Aeronautical Engineering course

[Futureng]

hi aLL...:)
I am a student who is going to university of salford in september for Aeronautical engineering course. I don't have a good mathematics or mechanics but I have strong self confidence to success.That what I am beLiving. Is mathematics painful for this type of student? I will glad to hear your opinions and how were you successful on this course. Also I have some terms need to have little information about such as: Mechanical Systems; Mechanical Science;Fluid Mechanics;Engineering Methodology;Aerodynamics;Aerofluid Dynamics. and Information Technology(So much to learn) On the other hand what is the difference between aircraft engineering and aeronautical engineering?

[gconatyuk]

I was a student on an aerospace engineering course a couple of years ago and as far as your question about mathematics goes i found that these types of courses are usually designed with the idea that you already have a solid knowledge of mathematics and physics or at least a basic knowledge. Im not saying you cant succeed but in my experience those who were not particularly strong at mathematics and physics were left behind and ended up either dropping out of the course early or hanging on until the end and failing.

As i said im not saying that the above applies to you but it certainly helps if you have a basic knowledge of these kind of academic areas. You will most likely be on the course with those who have studied mathematics and physics at A level to a high standard.

Best of luck whatever you decide

[Futureng]

Thank you For your repLy.

[jonnyvtec]

Aerospace Engineering WILL require a good soild understanding of maths and physics for you to grasp the core math type modules like any other engineering subject. The static analysis and aerodynamics stuff can also get pretty heavy with equations and derivations from first principles.

Never seen aircraft engineering at a uni, but i imagine any course is more of a maintainance role as a technician.

[Futureng]

I don't mean ı know nothing by saying "bad mathematics" I have mathematical background I have gce's and AS Level mathematics.But its not perfect for example I need to think a lot on a problem.That's what I am worried about.

[Genghis the Engineer]

hi aLL...:)
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=#4169e1]I am a student who is going to university of salford in september for Aeronautical engineering course. I don't have a good mathematics or mechanics but I have strong self confidence to success.That what I am beLiving. Is mathematics painful for this type of student? I will glad to hear your opinions and how were you successful on this course. Also I have some terms need to have little information about such as:

Firstly, good luck. Secondly...

Mechanical Systems

How machines work

Mechanical Science

The application of Newtonian mechanics to the interaction of physical objects.

Fluid Mechanics
How to measure and predict the behaviour of fluids (gasses and liquids) as they flow through and around objects (most of this will be either inside pipes or around wings).

Engineering Methodology
Learning how to solve engineering problems - either finding out what's wrong with things, determining what a problem really is, or designing things.

Aerodynamics
Fluid mechanics as applied to air flowing around bits of aeroplane.

Aerofluid Dynamics
Probably just advanced aerodynamics.

Information Technology
How to use computers in your work.

On the other hand what is the difference between aircraft engineering and aeronautical engineering?

Just what somebody decided to call their particular course, although most usually the first term applies to maintenance and operations, and the second to design / build / test.



As to your other questions, if memory serves that course is run by Thurai Rahulan - great chap, excellent aeronautical engineer, pushes his students very hard by reputation. Expect to work harder than you thought possible, learn more than you thought there was to know, graduate realising that there's still huge amounts you don't know - and yes you'll have a great time.

And yes, maths will be an issue. If you do nothing between now and then, brush up your A-level maths, it'll help a lot. Don't worry unduly about the physics, the emphasis will be quite different and so long as you've covered mechanics in your maths and are 100% up to speed on Newtons laws, that's the main physics you'll need.

G

[Futureng]

FirstLy thanks for your help. It is really helpfull to me.Now i know some terms before going there =) I used to see one thread where asked questions similar to mine. You suggest a book for him written by stroud. Now I am looking around to find it. Can you suggest me a way to be succesfull instead of studying? what else can I do? Also do you know some sources that I utilize about Aeronautical eng.?

[HEMAVPAN]

In my opinion, aircraft maintenance is a better option--rest is upto you to decide. best of luck!

[Genghis the Engineer]

FirstLy thanks for your help. It is really helpfull to me.Now i know some terms before going there =) I used to see one thread where asked questions similar to mine. You suggest a book for him written by stroud. Now I am looking around to find it. Can you suggest me a way to be succesfull instead of studying? what else can I do? Also do you know some sources that I utilize about Aeronautical eng.?

I'd suggest doing two things before you go:

(1) Make sure that your maths is up to scratch; Engineering Mathematics by Stroud is an excellent book to do this with.

(2) Spend a bit of time learning your way around aeroplanes - parts, types, etc - a few days at some good aeroplane museums should do that.

Don't worry unduly about coming up to speed with aero-eng before you arrive - that is after-all what they'll be teaching you.

G

[Futureng]

I guess we will make a revesion during foundation year. But aLso we will see the courses that I wrote.Rarely I found web sites about these courses trying to get some foreknowledge. Is it just theoretic or we will do some lab works during foundation? and I aLso wonder that if we'll be free to use flight simulator.

[sgbengineer]

Orate bruv, doing same course! What date do you start? Where are you from? :ok:

[Futureng]

hi m8.=) its 25th of september. I m from cyprus. aRe we goin to same school?

[sgbengineer]

Yes we are going to the same uni, but u mentioned that you are doing a foundation year. If that is the case then i won't be in the same lectures as i am not studying a foundation year. Catch you around anyway! :ok:

[Futureng]

Anyway I'm so Lucky. By Chance I found this forum and ask questions which confused me then I met someone who is going to same university with me. I should do foundation year it will be good for me. Have you ever done something for Aeronautical engineering?

[McAero]

I finished an Avionics degree last year (half aeronautical and half EEE). We did Engineering Maths 1st,2nd and 3rd year. I used a booked called "Engineering Mathematics" by Croft (3rd edition), published by Prentice Hall and it was highly beneficial. You'll find that your lecturers will use references to a book so it's best to see what they recommend before splashing out the £40-£60 before the course....

Best of Luck! :ok:

[Futureng]

Thnx for your advice. I heard this book. I think it is the best seller in amazon maths books. I think I dont need it for foundation year but I'll buy it for 1st year. It'll be good to have lecturers book :P

[roman757nose]

Hi, I wish you the best of luck because Salford has excellent connections with the Royal Aeronautical Society (RAeS) - plus an excellent employment rate for the Pure AeroEng course. Stick to that.

All the staff are approachable and friendly: May I at this point credit Dr Y Noguchi for the RAeS contact, and Dr T Rahulan. What Dr Rahulan does not know about Aviation, aircraft and getting through a tough course (he is a taskmaster, but it will be worth it!) is not worth worrying about. With any luck you may get one of these Gentlemen as your Tutor. Give my best to Salford Uni, oh, and by the way if you meet "Dr Jones," just tell him that Barney says Hi, and the second thing, ask Dr Rahulan about the "N E Rowe Award" because he helped me in that. Best Regards. :)

[HEMAVPAN]

http://www.workshopmanuals.co.uk/workshop_manuals/aviation/index.htm

please go through the above website--it would be useful

[Genghis the Engineer]

Anyway I'm so Lucky. By Chance I found this forum and ask questions which confused me then I met someone who is going to same university with me. I should do foundation year it will be good for me. Have you ever done something for Aeronautical engineering?

Clearly if you want to do an engineering degree and don't have the right qualifications / grades to enter directly, a FOE (Foundations of Engineering) 1-year course is a good route to bridge that gap.

But, if you do have the qualifications to enter directly, then I'd recommend going straight in - the Foundation year is really only for those who can't manage a direct entry.

G

[Futureng]

haha dont worry Roman I'll say :P

This site has some usefull things it will be good. thank you

I applied for foundation because It will help for my maths and physics.aLso they want a levels for 1st year since we dont do a level here ı have no choice. But we ll see different courses from other engineering courses.Related with 1st year courses so I have nothing to loose =)

Thnx for your interests

[Futureng]

Sorry but I can't download these manuals. I can't see any download link or related button.

[NightFlit]

Besides getting up to speed with the core mathematics, a good revision of fluid dynamics and thermodynamics is essential as Genghis the Engineer has touched on! This is the basis for aerodynamics low and high speed and for propulsions as well. The basics I presume would be covered under a foundation year.

Education is very much delivered now through 'Problem Based Learning'. Much now is applying equations and theorems to solve a particular problem, rather than testing your knowledge on the actual Theory! However, this does vary between courses and universities.

[Futureng]

which of the modules has most painful maths?

[McAero]

Depends on the lecturer....:cool:

[Futureng]

Exactly but There must be an effect of module and a student to make maths painful.

[rayne]

i heard a few of you guys goin to Salford this september, good the hear that, im also goin to study at salford for aircraft engineering with pilot studies, sgbengineer (http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=151083) which course are you on? Futureng your from cyprus?dont you need to go to the welcome week or fresher's week to get familiar with the uni?

[sgbengineer]

Hi mate, im on aeronautical engineering. good luck with your course. yeh i guess you have to go in for freshers week.

[roman757nose]

i heard a few of you guys goin to Salford this september, good the hear that, im also goin to study at salford for aircraft engineering with pilot studies.

Good luck & I am fascinated by this course as it has commenced after I graduated from Salford in 2003. I am fascinated due to wondering how the "Pilot Studies" element, presumably towards a PPL or Piloting License of some description is funded as will other thread viewers be. Who pays - does your LEA fund the "Pilot Studies" or will a term time job be meeting this requirement? :hmm:

Enjoy Aero Eng element anyway, I graduated in 2003 as a mature student with previous CPL / IR and have been involved with Humanitarian Aid programmes in Central America then Africa ever since. MOST rewarding, not rich but almost certainly happy (and definitely suntanned) having chosen & sticking to the distribution of aid and medicine-supplies for a living. :ok:

[Futureng]

yes I have to go for welcome week. I will be there on 13th of September.So I will participate 14th's program. I still have problem on accommodation. roman757nose how is Salford's Education in these courses? aLso how is environment and what type of things you most dislike?

[roman757nose]

From Day One you will meet some experts in their fields, but some Task Masters too even though at the end of the course you will be thanking all of them. Dr Y Noguchi may have retired now but if he hasn't (I graduated in 2003) I have never met a more conscientious Year Tutor; however in the modules he teaches / taught you are made to work hard for this gentleman who is / was the principal Royal Aeronautical Society contact and who could advise you from the cost of a Boeing 747-400ERF ($183m) to the purpose behind serrated-circular as opposed to standard-circular turbofan exhaust-outlets and the purposes served by both. Moving to Dr T Rahulan, an expert in all fields be prepared to work very hard to impress, however it is worth it in the end. Whatever you want to know about anything on the Boeing 747-400ERF aircraft as opposed to the standard B747-400 is known by Dr Rahulan; I thought extremely highly of him and still do so I hope you get to meet him. (N.B. Ask him about the "N.E. Rowe Awards" if you would like to take part in an interesting Year One challenge.) Dr A H Jones (who I asked you to say Hi to) wouldn't know a Boeing 747-400ERF from a B747-400 if either was to fly suspiciously low over Newton Building (at Salford Uni) but is both a brilliant Physicist and Mathematician rolled into one - you will find him very useful & he was Head of Department when I graduated.

GREATS :ok: : Ex-RAF Jet Provost aircraft airframe + powerplant in Newton Building which you will work with during laboratory exercises plus a full wind-tunnel testing facility.

NOT SO GREATS :ugh: : Advice to you is STICK to Pure Aero Engineering - in fact set yourself this goal on Day One: "Complete the course, using all available resources which you feel you need to with which to achieve this single aim." Do not become inclined towards any of the "Business Systems" BSc courses at Salford as I had friends on Aerospace Business Systems who had an appalling experience studying on that course!! Lecturers who knew nothing about aircraft let alone a Boeing 747-400ERF / B747-400 & how much either costs, plus no employment prospects in the Aerospace Industry upon graduation - one person did but three years later he is training to be a teacher having lost his sales-environment job. Another friend is a Museum Curator - says it all really. Appalling course taught by otherwise redundant teaching staff.

Stick to Pure Aero and set your goal; REMAIN DETERMINED from Day One. It will be worth it :ok: and if you need any advice then feel free to give me a shout :) . BEST OF LUCK!! :D