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Halfnut
15th Aug 2006, 15:23
FAA Considering Passenger Ban

WASHINGTON, DC ”Seeking to address "the number-one threat to airline security," the Federal Aviation Administration announced Monday that it will consider banning passengers on all domestic and international commercial flights.

"In every single breach of security in recent years, whether it was an act of terrorism or some other form of crime, it was a passenger who subverted the safety systems on board the aircraft or in the terminal," FAA administrator Marion Blakey said. "Even threats that came in the form of explosives inside baggage were eventually traced back to a ticketed individual. As great a revenue source as they have been, passengers simply represent too great a risk to the airline industry."

Under the proposed reforms, the FAA would institute a strict ban on adult passengers, passengers 18 and under, international travelers, and domestic customers. A battery of questions and ID checks will be used to determine whether an individual is a pilot, flight attendant, or federal security officers, the only humans who will be allowed to board an aircraft flying within or headed for the U.S.

In addition, security sensors installed at all gates will sound an alarm if they detect the presence of a 98.6-degree body temperature, and airport-security workers will be trained to spot and positively identify humans in the boarding area.

"Frankly, we've tried everything else," Blakey said. "We've put up more metal detectors, searched carry-on luggage, and prohibited passengers from traveling with sharp objects. Yet passengers still somehow continue to find ways to breach security. Clearly, the passengers have to go."

If approved, the new restrictions would go into effect sometime around Thanksgiving, before the busy holiday travel season. Customers who have already purchased tickets for flights scheduled to take place after the ban's enactment will receive a voucher good for travel to their final destination by bus or train. Should such transportation prove unavailable or inadequate, passengers on most major airlines will receive either a portion of their airfare refunded or a coupon redeemable for a future flight, from which they will also be banned.

"We realize that these new regulations would, for many air travelers, be a major inconvenience," Blakey said. "But we feel strongly that it's a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our skies."

While the ban's primary purpose would be to improve security, FAA spokesman John Gemberling said it would help the airlines' economic future, as well. As evidence, he pointed to the $7.7 billion losses posted by major airlines in 2001 much of which came in the wake of Sept. 11 and the $6 billion increase in passenger-screening costs since the tragedy.

Detroit Metro during a test of the proposed no-passenger safety measure.
"We've been stretched as thin as we can go," Gemberling said. "New bag-tracking measures ensure that a passenger is on the same flight as his or her luggage, but do little to eliminate the threat of said passenger placing an explosive in the luggage. All bags are currently being screened with bomb-detection machines, but even these $1 million devices are only equipped to detect a limited range of the most conventional explosives."

Added Gemberling: "They're certainly not going to be much help stopping the next guy who wants to blow up a plane with something like a shoe."

Even the stiff measures included in the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, which President Bush recently signed into law, have proven inadequate.

"Improved explosive-detection systems, fortified cockpit doors, more plainclothes sky marshals aboard planes, and mandatory anti-hijacking training for flight crews none of it could eliminate the possibility of another Sept. 11 with 100 percent certainty," Gemberling said. "This will."

"We've tried every possible alternative, but nothing has worked," Gemberling continued. "For all our efforts, we keep coming back to the same central problem: humans."

djk
15th Aug 2006, 16:36
Isn't that an article from The Onion?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
15th Aug 2006, 16:52
it's just the logical continuation of profiling

Halfbaked_Boy
15th Aug 2006, 17:14
Ridiculous - if 'humans' can find ways of directing an aircraft at something like the WTC with the level of organisation that was achieved, then what is to stop the same people developing ways of getting their people on freight aircraft after the screening process of the goods to use for the same malicious reasons?

Oh please...

HowlingWind
15th Aug 2006, 17:44
Isn't that an article from The Onion?Nigh on five years ago, if I remember correctly.

Some things never change.

Mr Lexx
15th Aug 2006, 18:43
can you hear that? I can clearly make out the sound of someone going over to snopes to check on this :}

HowlingWind
15th Aug 2006, 21:36
We don't need no stinkin' Snopes -- we got The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27687). :E

AcroChik
15th Aug 2006, 21:49
Oh please...

Oh, please... log into your sense of humor :p

Isn't life already complex enough?

G-CPTN
15th Aug 2006, 22:02
what is to stop the same people developing ways of getting their people on freight aircraft after the screening process of the goods to use for the same malicious reasons? Oh please...
Wrap yourself in brown paper and mail yourself via airfreight.
It worked for me!

matt_hooks
15th Aug 2006, 22:06
I've seen the way they treat freight and airmail, no thaaank YOU!!!

I'd rather swim!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
15th Aug 2006, 22:33
We had a guy mail himself down to Dallas. He almost got away with it too, but he got discovered and punished severely




....ooooo Matron!

matt_hooks
15th Aug 2006, 22:36
Thwow him to the gwound vewwy woughly!

Oh, I see you alweady have!

Out of interest how long was he in hospital before he was fit to be punished?

AcroChik
15th Aug 2006, 22:58
We had a guy mail himself down to Dallas. He almost got away with it too, but he got discovered and punished severely
....ooooo Matron!

Is this the guy who "FedEx'ed" himself to his parents' house?

If this is the same guy, he wasn't in such bad shape, and was taken into custody forthwith.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Federal officials are investigating how a man managed to hide inside a crate that was flown by a major cargo carrier from New York to Dallas, Texas.

Charles McKinley wanted to go to his father's house in Dallas and decided to "ship himself rather than pay for a ticket," said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Suzanne Luber. McKinley secured himself in the crate, apparently with some help, along with his computer and some clothes. The incident highlighted a potential hole in aviation security. McKinley shipped himself through cargo carrier Kitty Hawk Inc., which said it was told by the shipping firm, Pilot Air Freight, that the crate was loaded with computer monitors. The crate, marked as containing computer equipment, was picked up at a company called Metrotech in the Bronx, New York, and driven to John F. Kennedy International Airport, and then to Newark, New Jersey, where it was placed on a Kitty Hawk cargo plane, she said. "The plane actually went to Buffalo. From Buffalo it went to Fort Wayne, Indiana. There was a change of planes onto another Kitty Hawk cargo plane, and he ended up at DFW [Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport]," Luber said. He was then driven to the intended address, which was his father's house in De Soto, a suburb 14 miles south of Dallas. Carl Smith, assistant chief of the De Soto Police Department, said that when the deliveryman went to remove the box from the truck he noticed a person inside. Authorities believe Smith had moved something he had been using to cover himself, so the driver was able to see him through a slit in the crate. "At that time, the young man kicked one side of the crate out, crawled out, got his box, and walked around to the back of the house," Smith said. The driver contacted police.

G-CPTN
16th Aug 2006, 00:21
I knew that . . .

Halfbaked_Boy
16th Aug 2006, 13:09
Ok ok :ok:... Well let's face it, if everybody travelled in containers on their holidays the airlines couldn't have a moan about the amount of passengers they could fit in one aircraft!

Cheers, Jack.

patdavies
16th Aug 2006, 15:56
FAA Considering Passenger Ban
WASHINGTON, DC ”Seeking to address "the number-one threat to airline security," the Federal Aviation Administration announced Monday that it will consider banning passengers on all domestic and international commercial flights.
"In every single breach of security in recent years, whether it was an act of terrorism or some other form of crime, it was a passenger who subverted the safety systems on board the aircraft

What about the Fedex (or DHL) crew member who tried to kill the flight crew. or the Egyptair first officer who tried to land nose first off Nantucket.

11Fan
16th Aug 2006, 16:10
Walking the fine line of PC here but there was a fella from Prague that used the Postal Service to get himself out of the country. Rumor has it, that is how they came up with the term "the Czech is in the mail". :rolleyes: