLA - SFB non stop, or GSM are going to use the 738 more on this route

[Man_User]

Unless they are putting fuel tanks in the removing seats, then no the 737-800 would take a dipp in the pond. :):rolleyes:

[scotsunflyer]

afterdark

Think the BAA website is wrong.

The flights arriving SFB at 1525 will be 738. The ones arriving at 1330 will be 763.

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

Man_User are you saying that Globespan will never use aB73 800 on the ocean?
because the first MAN-YYZ was on one, don`t know if it went non stop though

G-I-B

[scotsunflyer]

GOLF-INDIA BRAVO

And also several GLA-SFB have already operated by the B738.

[diesel36]

Scotsunflyer

get your facts correct before posting.

Yes the first yyz went on the 737 from man due late a/c

could happen to anyone

how many SFB from GLA have gone on the 737-800

ANSWER..... 1... last saturday was the first

so where you get several from i dont know. do you work for GSM

NO I DIDNT THINK SO...:ugh: :ugh: :rolleyes:

[webby1919]

I think there'll be 6 flights in total operating the SFB flights with B738s over Winter 06. This is to cover shortage of A/C because of the Air-India Contract. Back to B763ER for S07 though.

[gavin360]

just went bfs-sfb on 767-300 had a good talk with the crew and they said it was a mess on the 737 so hopefully they get it sorted soon !!!!
but 10 outa 10 for my flight on wed went biz class and it was better than a lot of the american companys i use so wel done to them.:)

[Jet_stream]

Hey gavin360

I'm sure i was chatting to you in the front galley on that flight, glad you enjoyed the trip and sure to see you again.

[gavin360]

you will see me 4 sure i am booked for end of jan ,may, and sept thanks again for the great service!!

[scotsunflyer]

Scotsunflyer

get your facts correct before posting.

Yes the first yyz went on the 737 from man due late a/c

could happen to anyone

how many SFB from GLA have gone on the 737-800

ANSWER..... 1... last saturday was the first

so where you get several from i dont know. do you work for GSM

NO I DIDNT THINK SO...:ugh: :ugh: :rolleyes:


diesel36, you are right, I don't work for GSM.

Well if I have been fed the wrong info from a friend who works in operations AT GLA, then apologises. He told me that 2 had operated, from the beginning of November. Add that to the one on Saturday - makes 3.
Don't know if that figure he quoted of 2 is including the YYZ.

Anyway not going to get into a slanging match, but a polite reply if someone gets something wrong is all that is needed. Everyone makes mistakes, even you.

Anyway enough.

I ain't slating GSM, for operating a B738 across the pond. At least they have improved flights from Scottish Airports to various destination, over the years where others haven't.
The only thing I hate about GSM, is the constant changing of times. That ain't a major problem, but trying to book a holiday/flight to work around personnel schedules is annoying.

[Man_User]

Man_User are you saying that Globespan will never use aB73 800 on the ocean?
because the first MAN-YYZ was on one, don`t know if it went non stop though
Nope that fuel stopped in Iceland ... :p

IM guessing the GLA-SFB on 737-800 fuel stops somewhere as well, BFS?

[alosaurus]

Just got my start date with GSM (737 LPL / MAN base) anyone got any info they can share as to routes other than the Liverpool-Tenerife. These don't appear in the Summer schedule so am interested to know likely destinations.Anything likely out of MAN? Cheers.

[Jet_stream]

Just to clarify. The GLA - BFS - SFB operates on 763 and on Saturdays for the next few weeks GLA - SFB operates on 738 and has a tech stop in Saint John's NL o/b and i/b.

[point5]

LPL-TFS is the only route until S07. Hopefully Prague will be reinstated once the runway closures have passed.

[RMC]

Pax on this aircraft said they had twice been to Tenerife from LPL via STN...is this normal (doesn't look like you have time to do that from the website timetable)?

[point5]

Flight ops LPL-STN-TFS-STN-LPL daily until 21st Dec when will be direct from/to Liverpool.

[Jamesie]

Just got an e-mail from flyglobespan telling me my flight to Malaga is no longer EDI-Malaga and will stop off at Glasgow enroute!!

This I find unbelieveable - how on earth can it be cost efficient to take a 737 up and down when the airports are at max 60 miles apart as the crow flies?!
Surely cheaper to bus passengers along the M8?!

Is this precedented? I remember Concorde flew EDI-GLA on exhibition a few years ago but never since have I heard of such a ridiculous journey.

[shortm]

I'm fairly certain I used to operate a flight which was AMS-GLA-EDI-AMS for KLMuk in the 1990s.

[chrism20]

Jamesie

Have a look on the BAA website for either EDI or GLA arrivals & departures over next 4 or 5 days, you will find Globespan do this on a very regular basis, even more so it would seem over the last few weeks - either a sign of cost effectiveness or poor loads.
I will leave the last comment down to a few more 'professional in the know' individuals than me

[dwlpl]

Folks there will be a GSM service to EWR from LPL on a 757 once it arrives from Icelandair

Que?

Is this as well as JFK?

[goldeneye]

Que?
Is this as well as JFK?
No the NY flight from Liverpool was launched as flying to Newark EWR but was switched to JFK.

[dwlpl]

No the NY flight from Liverpool was launched as flying to Newark EWR but was switched to JFK.
Yes I know, I posted it here, which is why I said 'as well as JFK?'.

But what I want to know is what 'W Cdr Gibson' is on about bearing mind the EWR route was announced nearly six months ago.

[point5]

The JFK flight is now bookable, daily throughout 2007 into Jan '08!
Merry Christmas

P5

[breagh01]

Just got an e-mail from flyglobespan telling me my flight to Malaga is no longer EDI-Malaga and will stop off at Glasgow enroute!!
This I find unbelieveable - how on earth can it be cost efficient to take a 737 up and down when the airports are at max 60 miles apart as the crow flies?!
Surely cheaper to bus passengers along the M8?!
Is this precedented? I remember Concorde flew EDI-GLA on exhibition a few years ago but never since have I heard of such a ridiculous journey.
Cost efficient??
Globespan is spending about £6000 a month on taxi fares getting crew back and forth from EDI and GLA.
Just on another note the new seat pitch on the 600's is ridiculous. pax are complaining left right and centre about the fact you only have 28 inch seat pitch one side and 29 the other. The forward left windshield galley was removed and seats shuffled on the right to allow an extra six seats to be put in.
Fair enough it gets the cabin from 125 to 131 but at what cost?
Already PAX are saying "I'm not flying with this lot again". recent flights i noticed were 128 pax etc so not all the six installed are getting used and the cost of doing this change must have been huge.:ugh:
Perhaps they should remove the seats and have standing room only or convert one of the cargo holds :E

[boygeorgefan]

I notice the GSM101 MAN-YYZ flight time has changed from 1300 to 1345 arriving now 1715 instead of 1625 at YYZ.
Has this involved a change of a/c or is the 767 still on these ops.

[chrism20]

Cost efficient??
pax are complaining left right and centre about the fact you only have 28 inch seat pitch one side and 29 the other. The forward left windshield galley was removed and seats shuffled on the right to allow an extra six seats to be put in.

Ouch

That would be just about bearable for a quick hop down to London, but further afield must be hell, especially if you are of any height or shape :{

[jethro15]

STN-YHM is on a wet leased B757-200 from Icelandair
Two B757's wet leased from Loftleidir/Icelandair. Two further a/c to be sourced from elsewhere. Anyone able to confirm this latest plan?

[webby1919]

Sounds about right - the 2 B757s will initially come from Icelandair as wetlease, and the other 2 will follow soon after, not sure where from though.

[point5]

Anyone in the know able to comment on the B738 currently based at Liverpool. With no summer schedule released for this aircraft, is the TFS service to be shelved or are they still finalising the summer schedule?

Thanks

P5

[pdg75]

point5

Could be moving to MAN from what I hear. They are fed-up with being last in the queue at LPL.

[dwlpl]

In the queue for what?

There is a company selling holidays using a (yet to be announced) flyGlobespan flight from Liverpool to Prague in the summer.

[point5]

There is no queue at 10.10 when their one and only flight departs!

[jethrotull]

How long is the B767 wet leased to Air-India, i hear rumours of 1yr - 2yrs ?

[GW76]

jethrotull

Plan was for 6 months initially. 3rd GSM 767 due summer. AI have their own new aircraft expected also.

[fokkerplod]

Hi Jethrotull,
have it on good authority that the lease is going for the full year.
Dont know how this will affect summer 07 programme, but also heard a wet leased b767 will op. the vancouver service.

[captaintrigger]

Finally Globespan has launched a New route from STN to Larnaca in Cyprus!

Starting April 01 with a Twice weekly flight then from May it goes to 6 days per week.

The LCA will operate everyday except Wednesday night when rumour has it an Athens service will be added

Summer 2007 - STN

1x B737-800 - TFS Daily, LCA nightly except Wed when it will operate ATH
1x B757-200 - Toronto Hamilton Daily via a Different Regional UK airport everyday.

CT

[jongeman]

Is this another example of Flyglobespan over-expanding? 6 flights weekly to LCA seems ambitious at the same time as ZB announce LTN - LCA 3 or 4 times weekly from 26th March.

[GW76]

Finally Globespan has launched a New route from STN to Larnaca in Cyprus!
Starting April 01 with a Twice weekly flight then from May it goes to 6 days per week.
The LCA will operate everyday except Wednesday night when rumour has it an Athens service will be added
Summer 2007 - STN
1x B737-800 - TFS Daily, LCA nightly except Wed when it will operate ATH
1x B757-200 - Toronto Hamilton Daily via a Different Regional UK airport everyday.
CT
Hold on for some delays with that tight schedule. LCA will do well regardless of LTN

[mathers_wales_uk]

hi there, i wonder if anyone could help me.

I was dispatching an Aer Arann at CWL today and was chatting to the Captain about flybe ariving in the summer operating Cardiff - Belfast City.

He mentioned that fly globespan maybe operating from CWL in the summer, does anyone know if this is true or not?

Many thanks

:ok:


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