The Home of Photos in Dunnunda! Mk I

[StallsandSpins]

frigate bird,

The parasol is a Westland Widgeon (vh UHU) built in 1924. at the time it was owned by the Whittaker bros from somewhere up in country Victoria. (i think) at the time it was the oldest registered aircraft in Australia and it remained so until they sold it to Drage Airworld in the late 80's and it went off the register.

It was exactly the same type of aircraft as the kookaburra which went missing looking for kings-ford smith back in the 20's. Dick smith (the same dick smith) went on an expedition to find the kookaburra back in the 80's. i also believe he purchased vh uhu when the drage collection was sold off in the early 90's. i don't know if it is airworthy or not but it still exists. i remember climbing inside the thing when it was on display at drages as a kid, it was a very primitive aircraft but as my grandfather said "thats all they had to make do with in those days"...

i think the photo above was taken around 1974 - 75 when they had the 50th anniversaray of the tiger moth airshow at Casey. (long before my time). The photos belong to my grandfather who used to run Casey for many years. there are heaps of great photos and i am slowly scanning them all. i'll post some more soon

[StallsandSpins]

and here is a photo i found on wikipedia of vh UHU taken in 1928 apart from the vickers vimy in adelaide its probably still the oldest aircraft in australia. ( i hope dick smith didn't restore it too much ;) :) )

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/StateLibQld_1_192503_G-AUHU%2C_Westland_Widgeon_III_aeroplane%2C_ca._1928.jpg/800px-StateLibQld_1_192503_G-AUHU%2C_Westland_Widgeon_III_aeroplane%2C_ca._1928.jpg

[Kris Lovell]

Last saw Dicks Widgeon doing lovely circuits at Bankstown in 2002?(ish)

Great blue and silver scheme...

Hope its still around..

Kris

[arawa]

great pic of keith & Pam, and of course "Sweeney"..I had parked on the ramp at Kieta, and we saw KK wandering over to our jet, and thoughts of "oh no, it could be a long night ". yep, boy wire on the windows, but his next door neighbour " Mczero" converted the wall you see behind Pam, into french open out windows...the sundowner parties were memorable to say the least. great times, and KK is probably looking down ( or should I sat up ) at us laughing. I will see what pics I have ..

[VH-XXX]

Stalls and Spins, thank you so much for the pictures of Casey Field. A friend was very excited to see them and if you have any more feel free to post them or send me a PM, he'd love to see them in the flesh. Is that a Proctor? He said he went for a ride in one at Casey.

[emeritus]

Yes, a Percival Proctor. Had the pleasure of doing an endorsement on one in the early 60's.

As I remember the hand brake lever was attached to the centre section spar by woodscrews and I know of one occasion when vigourous application of brake pulled the said lever out of the spar with disastrous results on an ag strip.

Thought they were all grounded in the early 60's due to the box spar/glue problem.

Emeritus

[VH-XXX]

Seems we haven't come far in over 40 years then with fibreglass. The first Jabriu 200 series at Lethbridge almost ran off the end of the runway when the master cylinder in the centre console pulled its screws through the fibreglass!

[Towering Q]

Back to Rakkestad Norway, home of the Broussard, where the snow has all but disappeared.

Can anyone identify the yellow machine to the left of screen? At first I thought it was a Mooney, but they don't have a door on the LHS.





http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k176/towering_q/Yellow.jpg

[cac_sabre]

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=saab%20safir&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSaab_91_Safir&ei=ORmBT7r-HdCSiAeC8uGlBA&usg=AFQjCNEvoK_1eLcPfNbdtsNP16DA7yy8OA&cad=rja

[Towering Q]

Thanks sabre....I never would've picked that.

Good to see the Scandinavians utilising the local product.

[Towering Q]

In fact, I found this very bird here....

Photos: Saab 91B Safir Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Saab-91B-Safir/1956857/L/&sid=ea58bd3cbcd253ba5aae5ab92b3a98e8)

[emeritus]

There used to be a Safir on the Aust register many moons ago...VH-AHA if I remember correctly.

Saw the u/c collapse on landing at Avalon once. Belonged to one of the Aero Clubs in Tas as I recall.

[aditya104]

Got this in the email today and thought it was pretty cool.
Interesting use of multiple exposures anyway.

Click on this for full size image.
http://i.imgur.com/XEmCJm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/XEmCJ.jpg)

Unfortunately, I doubt this being an example of multiple exposure. But cool nonetheless.

[forever flying]

Team RV 2012 - World's Largest Airshow Team.mpg - YouTube

Found this pretty good!

[VH-XXX]

I'll tell you what I find impressive about that video and I mentioned this recently (before seeing this just now), that I've never seen a coordinated stall-turn with multiple aircraft before. It's at the 1:15 mark. Very well done and would be interesting to watch. A very simple manouevre for a great spectacle.

[VH-XXX]

LV28AL0k1kY

April 6th. Still happening and they obviously haven't closed the beach yet.

[kingRB]

XXX if it that does happen, it will be another example of everything always ending up having to be regulated against blatant stupidity. It continues to make the world an increasingly boring place.

Most people with any semblance of intelligence would realise standing a few meters behind thousands of pounds of thrust will generally not end well. I guess you can't cure stupid. She deserves every bit of that concrete face plant.

[MFB 2]

A few from Townsville, several years ago.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Townsville-001.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Townsville-002.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Townsville-003.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Townsville-004.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Townsville-005.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Looks like fun:)

krMPAJB5fVI

:ok:

[VH-XXX]

A few random Temora shots from the weekend... nothing exciting in terms of photos sorry.

Nice unit the Garmin 300, that is, until it stops working....

Interesting artistry on the Sun Visors.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora1.jpg

Having trouble getting the camera to adjust to the light outside.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora2.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora3.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora4.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora5.jpg

8 Cylinders to worry about cracking instead of 6!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora6.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora7.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora8.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora9.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/temora10.jpg

[Jabawocky]

You have a pretty firm grip on ya STICK there XXX:E. The Flycatcher is not that hard to hang onto surely?:}

Jab250 with 8 Cylinders from Gympie :hmm: Interesting unit.

An Assylum......had to beat Chuckles and Forkie to it :ouch:

And a bit of Misbehaviour.......I wish!

Must have been a good weekend for you. Nice Pics :ok:

I had 3h15m home at 127Litres for 533nm. Not bad with not much in the way of tail winds. And not a bump or even cloud at 13K'

[Jack Ranga]

X, that blank spot on the dash looks 'made' for an ipad. How long before a dash mount is made I wonder?

[VH-XXX]

If it was my aircraft it would have an AirGizmo in it already for the iPad, or a second Garmin 300 for when the first one blanks out ! I'm glad ATC didn't get cranky when I punched a hole in the airspace when I was attempting to rectify the problem.

[Desert Flower]

A PILOT instructor and a learner have made a lucky escape after their light aircraft crashed in northern Victoria.
The pair were able to get themselves out of the Jabiru after it crash landed in a paddock one kilometre after take-off at Mildura airport, police said.

The plane flipped on to its roof about 7.45am today AEST.

The two men were taken to Mildura hospital with neck pain.


Perfect example of how to do a wheels up in a fixed gear aircraft! ;)

DF.

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Not a bad representation of how my eyes were seeing things.......

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5346/7075788883_bf42f9d5a2_b.jpg

[tail wheel]

There used to be a Safir on the Aust register many moons ago...VH-AHA if I remember correctly.

Saw the u/c collapse on landing at Avalon once. Belonged to one of the Aero Clubs in Tas as I recall.

Bobby Gibbes also owned a Saab Safir on the Australian Register sometime in the early to mid 1960s? My guess the registration would have been VH-RHG?

[MFB 2]

A few from Mareeba.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Warbirds-001.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Warbirds-002.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Warbirds-004.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Warbirds-008.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Warbirds-009.jpg

[gcpilot]

Saw a really nice albatross come in to WLM late this morning. Looked like a relatively fresh paint job. Flew beautifully, rego N42MY. Anyone familiar or have an idea of what it's up to.? Cheers

[212bushman]

Yes gcpilot, it is a sensationally painted Grumman Albatross G-111 Albatross ,(1961). Arrived by ship from Miami into Newcastle. Came into Bankstown on Saturday. It starts its journey to West Aus. Mon 22nd. (possibly via Lake Boga Victoria).
One A-1 looking sea-plane ! :ok:

[212bushman]

The sea plane is going into Rose bay Sydney this morning for a while. Returning back to YSBK overnight then gone for ever more to the West.
(I wish I could post a pic).

[Rasdell]

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s406/Rasdell/April2012010.jpg

[AussieNick]

Somewhere in the US. I see it's still carrying its N rego.

Maybe Seattle?

[Trent 972]

PANC. Anchorage Int.

[Rasdell]

Anchorage it is.

[Piano Man]

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6249/dsc0010oz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/dsc0010oz.jpg/)

[Aye Ess]

Nice one Piano. There is a Facebook page called 'Australian Aircraft Spotters Group'. Have a look,it's quite an active group with lots of photos. I think they would urinate their trousers seeing your photies.

[Scottw]

aaaa:):):)aaaa

[chimbu warrior]

I hope the moderators are okay with this. I just found some great shots from the 60's & 70's on another site; these are not mine, but are too good not to bring to the attention of those viewing this thread.

Enjoy :

Australia 60' & 70's • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9945)

Australia 60's & 70's (correction) • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9946)

Australia 60's & 70's Vol.2 • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10045)

Australia 60's & 70's. Vol.3 • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10221)

Australia 60's & 70's. Vol.4. • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10251)

Australia 60' & 70@s. Vol.5 • (Nostalgia and Wrecks & Relics) • Civilian Aviation • (http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11016)

[boocs]

Thanks Chimbu, those photos are stunning!!

b.

[Super Cecil]

Doesn't seem that long ago :bored: that Bankstown used to look like that first link with the Sid Marshals hanger full of goodies (Coupla Spits, the 109G and that Oscar hanging from the roof). The Lockheed was parked out the front for years.

[maehhh]

Some pix from the weekend...

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap005.jpg

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap003.jpg

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap008.jpg

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap009.jpg

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap001.jpg

http://www.givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/ap012.jpg


Cheers
maehhh

[Jerr]

Nice pictures of Perth...but I like this one I took on Friday late afternoon.

Enjoy

JERR

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/Williamstown.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Empty dams??? What the? :E

[jas24zzk]

I like the one of the strip next to the big swimming pool....nice short walk :ok:

[maehhh]

@JERR: I agree that's a nice one :ok:


talking about Perth...

http://givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/yrti005.jpg


approaching YRTI... time to get on the ground :suspect:

http://givemeabrain.de/divs/pix/pprune/yrti007.jpg


Cheers
maehhh

[VH-XXX]

Michael Jackson jetpack!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/eject.jpg

[slackie]

Great photo, but it can't end well for the F18!!

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

****tynickers 1 ...Clear To Land....

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Yeah Jaba, we all TRY and shower wif a 'friend'......

:eek:

[VH-XXX]

Great photo, but it can't end well for the F18!!

Touche!



http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/eject1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/eject2.jpg

[zappalin]

Poor bloody windsock!

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

It would be a bugger if you survived the ejection...............and then landed in the inferno!

Dr :8

[jas24zzk]

That's the one from canada during airshow practice.

Pilot ejects from F-18 jet at the last second, just before crash - YouTube

[forever flying]

It would be a bugger if you survived the ejection...............and then landed in the inferno!

Dr

Well, that's actually what happened to the pilot on the first ever F-14 ejection. They were inbound and suffered a hydraulic failure, also the first of its kind.

Fighter Fling 2004 - YouTube

Watch from 0:52 - 1:12. For those that haven't watched the Fighter Fling videos I would highly recommend them! :cool:

[Jerr]

Hey Maehhh,

Nic pics, no TS for me

This is the way I finished my flight last Friday afternoon.

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/YMPC1.jpg

Cheers

JERR

[Jerr]

Flying out of YMEN -Essendon flying out to YECH - Echuca

Nice weather

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/EchucaviewofMelbourne.jpg

[VH-XXX]

What is that Gucci looking aircraft with the Tan/orange leather?

[Kulwin Park]

Look at the FA/18 exhaust outlet cones on post #9539 especially ... looks like one engine had failed, and bypass/compression exhaust ducts were open...

[slackie]

VH-XXX - looks like a Diamond DA40 or 42??

[VH-XXX]

Well spotted. Appears to be the rear port seat of a DA40.

[Piano Man]

Something different: Got this Cathay A330 today just after a shower had gone past

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6609/dsc0025wu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/dsc0025wu.jpg/)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2607/dsc0026ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/dsc0026ji.jpg/)

[Jerr]

Yes VH - XXX Diamond 40 XLS. TAS of 140 plus @ 38 LPH:)

Jerr

[Jabawocky]

Jerr

I can show you TAS160 +/-4 at 36-37LPH And probably bigger payload.

So what is so :)........ :ok:

[Jabawocky]

Piano .... :D :ok: again!

[Trojan1981]

Jabawocky

Jerr

I can show you TAS160 +/-4 at 36-37LPH And probably bigger payload.

So what is so ........


Jab it's not fair to pick on Diamonds; they can't help it! :8

[morno]

Good to see VH-LFU found a new life. Awesome C207 that machine. One of the few around with the IO-550 in them, what Cessna should have installed to start with.

morno

[Kenneth]

Its the 550 in LFU which saved my life when the chook farmer tried to kill me many a moon ago!:uhoh:

[Howard Hughes]

I have a few hours in LFU, looking good in its current guise!:ok:

[VH-XXX]

Guessing game.... where did I take these?

They are at different ends of the spectrum in more than ways than one... and yes I know that they are in the US.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/jets.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/bp1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bc_j400/bp2.jpg

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

First shot ...Aspen, Co.?

;)

[Capt Fathom]

Tucson Arizona?

and

The bottom two are in Marathon, Florida!

[stevep64]

The first one, on a bus.

[VH-XXX]

The first one, on a bus.

Correct.... but where?


The bottom two are in Marathon, Florida!


Capt Fathom, absolutely yes, Marathon Florida; good job. I'm hoping you didn't cheat by looking up the rego's.

I was just down the way a bit from there at Hawks Key, Duck Key. What a nice place, except that it blows 20 knots every day depending on the season.

Something too about the Keys where pilots don't care about their altitude and seemingly for much of the US. Nothing to see a Eurocopter or similar zooming down the overseas highway at 200ft at 11pm.

[Jabawocky]

Two infamous ppruners, hard at work :}

Chocky frog to anyone who guesses both correctly. Particpants excluded of course!

I3I90mx3Csg&list=UU-KheOmXOz79f5wrOVPOADg&index=1&feature=plcp

[Keg]

Is one of them Chimbu Chuckles?

[Dora-9]

Caboolture?

Jaba's RV-10 streaking across the sky in the background?

A certain Redcliffe based Gipsy Major 10/2 powered Tiger?

[Arnold E]

Jaba's RV-10 streaking across the sky in the background?

Good eye spotting there, I hadn't noticed the aircraft in the background, bound to be Jabba.:ok:

[Jabawocky]

Dora, had you ventured slightly eatward yesterday or today, you may have seem Retard Vehicle under going Annual Inspection.........and you may have been subjected to a task and tools.

No RV-10 action in that video.

Keg......the deal was TWO ppruners.....no half chocky frogs for you! :}


Another mate has moved his baby in at YCAB, cool huh!
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/photo3.jpg

[morno]

See if anyone can guess where, and what the unusual aircraft in the scene is.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo84/morno_photos/68bc5840.jpg

morno

[Jabawocky]

A Gulfstream? In Bundy??

[morno]

Gulfstream, yes. Bundy, no. Come on Jaba, you didn't think I'd make it that easy for you did you, :E

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Lot of 210s in the one spot.

[Jabawocky]

Well t could have been yesterday afternoon, nice wx:ok:

[FNQ Driver]

Judging by the 2 water towers in the background Morno,I'd say Longreach

[nitpicker330]

VH-XXX. Top photo of the Lear Jet is KLAS. I recognize the 747SP in the background as a VIP bird from KLAS. So that's my guess??

[morno]

FNQ Driver, carton of Gold for you. It is indeed Longeach.

Quite a gathering there the other day. Lots of C210's, Baron's, a C207, Gulfstream. The new terminal building looks to be coming along well too.

morno

[VH-XXX]

Yep, good old viva Las Vegas....
Not many other places around with that many light jets in the same place at once.

[nitpicker330]

Hey, I feel good ...... :)

See that 747SP in HK quite a bit and their 767 too flying the high rollers into Macau....

[Scottw]

aaaaa:):):)aaa

[Scottw]

aa;);););)aaaa

[BPH63]

Circuits last Saturday morning in M'bah
yDbXOJWIGj0
Youtube did something weird to my video - fixed I think!

[Modesetter]

Not the best shots, but nice to see a bit of green around the place for a change..

Over and around Swan Hill:


http://i.imgur.com/fqlwgl.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/qz7Kpl.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/EW8RWl.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/rf8Zkl.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Ohhh dear........

Toowoomba oops, Scott must have missed this one :{

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hbVfKaNl0

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Oops!

Now that is funny - expensive, but funny!

Dr :8

[VH-XXX]

That is one of the hidden costs of owning an aircraft that people don't talk about when they quote costs for 100 hourlies.

[Pinky the pilot]

One of the most expensive ways of digging a trench I've ever seen.

Wonder what was the cause of the nosewheel giving way?

[redsnail]

Looks like there was a chock in the way.
Ouch. :eek:

[Howard Hughes]

That makes me wanna cry...:{

[Trojan1981]

:eek: Oh No! Brother!

Has someone said it yet? That'll buff out! :}

I'm surprised no picks from 'Wings Over the Illawarra' have made it onto this thread. I'll post some this afternoon if I get time. Participants were down a bit on previous years, but it was still a good show. It was great to see and hear so many big radials in the sky again. Though it's funny to see the Caribou flown in such a tame fashion after years of operational flying with them.

The Plane Crazy Down Under Podcast guys (Steve V and Grant M) were also there recording interviews and covering the show. That episode should be available for free download on iTunes and the website very soon.
:ok:

[Jabawocky]

rumour has it..........gear lever selected up :uhoh: :{

[T28D]

Yup only way that can happen is gear selected up, hydraulics break the overcentre lock and Voila the gear she does come up.

Item 3 on the pre start check list, Gear Selected Down !!!!!!!!

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Yup only way that can happen is gear selected up, hydraulics break the overcentre lock and Voila the gear she does come up.
Item 3 on the pre start check list, Gear Selected Down !!!!!!!!

So I guess that makes it funny, expensive - and kinda stupid! :E

Dr :8

[Trojan1981]

Oh no... poor bloke... :(

Here's a few from WOI 2012 on the 6th of May.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0258.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0113.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0230.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0245.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0207.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0129.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/WOI%202012/2012_0510nov11visitsJack0151.jpg

[Scottw]

aaaaaaaa:):)

[Dora-9]

ScottW - and I was standing a few feet on your right, apparently!

Good on you for posting this explanation, there have been rumours floating around about a system malfunction causing the gear retraction. Like you, my heart went out to TB, who is justifiably proud of his aeroplane. I've known this gent for many years and have great respect for both his competence and abilities.

Jaba, T28D and FTDK, you might care to reflect on quickly condemning a fellow aviator before all the facts are in....

redsnail, look again, the chock was not in the way.

[frigatebird]

Well said Dora..
Maybe if they posted more photos and fewer comments on this thread, that would be a start..

[Dogimed]

I felt the same as these guys when I was emailed the vid.
First shock followed closely by disbelief and then my heart just sank for the owner.

there have been rumours floating around about a system malfunction causing the gear retraction. Like you, my heart went out to TB

Oh no... poor bloke..

That makes me wanna cry...

Guys, you gotta remember its a rumour network, not a d1ckhead network..


So I guess that makes it funny, expensive - and kinda stupid!

Yup only way that can happen is gear selected up, hydraulics break the overcentre lock and Voila the gear she does come up.

Item 3 on the pre start check list, Gear Selected Down !!!!!!!!

rumour has it..........gear lever selected up

Oops!

Now that is funny - expensive, but funny!

Dog

[Jabawocky]

Gooday Dora,

I did prequalify that as rumour has it, I do not know the gear lever location but it would not be the first time in history that sort thing has gone wrong, as for the chances of this electrical fault happening, that is surely rare!

[T28D]

I own and regularly fly a T28D the gear locks are MECHANICAL operated by a bloody big gear lever on the left of the panel, the only electrical required by the gear is the Hydraulic Actuator Solenoid which is always in on the ground or indeed any time the gear is selected down, the indication micro swithhes for the dolls eyes and the throttle retard horn and light in the handle.

The operation of the gear is completely hydraulic by sequencing valves, the down locks are overcentre struts and the uplocks are mechanical.

Emergency extension requires no Hydraulics or electrics, the bloody big gear selector operates the uplocks and the mains free fall the nose is helped by a really big spring.

So any tought that an electrical fault could retract the gear is fanciful nonsense from those whoare not familiar with the T28 systems.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

So any tought that an electrical fault could retract the gear is fanciful nonsense from those whoare not familiar with the T28 systems. I thought it - you said it!

Nobody likes to admit that they fecked up big time!

Dr :8

[Dogimed]

This is a T28A Model - Air Force
You have a T28D Model - Navy

Not like they ever change the undercarriage for Navy ship borne aircraft is it...


However, even if he did make a mistake... he can learn from it ..seems you two can't stop being *********.

Dog

[Frank Arouet]

The T28D was a converted T28A with an R-1820-56S engine. (replaced the 800HP Wright). Had a strengthened airframe for light attack and attack/ training, with 2 piece canopy. At a weight of about three tonnes it is basically the same airframe sans improvements.

[Scottw]

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[T28D]

And just a little addendum, the Maintenance manuals for thr T28A are also the same for T28D with Supplements for armament, Power Plant, Performance ect for the D model. Structural in the main except for spar carry through beef up and 3 hard points on each wing as wellas significant doublers in the centre section, basic Electrics and Hydraulics are same.

The Undercarraige is the same on both aircraft, but the T28D has nose wheel steering. The T28 C has same U/C but the nose wheel is smaller and the propellor is different.

All T28 aircraft have no squat switch because the U/C is manual/hydraulic.

For info the P 51 T 6 also have no squat switch for same reason, I have flown both and the Flight Manual makes a big dealout of the pre start check.

And the pre start list is very short 5 items.

[T28D]

Dogimed, facts win discussions for your enlightenment the Navy Aircraft were T 28 C for carrier famil, though they did not operate off carriers just the land based training strips with a mix of B models for Instrument training U/C identical to the D model and the French Fennec.

Try to stick with what you know !!!

[ranmar850]

I learnt to fly in pre-digital times, and don't have anything scanned from then. So I'll stick to what I've been doing in recent years.
Omaka 2011
http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-7rMB33w/0/X2/Omaka-airshow-504-X2.jpg

Anyone who was there will remember it as consistently overcast, not great conditions for good photography.





http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-x87dJjT/0/X2/Omaka-airshow-071-X2.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-zbkCPdb/0/X2/Omaka-airshow-387-X2.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-mX4kjqD/0/X2/Omaka-airshow-117-X2.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-Qz3HVpG/0/X2/Omaka-airshow-216-X2.jpg

[Dogimed]

T28D..

My point was rather your postings when a pilot maybe makes a mistake and you get on here telling all and sundry what he did wrong...

..seems you two can't stop being *********.

Try to stick with what you know !!!

I'd say my guess was pretty accurate...but if it makes you feel better, I'm sure your willy is bigger than mine.


Edit for photo link.

Some T28's NOT operating from a carrier.
http://collections.naval.aviation.museum/emuwebdoncoms/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=43626

Dog

[T28D]

Absolutely right Bob Hoover did most of the T 28 test flying which included in test some limited carrier ops to prove the aircraft could operate within the ground training strips and be true to carrier ops.

There was never any catapault gear on the T 28 the dog box structure was never designed for this, so they did touch and goes to see how the dive brake could set up the power on approach.

plenty of good reading on the T 28 C at Navy Paxutent.

[VH-XXX]

Get a room you two (or 3 or 4)!! :ugh: Maybe we need a T28 thread.

[frigatebird]

Interesting little repartee there though, have to admit, One Short Of A Fourex. Perhaps we all learnt something about T28 Trojans even if we will never fly them. My education on hydraulic undercarriage implications was reinforced 30 years ago watching the passengers scramble out of an Aztec on the runway, after the undercarriage collapsed on the takeoff roll. Seems after overnight maintenance the gingerbeers had left the gear handle in an up position, and the young Kiwi pilot hadn't picked it up on his Daily..?!, and had backtraced the full length of the runway just on the safety microswitch.. When the weight came off.. the prop tips bit the bitumen. Sorry no photo.. didn't have the camera handy.

[megle2]

Dogmed, I'm with you
You simply showed some common decency
The others in their mini club, common guys, ease up

It has nothing to do with tech knowledge

[frothy]

Here's a good one of the 717 out of Gladstone a couple of days ago taken by a Local, good one Jamie

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj286/Grothy1/VH-NXNtakeofffromgladstone.jpg

Frothy

[ABX]

Yep, that is a good one frothy! They look like they get up and boogie during take off and climb. :)

[Brian Abraham]

facts win discussions for your enlightenment the Navy Aircraft were T 28 C for carrier famil, though they did not operate off carriers just the land based training stripsAbsolutely right Bob Hoover did most of the T 28 test flying which included in test some limited carrier ops to prove the aircraft could operate within the ground training strips and be true to carrier ops.Facts win discussions. Must have been a parallel universe then that I and thousands of USN students made carrier qualifications on the mighty Lexington in the T-28C. Arrested landings, but no catapault take off, as you noted T28D. Take off was a canopy open, full flap, stand on the brakes, run up to 30", and on the wave from the launch officer, off brakes and full power. Called a 'free take off', and a procedure used by the S-2 Tracker and others from time to time. Every USN/Coast Guard/Marine/Foriegn student who went through the T-28 stream carrier qualified. Foriegn students included about 40 Australians, a number who lurk here.

[ranmar850]

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-FRfWT9H/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-213-XL.jpg

Beautiful detail on these replicas
http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-7wKZLx7/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-257-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-7d9fSBS/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-296-XL.jpg


http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-b43TcJh/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-346-XL.jpg

[ranmar850]

....oops, sorry mods, posted first pics too large, distorting page. Ok with second post, I think.

[VH-XXX]

Frigatebird, regarding Aztec. A PPL guy I used to work with used to own an Aztec, was telling me that for a super-short takeoff roll he used to put the gear lever in the up position when in the takeoff roll and when he lifted off the wheels would come straight up and comparatively the aircraft leapt in the air.

One sad day he lifted too much weight off the nose during the early stage of the talked roll, the nose wheel retracted and he had an expensive bulk strip multiplied by two (at full noise of course) plus new props to wrap it up.

Supposedly it was the done thing for kicks in the Aztec going back a few years.

[ranmar850]

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-B8PtKfj/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-242-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-f9wTnwT/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-312-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-fjdhKS9/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-421-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-hF8kdb4/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-430-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-KVz85pP/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-649-XL.jpg


http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-ZKfZqk9/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-125-XL.jpg

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

'Tis VERY nice at Omaka......

Great shots....:ok::ok:

[jas24zzk]

Do the kiwi's have a stranglehold on airworthy WW1 era machines (real or otherwise) ?

Loving the camo job on the tank!!! Tiger? Real/replica/fake?

[ranmar850]

Somewhere between a fake and a replica , I believe :hmm:, but a good one. And the WW1 fulltracker was good, too. I'll post that later. They actually had a mock-up of a V2 rocket, which was apparently destroyed in an "aerial attack" on the Sunday:D And the "farmhouse" with attached hangar visible in some shots apparently suffered, as well. All in all, an excellent show. The FW190 replica , sadly, did not fly, as it apparently had a cooling fan fail during Friday run-ups. And the Bristol Freighter couldn't be started on the Saturday, but did run on the Sunday. Pity, I had the video camera on it for quite a while, waiting for that magnificent radial start-up.
I wondered what they were going to do with the Dash-8 (200?) which was parked out on the grass. It did a demo short take-off, very impressive, then a total landing run of 500 ft, on wet grass, without brakes:eek:, according to the commentator.
The attached museum is absolutely brilliant, as anyone who has attended can verify. I only spent 3 hours in there, my wife is very tolerant. Could've spent all day.

I haven't bothered to caption much, as most of the readers on here would know more about the aircraft pictured than I do.:ok:

[ranmar850]

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-wDJrNV7/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-031-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-FK3Hs42/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-080-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-WLnwmWd/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-270-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-VLRJcrc/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-168-XL.jpg

[MFB 2]

Great shots ranmar and frothy.

[ranmar850]

Powered glider 'twas very impressive--just not used to seeing gliders come in low, and then depart upwards:D
http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-KQGWT2T/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-043-XL.jpg



http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-nhjd6wx/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-538-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-TxjRFvL/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-200-XL.jpg

[LeadSled]

Back to T-28s and gear levers.
Very embarrassing, and potentially very expensive, the degree of damage will depend on how hard the ground was!!.
Ain't the first time its happened to the Australian T-28 fleet, it happened at least once before, to a -B at Tyabb.
Doesn't matter what the aircraft is, stick to standard operating procedures and use the bleeding checklist as it was intended, it's a lot cheaper than a cashectomy.
Tootle pip!!

PS: Flying a B, C or D is a bit like flying a 1425HP Chipmunk, flying the A --- and find out the difference. The original T-28A was a USAF basic trainer in Sabre days, and the USAF wanted at trainer that "simulated" the early jets --- including long takeoff runs and shallow climb angles ---- with only 800HP the specification was entirely successful in this regard.

The best version of the T-28 was the Fennec, the French airforce version, the structural changes showed more finesse, compared to a -B, C or D. The Fennec was identical to the NA-260 Nomad, the factory civil version of the T-28. The late Don Kendall's AT-28D-5 actually started life as an NA-260, was repurchased by the DoD and converted to a -D. All Fennec's and quite a few D/D5 theoretically qualify for a standard cat. certificate of airworthiness as an NA-260.

[ranmar850]

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-LxFZfsZ/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-274-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-Jz6NXfV/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-530-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-CWqwsWz/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-252-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-stFsk82/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-675-XL.jpg

[jas24zzk]

Look at the MESS under the corsair!! :ugh:

Appears to do a lot of flying.....lucky guy :ok:

[Dora-9]

"... like flying a 1425 hp Chipmunk", LeadSlead?

The mind boggles.....

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

That would be that 'new' swept wing Chippy..??

:uhoh:

[ranmar850]

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-HcW85jX/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-690-XL.jpg

Caption? ""You want me to do WHAT???"

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-cXdFZsj/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-679-XL.jpg

I wish I had photographed this entire scene--a nurse in mud-spattered whites, driving an opeen-cab Ford field ambulance, pulls up at the aircraft, these soldiers are calling to her: you'd swear they were alive.

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-c5SjSmj/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-693-XL.jpg

The old aero engines can be fascinating--this one had no information attached, still awaiting it's place in the display: appears to be an OHC V8, liquid cooled?

[Frank Arouet]

"... like flying a 1425 hp Chipmunk",

Unlike some, I have had the pleasure of flying both the un-swept DH-C1 and the T28D and they have very similar flying characteristics in the air.

The mind boggles indeed if you are a nitpicker, however I would challenge those same critics to do a circuit or two, preferrably in a single seat model.

More photo's needed:oh:

[Modesetter]

The old aero engines can be fascinating--this one had no information attached, still awaiting it's place in the display: appears to be an OHC V8, liquid cooled?

If i'm not mistaken, that is a 170HP Renault HSI V8.

These were circa 1917, so obviously WW1. Perhaps a Farman F45?

[Brian Abraham]

I have had the pleasure of flying both the un-swept DH-C1 and the T28Ditto. The T-28 was a pussy cat. In USN service students came to the 28 with about 20 hours in a T-34, of which only about 3 hours were solo. Solo on the 28 then came with about 27 hours grand total time.

[ranmar850]

Thanks for that, fills in a gap.
This, a Napier Lion W-12
http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-sxD9J7N/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-692-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-CCG7j4W/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-624-XL.jpg

Something vaguely disturbing about a nurse behind a machine gun --I hope she was only getting a lift:ooh:

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-SRTGJcL/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-549-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-ZKfZqk9/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-125-XL.jpg

http://ranmar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Omaka-Classic-fighters-2011/i-nBLCqwQ/0/XL/Omaka-airshow-281-XL.jpg

[Kris Lovell]

I feel a bit annoyed that I have to share this.. but they put on a fantastic show.

Air and Land Spectacular (http://www.landandairshow.com.au/)

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9667.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9658.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9598.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9590.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9575.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9532.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9597.jpg



All replicas in varying sizes.

The ground show was also very impressive.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9632.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/krislovell/IMG_9538.jpg

Kris

[ranmar850]

Where was this, Chris?

[Kris Lovell]

The Emu Gully Air & Land Spectacular is Australia’s largest re-enactment of Anzac history. Australia’s biggest collection of operating military vehicles is not only on display, but comes to life to re-enact Gallipoli, scenes from World War II and other pivotal battles in our Nation’s history. The action on the ground is matched with excitement in the skies, as military aircraft drop bombs and dog-fight in battles overhead. Troops and mounted infantry provide a very real and up-close portrayal of our troops on the ground, as they navigate the trenches and dodge bombs (provided by stunning pyrotechnics and special effects).

The Andrew Sisters Tribute Band provides another highlight, as do the military bands. There are rides for the kids, an ‘animals that went to war nursery’ and much more, that together provide an educational, inspirational and highly entertaining event.

With its Airfield and large Outdoor Education Centre, Emu Gully is an ideal venue. Emu Gully is located at Helidon Spa, near Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia.

[frigatebird]

Thanks Kris
Great photos. Didn't know about it, it would have been good to see.
My old Dad told me that he used to take his horse along to the weekend LightHorse camps and do Tentpegging, when he was a young man in the early '20's, when the family was at Cambooya.

[Kris Lovell]

FB,

I only found out about it 2 days prior..and even then wasnt sure it existed!

Well kept secret I guess.

Kris

[Jabawocky]

zK4zppbXEXk
Red Bull Akte Blani(x) 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zK4zppbXEXk)

Crazy but well done!

[Terrey]

P-51 Mustang at Wings over Illawarra 2012..

http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n2RFE26Skn0/T7zJdbPX11I/AAAAAAAAmts/biLf8ICGxxk/s800/12%2021:26:16

[cowl flaps]

Looking at the halos on the ridge line I'd say you used Photomatix.

[MFB 2]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/AC-021.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/AC-022.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/AC-023.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/AC-024.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/AC-001.jpg

[MFB 2]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Avalon-001.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Avalon-002.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Avalon-003.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Avalon-004.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/mickblake/Avalon-011.jpg

[Jack Ranga]

Where?

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p577/andymacatc/LTILS6.jpg

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

T'aint W.A. Ranga....No rain 'ere.....

:ok:

[Bevan666]

I think I can see some water down the other end, so my guess is Hobart.

[PLovett]

Could be 32L at Launie. Looks like the railway in the foreground, taxiway on the left. Certainly wet enough there last Friday, but I'm guessing. :eek:

[Jabawocky]

It would be the ILS at Launy.....in an Aerostar :ok:

Soon you will have a different view, more like this....http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/photo1-1.jpg


Problem was this weather was associated with the winds shown here :eek:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/jaba430/photo2-2.jpg

How the ball and bug were somewhere near their targets surprises me, this must have been a lucky shot, was rough and slow......:ouch:

[Jack Ranga]

Yes, was Launy & Bevan you were sorta right, there was shiploads of water!

Jaba, there was 130kts of wind a little higher than that in the weather system you were in :eek:

[Jack Ranga]

T'aint W.A. Ranga....No rain 'ere.....

Coupla cheap de-salination plants going on the east coast if you want them?

Tell ya what, I'll give you the Melbourne one half price: 4 Billion?

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Yes Mate....'Tis all a big joke, especially over 'ere.....For 4 BBBillion we could, and should, build that much talked about pipeline from 'De North' and pump some Kimberley water down....even run a pipe thru Alice to Adelaide.....

You know, it would only have to be 'pumped' as far as Wiluna in WA - from there its downhill to KALGOORLIE, and run it thru the existing pipeline 'down' to PH.....

Plenty of 'labour' sitting out at APXM......
Ah well.....

Cheers..:ok:

[Kharon]

One for the armchair auditors, appologies to those who have seen it. Just made me smile. :D

CASA investigates.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Very Good!!

The 'other' aircraft that Victa built..?? :p

(The Victa Haircruiser....)

[kingRB]

Hahaha I like it :ok:

This is actually the mental image I had when I first heard of a "Victa Airtourer" :}

[Piano Man]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2496/dsc0034xgw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/dsc0034xgw.jpg/)

[Aye Ess]

Excellent Piano. Hey everyone Piano Man has just bought himself a new camera ;)

[Piano Man]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/351/dsc0033f.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/140/dsc0033f.jpg/)

[ABX]

Oh Yeah Piano, I really like that!:ok:

[Piano Man]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3694/dsc0027cx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/dsc0027cx.jpg/)

[Alistair]

Whats to like about a frog in an icecube?

Bloody imageshack!

One day I'd like to see the Piano Man's pictures.

BTW, what kind of camera did you get?

[Piano Man]

Firm believer in the fact that the lenses are key on an SLR, so have a Nikon D3100 and use the fixed Nikkor 35mm lens as my lens of choice!

Prior to the D3100 I had a D40 so it is nice to have an SLR with more than double the megapixels :}

[jas24zzk]

LOL @kharon.

just proves, if you give it enough horsepower...........

[MFB 2]

The frog in the cube is weird. When I am home in Cairns they appear normally, when I am away with laptop, I get the frog. It does open imageshack and the photo if you click the frog.

Cairns I use desktop with windows and mozilla. Laptop is a macbook air with safari, don't know if that has anything to do with it.


MB

[Chimbu chuckles]

Where

http://www.fototime.com/{14123945-D819-48DD-9E6D-9F4097884F72}/origpict/LNL.jpg

Forky suggested this could be deemed to flirt with brain washing.

Golden Child MK2...GC MK1 in background.
http://www.fototime.com/{B0961F82-F85A-4664-9F9E-97D6D09483C7}/origpict/Jacob%2520Tiger%2520Moth.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/{0C728C6C-3414-49ED-8109-463A140DD7F0}/origpict/Jacob%2520Tiger%2520Moth%25202.jpg

And Your point? :ok:

[Jack Ranga]

Sweet :ok: Photo one should be able to be replicated at Little River by Jan/Feb!

Not Watts Bridge is it?

[j3pipercub]

Wherever it is, it looks nice. Will they sell me enough land for a Hangar :O

j3

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Hey, CC. Fototime want you to pay a subscription so I can see your pics:}

[Chimbu chuckles]

Oh...ok:ok:

Impatient fckers:rolleyes:

[Jack Ranga]

Casino, 16th May, around 4pm?

[jas24zzk]

Looks to me like the young fella is getting somewhat impatient with the groundcrew to get the noise maker into action
:ok:

[jas24zzk]

Hey, CC. Fototime want you to pay a subscription so I can see your pics


Try using a real browser instead of microshafts junk. Viewable no problem in, Opera, Google Chrome, and firefox.

Yes i tested them all for your benefit babe :}

[Chimbu chuckles]

Mexicans:rolleyes::E:ok:

[VH-XXX]

My IE did the same thing earlier, said he needed to shell out some cash.

Golly, I'm feeling old, I remember when that kid was born and now he's piloting a TigerMoth!

[Jabawocky]

You are an old prick, you old prick :=

[Chimbu chuckles]

I think I should point out at this stage that JR is on the turps at Jabawocky's place...and that Jaba has, due to an excess of red wine, temporarily lost control of his 'puter.:ok:

[Jabawocky]

Bullsh!t, JR is the best ATC in the world, leave him alone, he can't be posting if he's working OT :ugh:

[Chimbu chuckles]

When the above was written Jaba was passed out on the couch snoring like you cant believe...:}

[Pinky the pilot]

JR is on the turps at Jabawocky's place

Drinking a good Red, one hopes.:ok: And you, Chuck? Not SP I hope.:ooh:

[Desert Flower]

Golly, I'm feeling old, I remember when that kid was born and now he's piloting a TigerMoth!

Yeah - & if his Grandpa doesn't hurry up & get that Bo together the kid will be flying 777's!

DF.

[Jabawocky]

Pinky..... Was a red or too involved, but I was having trouble keeping my eyes open 6 hours earlier......been a big couple of weeks for me :sad:.

Holidays coming in one month! STDBY for aero-p0rn pics from the USA :ok:

[Jerr]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/IMG_0268.jpg

[Jerr]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/IMG_0105.jpg

[Jerr]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/Melbourneairport2.jpg

[Jerr]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/IMG_0119.jpg

[Jerr]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w496/robinda40/Sunrise.jpg

[Arnold E]

Hmmm, what aircraft Jerr???

[maehhh]

Hmmm, what aircraft Jerr???

I'd guess a DA40 (from the T-tail...)

[frothy]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj286/Grothy1/VirginE19012thJune2012032Takeoff.jpg
Virgin E 190 at Gladstone this morning. With Qlink 717, is it the Battle of the Burners. GLA has got to get busier with the LNG related traffic, and ILS coming soon

Frothy

[Ultralights]

Some weekend fun learning to fly properly
Sunset Spinning in the Clouds. - YouTube

[Jack Ranga]

I think his patter is quite good and a very calm demeanour :E

[slackie]

Nice vid.... and the instructor indeed keeps very calm... and so he should, there's nothing to worry about, as he demonstrates an effortless recovery, and also talks the student through her own recovery.:ok::D

IMHO more pilots should avail themselves of a spin course (if it's not mandatory in your jurisdiction... is it anywhere?) and aerobatic course so that they are more capable of dealing with an "upset" should one occur.

[Jack Ranga]

Agree :ok: The difference in confidence is huge after doing an aeros course.

[Chimbu chuckles]

What aircraft?

Never seen an aeroplane where the engine stopping was a normal feature of the spin :confused:

[Lancair70]

Youve never spun a C150A then. I seem to recall it happening frequently.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Spun C150/152s a LOT and never saw it happen. In fact I had an incident in a C150 where it wouldn't initially recover and we spun from 4000' to something just under 500'...the engine never stopped.

Nor do I remember being briefed when I initially did spin training on my 3rd lesson (C152), and years later for my Instructor Rating spin approval, that I should expect it. Having said that I did the latter in a Traumahawk.

[slackie]

It's an Alpha (or Robin if French built), and the engine seems to stop most times when spinning to the left.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Very interesting:ok:

[Ultralights]

yep, its an Alpha 160
The previous lesson was forced landings using the Funnel technique. very simple and easy technique to learn, and gets you down on the spot every time.

reason for this lesson before spinning is that there is a chance the engine will stop in a carby aircraft if you spin long enough. in the alpha/robin, almost every time.

i find it sad, that a LOT, well, almost all of vids on Youtube that show someone spinning an aircraft, is that its almost never a fully developed stable spin. and only a few turns at most. most so far in my training is 30 turns. :ok:

oh, and thats not me being the student, but my partner.

[rjtjrt]

Ultralights wrote "The previous lesson was forced landings using the Funnel technique"

I'm not aware of the Funnel Technique.
Can you or someone enlighten me?

John

[Ultralights]

its hard to explain in detail, but its a simple technique used by glider pilots.
i might start another thread on it later if enough want to know about it

[Jack Ranga]

Having said that I did the latter in a Traumahawk.

Brave man :E

[Chimbu chuckles]

Yeah - was fascinating turning around during a 'mutual' spinning session taking turns to watch the tail waggle back and forth:uhoh:

Then the spin going flat after about 3 turns:suspect:

Then the nose going vertical and spinning faster for a couple of turns before stopping when you put in opposite rudder and forward stick. On one of the 'mutual' spins my fellow instructor candidate 'just forgot' to unload when he stomped on the opposite rudder - now THAT was interesting:ok:

[Jabawocky]

CC

Just reading that makes my head hurt....:uhoh:

Pity you did not have the little video back then!:sad:

[Jack Ranga]

About a month before my tommy was written off an instructor nearly wrote it (and himself) off, got it out of the spin about 4ooft AGL. He said he thought the whole tail was gonna come off :eek:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Well....at least the engine never stopped.:E

[Jack Ranga]

My d!ckhead partner had a prop strike in it, that's what stopped the prop :E

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Youve never spun a C150A then.

Yup! C150A, C152 and Traumahawk - lots!

I seem to recall it happening frequently.

Never happened to me - and I have let let them wind right up (FLOPT can vouch for that! :E).

Dr :8

PS: The engine always stopped when I spun the Blanik !! :O

[jas24zzk]

Most I ever did in a 150 derobat was 6 turns. Fan never stopped on that one.

Dr,
I once tried to airstart a Kookaburra, but by the time I realised that it was needed, I was already out of altitude.

Spinning the pilatus at minimum cockpit weight was the scariest thing I have ever done.....TF I was thoroughly briefed. NEVER did that again!

[jas24zzk]

Not sure if this will work.....

what and where :P no apologies for the quality...camera was cutting edge at the time. :ugh:


http://www.jasonpigdon.com/storage/pilatus.jpg

[40Deg STH]

Its a Pilatus B4, where!! I'm not sure. Was my first single seater

[denist]

I'll take a guess at Lake Keepit

[jas24zzk]

Lattitude guy has the type.
Sorry denist, wrong state :)


VH-GIF, likewise my first single seater. (probably the same airframe and location)

Picture was taken around 1989 if that helps.

[Skywagon1915]

Received two C162's this month and flown 35 hours in one of them. They are 24-8093 and 24-8182 registered RA-Aus. I really like them and the Garmin PFD/MFD display's. First 2 weeks have been faultless.

http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/aero/first_solo/first_solo_01.jpg

Grim determination

http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/aero/first_solo/first_solo_05.jpg

Flapless landing in the C162 at Moree

http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/aero/first_solo/first_solo_07.jpg

PFD and MFD is excellent

http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/aero/first_solo/first_solo_04.jpg

[Arnold E]

Sure makes for a neat and tidy dash. :ok:

[frigatebird]

Boring as batsh!t.. Some might like looking at rocker switches and circuit breakers all thye time, but for myne it seems like waste of prime panel space....

[PA39]

Very neat....whats the powerplant?

[Skywagon1915]

Continental 200 with 100 hp. Wide chord prop gives very good rate of climb. On training I'm seeing 16-18lt/hr fuel burn with 91 total.

[VH-XXX]

Great to see the second MFD in those machines as when I was flying one I lost the MFD and it wasn't a fantastic feeling with 3 hours on type wondering if I could land her safely (it was a non-event of course, but would certainly put you off on a first solo!). If it were mine and I had a single MFD I'd like to fit a few of those mini "Winter" brand instruments or similar.

My main complaints with them are accommodation (not fantastic if you are over 5'11" for long periods) and they are a little under-powered at 7,000ft plus at MTOW.

[Arnold E]

under-powered at 7,000ft plus at MTOW.

Well you aint gunna be at MTOW at 7000' unless you took off illegally, its gunna take some time and fuel to get to 7000' with 100hp.:eek::eek:

[cowl flaps]

Skywagon, in image # 1 is that the instructor on his knees praying before strapping in with a student ?

[Skywagon1915]

Ha, ha ... you could see it that way but it is the student trying to show me how he's on the ball with his DI. The plane is very stable, all the Advanced stall's etc have been very benign. It requires only light/moderate rudder input.

There is only the electric trim, so getting a student to grasp that concept starting from scratch has been awkward. I've been leaving the ENG page set up on the #2 MFD so he can see trim indicator. I have set up my own info on this MFD which makes my scan very comfortable at those critical times, for an old fella. The flaps are manual (10/25/40) and remind me of the C185 style and are light to deploy. It's a nice training platform.

http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/aero/first_solo/first_solo_02.jpg

[ranmar850]

Hmm, lovely clean loooking dash, everything looks accessible in a hurry...but ALL glass? I know it is touted as the way of the future, but I think I'd at least like to see some steam gauges--AH and ASI could get you out of a lot of trouble if it all that lovely glass goes dark. I might just be old fashioned...

[ranmar850]

Boring as batsh!t.. Some might like looking at rocker switches and circuit breakers all thye time, but for myne it seems like waste of prime panel space....

If that's boring, because it is clearly laid out and equally accessible to both seats, I'll take boring. Everything else is taken care of by the glass (as long as it is lit:E)
Never flown with an MFD-is critical information such as AS, Alt and heading always shown, regardless of which particular screen config is selected, preferably always in the same place on the screen? I just have this mental picture of a panicked low-hours student stabbing blindly trying to get back what he wants, and forgetting to actually fly the machine:rolleyes:

[VH-XXX]

Well you aint gunna be at MTOW at 7000' unless you took off illegally, its gunna take some time and fuel to get to 7000' with 100hp

There is always one.... Climbing through 7,000ft on an MTOW departure takes a while if that makes you happy....

Where I got the 162 from they were landing them way too fast, over 60 and were floating for hundreds of metres. Low 50's works well.

Skywagon - make sure you tell them they need flap locks attached when parking as when the wind blows from behing it will over-ride the springs and damage the flaps. They'll need to make something up and strap them on. The ones I fly have them strapped to the rudder pedals.

[Skywagon1915]

Got a picture handy ? Thanks.

[frigatebird]

Always amazes me the way the local ultralight importer comes up with a new way of laying out his panels for each new customer. The Rate of Climb indicator always seems to get a prime spot however, even at the expense of something really useful in marginal conditions like an AH if it doesn't have the glass display. Flap selector switches, light switches, magneto switches, radio positioning, etc, are never in the same place in two aircraft of the same type. Progress....??!!

The C 17 seems to have departed from over my house after his two practise NDB approaches. They come in the fine weather for training or endorsements. Was talking to one crew one day and they said they don't get to use the ADF much. At least they can still practice over our airfield, the one at Hervey Bay was de-commissioned..

[NZFlyingKiwi]

Skywagon, interesting reading your post, what particularly stuck out was the mention of "light/moderate rudder" as that's one of the biggest complaints I have about the two that we have - they have bucketloads of adverse yaw, which is not inherently a bad thing in terms of teaching students to use their feet, but the pedal pressures required seem dramatically out of proportion to anything else I've flown - significantly more force required than even a 182 for example, and coupled with the extremely light pitch and roll control it makes for a pretty un-natural feeling which I'm finding even I'm struggling with a bit, let alone the students! I've found you almost need to lead the turn with rudder slightly as if you're flying an old biplane!

Would be interesting to know whether ours have abnormally stiff pedals, or perhaps I've just grown soft from flying the other aircraft in our fleet!

I haven't had any problems with the electric trim so far, although it does seem to take slightly longer for students to get used to than conventional manual trim.

I've found the flap lever is rather difficult to operate from (particularly) the right seat compared to the lever in a typical Piper (haven't flown a 180 or 185 yet) as it requires twisting your arm through an awkward angle, and then gets in the way of the throttle a bit. It also doesn't have clearly defined detents like in the Pipers so you sort of have to pull the lever to what feels about right and then let it go and hope you haven't released it before the detent! I've also had the flaps partially retract on me during an approach once which I think may have been due to inadvertently placing my elbow on the release button of the flap lever while holding the throttle - pilot error but an easy mistake to make, especially for a student! I've been teaching my guys to lower the flaps when they're taxiing with a tailwind of more than about 15 knots to stop them blowing down.

We make sure all our students have done a circuit or two with the flight display turned off before we send them out solo as we only have one display in ours!

On the plus side, the stalling characteristics are about as good as you could hope for in a trainer, the take off and landing performance rivals some dedicated STOL aircraft and the fuel consumption (or lack of it) is quite remarkable.

55kt or a bit below does seem to work well for short final, from memory the POH does recommend 60 or something like that, but as VH-XXX said they float forever at that speed, the ASI usually seems to be indicating about 40 when the wheels are touching the ground.

[Ultralights]

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part formation lesson, on way to conducting spinning lesson earlier.

not me flying, but partner.

[Jabawocky]

Hey UL,

If my memory serves me correctly......she is WAY better looking than you old mate!

Punching above ones weight there! :ok:

Great video too!

[BlatantLiar]

That is some very cool footage thats been nicely put together Ultralights. Keep the videos coming. I see you're very serious about your filming. Whenever I see the 3D gopro set up I think theres something wrong with my screen. :ok:

[Ultralights]

i didnt put the videos together, i am not that good at editing, the Lovely woman flying put them all together. and yep, its a 3D setup behind, but sadly, the 3d didnt quite work, the pilots heads were to close, the panel was perfect 3d, and the clouds, not so 3D. but we will keep experimenting with the camera setups. The school also provide their own cameras and record every flight for debrief purposes.

[RadioSaigon]

Great vids! I've just bought a GoPro for use in W.Papua (leave tomorrow!) -now you've got me wondering how you got the intercom/VHF audio in there so seamlessly? Would appreciate a pointer!

[jas24zzk]

So where DO they put the Made in China sticker?
It has to have one somewhere!

[Ultralights]

on the Gopro Hero2, which we have, there is a audio In on the side of the camera, you can get a cheap adapter, that you can plug inline with the speaker line and records all you hear through your headset to the camera. its then a simple matter of syncing up the audio with the forward looking camera with some editing software. the headset is pluged into the aft looking camera.
like this one
http://www.downunderpilotshop.com.au/images/products/P/A/PA80.jpg

you can drill a hole in the side of the housing, or buy a skeleton housing with cutouts for access to ports already made

[BlatantLiar]

So where DO they put the Made in China sticker?
It has to have one somewhere!

Its right next to the sticker that says '1 POB permitted with full fuel'.

[RadioSaigon]

Brilliant Ultralights, thanks! Yeah, mine is the Hero2 also, I saw the mic port & thought that opened some interesting possibilities! I'll keep an eye open for the adapter!

[VH-XXX]

1 POB? Not quite!

Depending on equipment levels payload approximately 222kgs.

[training wheels]

part formation lesson, on way to conducting spinning lesson earlier.

not me flying, but partner.

Love the videos Ultralights .. keep them coming!! :ok: .. and your partner has got a better set than yours ... I mean headset off course!! ;)

[Howard Hughes]

part formation lesson, on way to conducting spinning lesson earlier.

not me flying, but partner.
Who was flying the second ship?