View Full Version : How jails should be run

Mr Lexx
9th Aug 2006, 10:14


These are some of the reasons why:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail."

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again only allowed the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

More on the Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 year. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.

More details here :http://www.mcso.org/ The "Tent City" jail has a 60 foot watchtower with a pink neon "vacancy" sign on it!

tony draper
9th Aug 2006, 11:22
Great stuff,one likes the cut of Sherrif Joe's Jib.

9th Aug 2006, 11:34
Policies like that, widely adopted, would make for a better world.

9th Aug 2006, 11:36
Does anyone know what the recidivism rate is before banging the drums?

9th Aug 2006, 11:40
Sherrif Joe is not a copper, he is a politician and as corrupt as the rest of them, even more so. He condones brutality by his prison guards against prisoners who are in there for non violent crimes. The way he runs his jails is a disgrace, I know people who have been locked up in there who have had to flash their tits in order to get a drink of water in the Phoenix summer . Joe puts non violent criminals in the same tents as violent criminals, and let's his guards watch while they find their place in the pecking order.

I know a lawyer who makes a fortune in out of court settlements against Sherrif Joe for the way he runs his jails. Joe should spend those millions of taxpayers money on making sure his inmates are treated humanely, but that wouldn't get him re-elected. However he has done a great job of scaring the sh!t out of drunk drivers in Mariocopa county. So that is not a bad thing.

9th Aug 2006, 11:45

Well done lads. You all jumped in as you always do, without your ducks in a row. Not sure I'm keen on being labelled a huggy fluff, but better that than a wild eyed hang em & shoot 'em merchant. I recall the first page of the Jean Charles De Menezes thread. Still, he was a smelly furriner weren't he? And no, someone hasn't let the air out of my girlfriend this morning, before you ask.


green granite
9th Aug 2006, 11:48
Not quite certain I'd go that far here but making prisoners earn their keep by working at worthwile things certainly has my vote :ok:

9th Aug 2006, 12:11
Perhaps Joe collects the oeuvre of Tom T Hall:


One time I spent a week inside a little country jail
And I don't guess I'll ever live it down
I was sittin' at a red light when these two men came and got me
And said that I was speeding through their town

Well, they said,"Tomorrow morning you can see the judge then go."
They let me call one person on the phone
I thought I'd be there overnight so I just called my boss
To tell him I'd be off but not for long

Well, they motioned me inside a cell with seven other guys
One little barred up window in the rear
My cellmates said if they had let me bring some money in
We ought to send the jailer for some beer

Well, I had to pay him double 'cause he was the man in charge
And the jailer's job was not the best in town
Later on his wife brought hot bologna, eggs and gravy
The first day I was there I turned it down

Well, next morning they just let us sleep but I was up real early
Wonderin' when I'd get my release
Later on we got more hot bologna, eggs and gravy
And by now I wasn't quite so hard to please

Two days later when I thought that I had been forgotten
The sheriff came in chewin' on a straw
He said, "Where is the guy who thinks that this is Indianapolis?
I'd like to talk to him about the law."

Well, I told him who I was and told him I was working steady
And I really should be gettin' on my way
That part about me bein' who I was did not impress him
He said, "The judge'll be here any day."

The jailer had a wife and let me tell you she was awful
But she brought that hot bologna every day
And after seven days she got to lookin' so much better
I asked her if she'd like to run away

The next mornin' that old judge took every nickel that I had
And he said, "Son, let this teach you not to race."
The jailer's wife was smilin' from the window as I left
In thirty minutes I was out of state

9th Aug 2006, 12:18
At least Sheriff Joe is doing something many of us have been asking from our dear leaders for a long time. What has a politician ever done for law and order other than use it as part of his/her smoke and mirrors style statistic to induce fear on the electorate. Those who are in there on a lesser sentence will get out soon enough but during their short time 'inside' they'll learn not to come back :) Amen .....! This has surely got to be a good thing.

Well done Sheriff Joe maybe you can also kick some political ass too .... :)

9th Aug 2006, 12:18
If someone has to flash to get a drink, that works for me. If violent and non violent are together, that works for me. If jails have their own pecking order sorted in house, that works for me. If he is as corrupt as the rest, ok, but what has that got to do with jail policy. Jail should be where you don't want to be, that works for me. :ok:

9th Aug 2006, 20:30
I'd do away with our jail system Pack them all of to uninhabited islands around the coasts of Scotland, Iceland and mid-Atlantic. Equip them with a pick and shovel,a few legths of rope and some tarpaulins, a few seeds and let them get on with it. Paedos, terrorists and murderers would be sent to that Scottish island that was saturated with anthrax spores during WW2.

Vote for BUMPFF!

Two's in
9th Aug 2006, 21:06
Not forgetting that inmates earn between 10c and 50c an hour for "Labor", and Sherriff Joe charges them 90c a day for their food (Bologna Sandwiches!)

10th Aug 2006, 06:39
If only there were a big island on the opposite side of the globe. A place blessed with blazing hot sunshine, very little water and infested with poisonous spiders, snakes and man-eating lizards. Somewhere where we could send them all to work out their own pecking order and rules.

10th Aug 2006, 06:43
Alcatraz? :confused:

or Australia of course.

10th Aug 2006, 06:47
I've always thought that jailed violent criminals should generate power - if they want to eat. :}

10th Aug 2006, 06:48
Australia? Nah! Too civilised.

But there is rumoured to be an unknown southern continent called Four-Ecks somewhere to the south-east of where I am now....

11th Aug 2006, 23:02
You would think from the way that you are talking that prison in this part of the world is a walk in the park. It isn't. Here in Dublin things have been pretty bad in the main prison - Mountjoy with 1 prisoner murdered and 3 seriously assaulted over the past 10 days. I've been there and it's not a good place to be - built in the 1850s, no toilets in the cell, 6 or 7 sharing a holding cell with no beds just matresses. Don't think anybody would enjoy it and I'm sure it's similar in some prisons in England too.

11th Aug 2006, 23:14
You Are Not Meant To Enjoy It!!!!!!!!!

11th Aug 2006, 23:21
Yeah, I've heard of this four-ecks place, seem to remember something to do with wash-wind and some giant pachyderms IIRC. lol.

I would applaud the methods if only they kind of worked. Looking at the recedivism suggests it just plain doesn't.

One has to ask, should we be running modern jails like POW camps? I'm not of the pinko lefty fluffy wuffy tree hugging apologist bent, but I'm sure a drink of water now and then isn't too much to ask!

11th Aug 2006, 23:26
Send them down the mines!

11th Aug 2006, 23:47
Don't think anybody would enjoy it - you just have to put up with it and get through it as best you can. I know there are alot of people who will get back into trouble as soon as they are out but there are just as many who do their best to start again and it's not wasy. It shouldn't be easy and it isn't but this guy seems to go to far - chain gangs, pink clothes and boasting about spending more on food for his dogs than the prisoners - that's just mad.

12th Aug 2006, 00:01
If you must go to prison try to do it in Abilene TX, for it is written

If you ever go to jail in Abilene,
If you ever go to jail in Abilene,
If you ever go to jail
And you'd like a piece of tail,
The Sheriff's wife's for sale in Abilene.

Regis Potter
12th Aug 2006, 01:25
As someone who has experienced the Tent's project first hand I can assure you that it is not a place one would wish to visit again. Apparently, prison is more humane & inmates who have served time in both attest to this. The detention officer's vary but the level of verbal abuse from some of these individuals is disgusting. I am all for the tough stance that Arpaio takes & it certainly is an enormous deterent to someone who ordinarily considers himself to be a normal, law abiding citizen, however many of the inmates are repeat offenders who will likely be in & out of the place for the rest of their lives. I met people who in a normal society would probably be in the care of mental health professionals, not in jail. The only rehabilitation program offered seemed to focus on religious cleansing (there are others for drug abuse etc but the theme is generally the same). Basically, the place is largely full of poorly educated, unemployed individuals with no concept of right from wrong who really need some kind of conditioning prior to release back into society. And of course, illegal immigrants from Mexico who can't speak English and rely on other inmates interpretting what the DO's (who know they can't understand) are shouting at them.

But as it says on the sign as you enter, "Sherriff Joe welcomes you !" If it wasn't so sad it would be a joke.

12th Aug 2006, 07:41
Send them to New Orleans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4782449.stm) in hurricane season! :(

12th Aug 2006, 09:45
Send all the miners to jail!

Step one I think is we must collectively work oout whether it's Jail or Gaol :confused:

Step two is we must remember that gererally deterence only works on those who generally aren't going to go to jail in the first place.

Step three is cryogenic suspension.

Bob Lenahan
12th Aug 2006, 16:14
"gererally deterence only works on those who generally aren't going to go to jail in the first place."

One of the most intelligent statements I've ever heard.

12th Aug 2006, 19:52
Ok, so if these uneducated people are 'going to do it anyway' whether we like it or not, then why bother spending law abiding taxpayers money on them? My comments are not thinly disguised, they tell it like it is for me. If you go to jail, you lose your rights to normality. It really is easy, if you don't want to go there, don't break the law.
I come from a working class background in an area as rough as they come, poverty was always apparent at my school. It didn't drive us to crime, like these lefty pinkos seem to suggest. We chose to be law abiding, many of us took the easy way out and joined the forces. Very few of my mates have been locked up. Comments like 'they don't know right from wrong' are valid in many cities thesedays, Liverpool is one such place. However, I believe they don't know this because they are not properly punished, there is NO deterrent to antisocial behaviour. Bring one of these jails to liverpool and you will halve the crime rate overnight IMHO. Bring it on!!! :D