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candoo
28th Sep 2006, 15:44
Couldn't think which forum to put this in so I'll subject it to some JB treatment.

Was given an interesting breakdown of costs involved when flying planes commercially, carrying passengers, today. It was a bit broad and sweeping in that it lumped together both wide bodies and narrow bodies and long haul and short haul, figures are averaged out basically.

Who can fill in the blanks?

Top of the shop at 36% of operating costs is __________
A mere 24% comes next comprised of __________
The last significant figure is 13% and this is _________

No prizes, just for fun, and I'll post the correct answers when I feel like it!

BTW blanks above do not indicate required length of answer for the pedants out there!

Big Tudor
28th Sep 2006, 15:54
Ok, I'll have a bash since no-one else wants to.

1 - Handling, navigation, landing fees.
2 - Crew costs (salaries, etc)
3 - Fuel.

Do I get a prize? :p

candoo
28th Sep 2006, 15:57
Big Tudor

No!

The SSK
28th Sep 2006, 16:11
24% is fuel, for sure
13% could be maintenance & overhaul
36% - no individual cost category is that high, so maybe personnel costs?

candoo
28th Sep 2006, 16:39
Maybe a couple of pointers required.

Big Tudor we are still talking industry norms so there is a division between cabin and cockpit crew, unfortunately.

SSK no, fuel is not 24%.

For substance these facts were given by senior peeps working for both CFM and IAE (engine manufacturers) at a conference earlier today!

McAero
28th Sep 2006, 17:23
Top of the shop at 36% of operating costs is __________
A mere 24% comes next comprised of __________
The last significant figure is 13% and this is _________

Fuel
Landing fees, other tax?
Government money

I dunno......too bloomin' expensive to fly these days anyway.

Ozzy
28th Sep 2006, 17:26
Top of the shop at 36% of operating costs is SALARIES
A mere 24% comes next comprised of DRINKS TROLLIES STOCK
The last significant figure is 13% and this is FUEL

Ozzy

Chesty Morgan
28th Sep 2006, 17:32
Top of the shop at 36% of operating costs is __________Funding the lavish lifestyle of the CEO and increasing the balance of his Caymen Island account.

A mere 24% comes next comprised of __________Compensation 'cause we're always late or bust.

The last significant figure is 13% and this is _________Crew salaries...oh sorry I thought it said 1.3%...ummm...spare parts.

tiggerific_69
28th Sep 2006, 18:20
that only comes to 73% so what does the other 27% cover?? :ugh: :ugh:

candoo
28th Sep 2006, 20:37
Ok, Ok was a bit of an unfair question.

36% - fuel

24% - cockpit crew

13% - cabin crew

The other percentages are made up by such things as maintenance, landing fees, depreciation............... all single digit numbers.

ormus55
28th Sep 2006, 21:30
im sure easyjet spent more than a quid on fuel, for me, off my 3 quid ticket?

candoo
28th Sep 2006, 22:34
Ah but Ormus you forgot the factoring factor

candoo
28th Sep 2006, 23:43
I forgot to add at the very same conference Rolls Royce believe pilots will be superficial by 2030!

Unwell_Raptor
29th Sep 2006, 00:20
Most of the pilots I know are superficial, but none is superfluous.

candoo
29th Sep 2006, 09:27
Sorry was a Margaux fuelled post, of course I meant to say redundant.

The SSK
29th Sep 2006, 09:40
Ok, Ok was a bit of an unfair question.
36% - fuel
24% - cockpit crew
13% - cabin crew
The other percentages are made up by such things as maintenance, landing fees, depreciation............... all single digit numbers.
I've got some figures that are at least as good as yours...
Mix of narrow & wide body, short & long haul.
(and not just one airline, either)
Fuel 20%
Cockpit crew 8%
Cabin crew 7%
Maintenance & O'haul, Station & ground handling, Ticketing & selling costs, all are in double digits.
These are 2005 figures, in 2006 fuel is projected to rise to 24%.
Some discrepancies, methinks.
Of course the engine manufacturers have every interest in coming up with a fuel figure as high as possible.

candoo
29th Sep 2006, 09:45
SSK

You are absolutely right, of course spin these days is a requirement.

It would be interesting to see some truly independent figures but I struggle to think of an impartial, unbiased source.