NW44 Into Cwl

[Somedaymaybe]

Can anyone shed any light on why i was woken by a northwest DC10 departing from cardiff, this morning!

The details for the flight are below? was it a tech stop? or another reason?

09:00 NW44 MINNEAPOLIS EXPECTED 0855 South Terminal EGKK

it left cardiff at around 1125 23-09-2006

Cheers
SDM:ok:

[goshdarnit]

Having a lie-in were you?

[Somedaymaybe]

LOL yeah I earned it was working late last night!

SDM:ok:

[goshdarnit]

Good on ya.
I actually would be interested to hear why the plane was in CWL too, but your thread doesn't seem to be getting any takers....

[Scottie Dog]

Noticed EGKK/LGW had restrictions due Low Visibility this morning - flow control appears to have been cancelled at 0847. Presume this was the reason for the visit.

Also noted at EGCC/MAN were the 2 Maxjets 767s and EOS 757 which were EGSS/STN diverts.

[BAforever]

Diverted because of weather:ok:

Also see-

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245117

and

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3002746/

[Somedaymaybe]

excellent, thanks all for the info, always interesting to see out or the ordinary aircraft in at your local airport, right back to the baby boeing!:ok:

[BAforever]

Glad to help.:} ... :ok:

I wonder if LGW will become a A330 city soon?

BA:ok:

[WindSheer]

Glad you had a lie-in Someday!

Damn A321's!

[goshdarnit]

Would be interested to know whether the SLF were disembarked, or is it just a case of "sit and wait"? Has standard procedure in this situation changed in any way because of heightened security?

[Somedaymaybe]

cheers windsheer, dont know who's bright idea it was to put A321's at Base X recipe for disaster anyway bring on the good old B757!

Anyway back on topic, I am assuming that the pax remained on the aircraft, due to the delay to the flight, one would assume that this would not have allowed time for disemb and re-emb, plus i know for a fact that an aircraft of that size in terms of pax load would not be able to be accomodated at little old cardiff.

SDM:ok:

[flower]

, plus i know for a fact that an aircraft of that size in terms of pax load would not be able to be accomodated at little old cardiff.
SDM:ok:

So how do we cope with the B747s and A330s that we deal with every week ?? :hmm:

Wasn't working today so don't know if pax were disemebarked and bussed or not, sometimes they are sometimes not

[goshdarnit]

So how do we cope with the B747s and A330s that we deal with every week ??


This is CWL we are talking about, right flower ? I must've missed something, I think. SDM is talking about pax load, non-PAX 747's are OK at CWL, but not the passenger variety...

[Somedaymaybe]

Every Week? := :=

I thought the year consisted of 52 weeks? and we all know that the 747 and the 330's only touch down on welsh soil for the summer so lets say 20 weeks on average plus its not a daily flight its only a once a week thing, with the exception of course of our canadian friends zoom, but even when that comes in the terminal turns into chaos, and dont even get me started on the issues it causes with security!:ugh: :ugh:

There was a time when passengers parted for crew?

However least we now have the bonus of pretending to be a real airport with our new controlled airspace!:ok: :ok:

[barit1]

While working at PIK on Guy Fawkes day (about 1987) all the UK was badly socked in - all except PIK. I counted the widebodies parked on the ramp and taxiways--at least a dozen I'm sure, although the exact number escapes me.

No wonder PIK was such a popular stop for WWII transatlantic ferry and transport flights!

[flower]

This is CWL we are talking about, right flower ? I must've missed something, I think. SDM is talking about pax load, non-PAX 747's are OK at CWL, but not the passenger variety...

Yes we have both B747s and A330s with Pax on departing and arriving mainly to Florida in our schedules, and whilst the terminal may be small and definitely needs expansion we do handle them weekly, summer or winter makes no difference we can disembark pax when they weather divert or for some other reason.

[Captain Airclues]

I agree with flower. Several years ago I diverted a 747 into Cardiff with 350 passengers. It was the most efficiently handled diversion that I have ever experienced. Within a few minutes of our arrival, seven coaches appeared outside the terminal building (I've no idea where they found them at that time of the morning) and in a very short time our passengers were heading for the M4. The crew were made very welcome at a local hostelry as LHR was out for most of the day. I gather that some of the later arrivals took a bit longer, but fortunately I'd decided to go to CWL when over Ireland so I guess we got first call on the coaches.

Airclues

[goshdarnit]

Clearly I stand corrected; somebody has once told me that the runway at CWL was not long enough for a fully (pax) laden 747 to take-off..obviously this is not the case. I need to go to my local airport more often, clearly! :)

GDI

[Somedaymaybe]

A fully laden 747 with fuel for a transatlantic crossing, would not lift from cardiff its impossible looking at performance for all types i.e -200/3/400, this again has been proven as the Travelcity to orlando has to reguarly go via shannon or dublin? dont quote me on the irish tech stop airport as i am unsure of the correct location i am just aware its one of them?

The runway is long but not that long!

Can i just add as well, if cardiff is all the things mentioned, why is it that continental chose BRS over CWL to operate there newark as well as the new long haul services from BRS with FCA and not cwl, plus ryanair pulled out due to a disagreement with the bods at CWL, and that was there most promising future as O leary had mentioned a possible hub at CWL doh! oh and another thing every welsh airline that has ever started has ceased trading!

CWL will always loose out now to BRS, because BRS can offer more, not just in terms of flights but also pax convinience and the willing to invest in its airlines.

SDM:ok: :ok: :ok:

[BAforever]

A fully laden 747 with fuel for a transatlantic crossing, would not lift from cardiff its impossible looking at performance for all types i.e -200/3/400, this again has been proven as the Travelcity to orlando has to reguarly go via shannon or dublin? dont quote me on the irish tech stop airport as i am unsure of the correct location i am just aware its one of them?

The runway is long but not that long!


True, but it can take landings fully loaded quite easily. (Not forgetting this was a DC-10):ok:

Can i just add as well, if cardiff is all the things mentioned, why is it that continental chose BRS over CWL to operate there newark as well as the new long haul services from BRS with FCA and not cwl, plus ryanair pulled out due to a disagreement with the bods at CWL, and that was there most promising future as O leary had mentioned a possible hub at CWL doh! oh and another thing every welsh airline that has ever started has ceased trading!



Yes, but why isnt TOM offering a long-haul programme from BRS then?
Neither market is big enough for two big players. ( except maybe Orlando but both of them dont go their from the same airport). With CO I agree with you although why didnt they go to NCL? Longer runway, larger catchment area etc? Its because somtimes airlines dont always go for the right airports. But, then again in whos opinion is the right airport?:ok:

Oh and um, WHO THE HELL WOULD WANT CWL TO BE A RYANAIR SERVICE, JUST TO SUCK THE BLOOD FROM OTHER CARRIERS. I MEAN COME ON, THEIR CRAP!!!!!!:ok: :} :ok:

BA

[flower]

Somedaymaybe,
I think you do not know as much as you claim to do. Travelcitydirect has rarely done a tech stop for fuel but flies direct. The runway is ample long enough for the traffic to depart fully laden
If it did a tech stop why then do we clear it all the way to Orlando, same as the Monarch and never receive an en route diversion message, because it doesn't happen.
BTW I would know as I am in the Tower not claiming to be in the LH or RH seat

[JW411]

Northwest do not operate DC10-10s. They have only ever operated the DC-10-40 and the DC-10-30.

The DC-10-40s are already in the desert and the DC-10-30s are just about to follow.

[Phileas Fogg]

A fully laden 747 with fuel for a transatlantic crossing, would not lift from cardiff its impossible looking at performance for all types i.e -200/3/400, this again has been proven as the Travelcity to orlando has to reguarly go via shannon or dublin? dont quote me on the irish tech stop airport as i am unsure of the correct location i am just aware its one of them?
The runway is long but not that long!
Can i just add as well, if cardiff is all the things mentioned, why is it that continental chose BRS over CWL to operate there newark as well as the new long haul services from BRS with FCA and not cwl, plus ryanair pulled out due to a disagreement with the bods at CWL, and that was there most promising future as O leary had mentioned a possible hub at CWL doh! oh and another thing every welsh airline that has ever started has ceased trading!
CWL will always loose out now to BRS, because BRS can offer more, not just in terms of flights but also pax convinience and the willing to invest in its airlines.
SDM:ok: :ok: :ok:

I remember the days of Paramount with their MD80 thingies, so often they had to drop into CWL en-route to the Canaries because the runway at BRS wasn't long enough to take fuel and passengers, one or the other but not both at the same time.

CWL serves the purpose for it's catchment area, BRS has got nothing, absolutely nothing, to shout about with their damn short runway stuck up there on top of the hill and much of the time in cloud.

B747's, A330's, DC10's etc in & out of CWL, well compare CWL's runway performance to that of Lulsgate National :)

[BAforever]

Northwest do not operate DC10-10s. They have only ever operated the DC-10-40 and the DC-10-30.

The DC-10-40s are already in the desert and the DC-10-30s are just about to follow.


Im sorrry where did you see DC-10-10. The plane was a DC-10-30:confused: Yes, LGW will be a A330 city in three weeks time.:ok:

[JW411]

I do apologise - I mis-read your posting.

[BAforever]

That fine, but it will be sad that a few more of those wonderful birds will be out of the sky:{

[Somedaymaybe]

Oh and um, WHO THE HELL WOULD WANT CWL TO BE A RYANAIR SERVICE, JUST TO SUCK THE BLOOD FROM OTHER CARRIERS. I MEAN COME ON, THEIR CRAP!!!!!!:ok: :} :ok:



Now thats a Fair Point and i for one am a fan of BMIbaby. :D :D :D

[BAforever]

Now thats a Fair Point and i for one am a fan of BMIbaby. :D :D :D

Yes, me to, but if only they'd expand their operations at CWL!!!!:ok: