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thefunky1
1st Aug 2006, 11:26
Apologies if not posted in correct place but i was wondering if any one had seen this...
Passenger kicked off HK plane over Gucci handbag
Monday July 31, 09:53 AM
HONG KONG (AFP) - A passenger was escorted off a Tokyo-bound plane in Hong Kong after she refused to put her Gucci handbag under the seat, disrupting the flight for more than an hour, a report said.
The Cathay Pacific plane was ready to take off but was forced to stop on the runway because the young passenger would not listen to a flight attendant's request, the Apple Daily reported.
After 15 minutes of argument, police officers, airport security guards and airline officials were called in to resolve the situation, but she still refused to give in, it said.
After an officer threatened to arrest her, the unnamed passenger finally agreed to leave the plane with her Gucci handbag, much to the delight of her angry fellow passengers who clapped as she was escorted off.
"It's not my fault, it was them who were too stubborn," she shouted as she was leaving.
The incident, captured on camera by another passenger and published on the Internet, resulted in a delay of the flight of more than an hour.

Taildragger67
1st Aug 2006, 11:42
This topic getting a good airing at http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237086

refplus20
1st Aug 2006, 13:37
Pictures here ....
http://hk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vv614vv/album?.dir=2f88re2&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//hk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vv614vv/my_photos
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spannersatcx
1st Aug 2006, 14:42
I bet it was a 'copy' as well!:=

eidah
1st Aug 2006, 18:37
Looks like she was sat at an emergency exit so she had to put he bag up. well done to the crew for getting her off the aircraft at the end of the day there are rules which have to be followed.:=

Jerricho
1st Aug 2006, 18:39
What the report fails to tell you is that the bag wouldn't fit in the overhead bin because of the 4 other bags she brought on the plane with her. :E

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
1st Aug 2006, 18:42
Why would they think Jerricho's MIL should go UNDER a seat?

:confused:

AcroChik
1st Aug 2006, 18:44
I'm baffled by why people insist on traveling with steal-me-first luggage.

Jerricho
1st Aug 2006, 18:44
IFE - you can kick her as often as you want.

A330ismylittlebaby
1st Aug 2006, 19:29
Where's the video?:p

G-CPTN
1st Aug 2006, 19:40
Ying tong iddle i po!

G-CPTN
1st Aug 2006, 19:42
Looks like she was sat at an emergency exit so she had to put he bag up. well done to the crew for getting her off the aircraft at the end of the day there are rules which have to be followed.:=
Why didn't they offer her the jump seat?

G-ZUZZ
1st Aug 2006, 19:49
Apple have their own newspaper now??

eidah
1st Aug 2006, 21:26
Why didn't they offer her the jump seat?

I do not know of any airline who would let pax sit on a jumpseat and a bag at the jumpseat is just as bad as a bag at the emergency exit seats

G-ZUZZ
1st Aug 2006, 21:38
Why didn't they just ask her to loop the seat-belt through the handle of the gucci bag, then it can't go anywhere and she gets to hold it.

Wouldn't that be simpler than the hosties arguing with her for an hour?

BOFH
1st Aug 2006, 21:42
I do not know of any airline who would let pax sit on a jumpseat and a bag at the jumpseat

I think G-CPTN meant the Gucci in the jumpseat, bag where she was booked. More intelligent company, and all that.

BOFH

G-CPTN
2nd Aug 2006, 01:35
I was obliquely suggesting that if the SEAT that she was sitting-in was the problem, then offering her an alternative might be a solution. Of course, if the a/c was FULL, then the only seat might be the jump seat (NOT a viable option IMO). She could have been made to sit in the loo (for the whole flight). She was either an extremely stubborn pax, or there was 'problem' with the CC (do as I say or I'll squeem and squeem until I'm sick). It's amazing how such standoffs arise (try bringing-up kids). Minor confrontations can soon escalate into life-threatening challenges.

Taildragger67
2nd Aug 2006, 09:32
G-ZUZZ and G-CPTN (with whom I almost invariably agree),

Being asked to put a handbag away is a reasonable request. She didn't comply. Bye-bye.

I've happily complied with requests to put newspapers up top when in exit seats; blankets and pillows away when in CW; and to have my (properly-sized) rollie put in the hold when the overheads are full. At some point, it becomes easier to just comply, even if you think the crew are wrong.

They're simply following orders and in many carriers, the idea of initiative has been beaten out of them on pain of dismissal. From the F/A's point of view, it's not worth their job to let this one punter bend the rules.

This is the commercial aviation industry. Common sense does not automatically apply. :ugh:

G-CPTN
2nd Aug 2006, 11:42
She was either an extremely stubborn pax,
This was my primary position. Some pax will squeem and squeem if they aren't treated with 'respect' (film 'stars' are typical of this). Cabin crew (like parents) have to decide what is REALLY important, rather than 'the rules' and act accordingly. The result of the confrontation is that the a/c was delayed for an hour. This may have been justified.

cavortingcheetah
2nd Aug 2006, 12:01
:hmm:

The woman was travelling on her own, sitting well back near a bulkhead on an inside seat, without a clear window view on a daylight flight in economy on the right hand side of a full wide body. The aircraft was flying from Hong Kong to Tokyo. The woman was of oriental extraction and quite well dressed.
Her outside view would have been severely handicapped and it would have taken her longer than most to disembark upon arrival.
She is therefore an inexperienced passenger, probably Japanese, returning home, probably laden down with duty free goods possibly bought airside in order to circumvent a weight or quantity check in hand baggage regulations.
The Gucci bag in question was probably not a handbag, but rather an item of hand baggage. The passenger did not remonstrate with the crew by means of demonstrating its size. The bag in question was almost certainly a counterfiet Gucci bag, bought at Hong Kong airport in order to facilitate the carriage of duty free purchases. Economy passengers of limited travel sophistication cannot normally afford real Gucci bags. By buying a fake Gucci bag the woman aids and abetts the counterfeit market and by attempting to carry counterfeit goods across international borders invokes the wrath of Customs and Excise. In a certain country, not too far away from Hong Kong, she might have been taken out and shot for such an action! There are those who might think that this would have been a good idea anyway, expecially given the fact that her intransigence caused, at the least, an APU, to run its pollutant pathway for an hour or so.
Great fun coming with standing room only passengers on the A380?;)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
2nd Aug 2006, 13:33
Being asked to put a handbag away is a reasonable request.not if it contained her gun and a ki of H. She'd need to keep her eye on it in that case :8

G-CPTN
2nd Aug 2006, 13:38
You never SAID that she was an Air Marshal . . .

theresalwaysone
2nd Aug 2006, 21:30
Pax that dont obey the reasonable instructions of cabin crew should not be on board and as a captain I will back all of my crew up on that without fail-- otherwise you will get the stuation where I say evacuate and they say WHAT IN THESE TROUSERS!

G-CPTN
2nd Aug 2006, 21:40
I always remove my trousers before I evacuate. It saves on the washing.

sixmilehighclub
2nd Aug 2006, 23:05
Why didn't they just ask her to loop the seat-belt through the handle of the gucci bag, then it can't go anywhere and she gets to hold it.

1, in the event of bracing, it would get in the way
2, in the event of her being thrown forward in her seat for any reason, the bag would be thrown forward at an angle causing a weak spot on the seatbelt and distorting the her safe momentum and direction to possibly cause injury.
3, it gets tangled in the seatbelt and during an evacuation could be tripped upon, get limbs caught in
4, why is it fair they should have easy access to their lip gloss and mirror and everyone else has to bend down and struggle to reach under the seat in front of them?
5, because the cabin crew said so.... okay??? :* :ugh:

:}

chadwick
2nd Aug 2006, 23:35
2, in the event of her being thrown forward in her seat for any reason, the bag would be thrown forward at an angle causing a weak spot on the seatbelt and distorting the her safe momentum and direction to possibly cause injuryBut a large infant on lap does not?

No Mate!
3rd Aug 2006, 03:10
I have been made aware this scoop is not an iota veritable.

sixmilehighclub
3rd Aug 2006, 03:24
But a large infant on lap does not?

Hey I've never tried that! Any takers guys?? :}

No Mate!
3rd Aug 2006, 03:38
Did you not take notice of what I supposed infantile young man?

Minty Fresh
3rd Aug 2006, 09:36
I'm childish enough to give it a go Six

Brace yourself :E

ORAC
3rd Aug 2006, 09:40
Infants should be stowed under the seat in front or in the overhead compartments for take-off and landing... :cool:

Taildragger67
3rd Aug 2006, 16:00
But a large infant on lap does not?

Belt system for a child has been tested to same stress as normal restraint system. Does not rely on parent restraining child with hands.

In the case of the bag, not tested to stress. Can fly forward with inertia and strap break - becomes a projectile.

ATEOTD, she was asked to put it somewhere by crew - a reasonable request. Crew have probably had any rule-bending beaten out of them by management. She didn't comply with a reasonable request. A passenger is welcome to do that. But they may need to then find alternative transport.

G-CPTN
3rd Aug 2006, 16:13
I think she should have had her knickers pulled down and her bottom smacked!

zarniwoop
3rd Aug 2006, 16:29
I think you've just found a good incentive to get people to upgrade G-CPTN, the in-flight entertainment is better.

chadwick
3rd Aug 2006, 20:17
Belt system for a child has been tested to same stress as normal restraint system. Does not rely on parent restraining child with handsTaildragger I am fully aware of the systems used to restrain infants during flight.

My point is:- if a bag handle can break due to in the event of her being thrown forward in her seat for any reason, the bag would be thrown forward at an angle causing a weak spot on the seatbelt and distorting the her safe momentum and direction to possibly cause injurythis. The point a child seat lap joins the adult lap restrain may cause the same situation!

theresalwaysone
4th Aug 2006, 01:30
I think she should have had her knickers pulled down and her bottom smacked!

But only by the commander of the aircraft as per the Anal Navigation Order!

crjo
4th Aug 2006, 14:53
:ugh:

Hello all,

I might be a bit of the Devil's advocate here, but... Beeing escorted out by the police for a carry-on bag ? ?
I have trouble believing that another solution could not be found !
We all know there is plenty of storage places on board an aircraft this size. Due to the exceptionnal situation, was it not possible to offer a deal to this lady such as "let us stow this bag away during take-off, and you'll get it back right after ?" or something similar ?

All I'm saying is that sometimes, I see situations escalade simply because of lack of communication and/or social skills on the part of crewmembers ! The tone of voice is often very important. These passengers relinquish all control when they board an airplane. Some of them are nervous, afraid. I am sometimes appalled at the way crew members address them !

Of course in this situation, we don't really know what was said, how things were asked etc, but to go all the way like that ?

Just seems extreme to me !

G-CPTN
4th Aug 2006, 14:58
A point that I tried to make, but it was dismissed. :confused:

She was either an extremely stubborn pax, or there was 'problem' with the CC (do as I say or I'll squeem and squeem until I'm sick). It's amazing how such standoffs arise (try bringing-up kids). Minor confrontations can soon escalate into life-threatening challenges.

Some pax will squeem and squeem if they aren't treated with 'respect' (film 'stars' are typical of this). Cabin crew (like parents) have to decide what is REALLY important, rather than 'the rules' and act accordingly. The result of the confrontation is that the a/c was delayed for an hour.

cavortingcheetah
4th Aug 2006, 16:22
:hmm:

This was a flight full of orientals going from one far eastern place to another.
There is something which we in the west call 'face' when sometimes speaking of those in the east. I rather fancy that someone lost it here one way or the other.
Frankly, who cares anyway? The woman should have been removed at once by any means necessary, commensurate with her level of resistance.:D

G-CPTN
4th Aug 2006, 16:58
There is something which we in the west call 'face' when sometimes speaking of those in the east.
How true! I used to deal with an inscrutable female oriental buyer in Honkers (and another in Swingapaw). Confrontation was NOT an option, you had make out that YOU had lost and THEY had won . . .
Mind you, some of the UK-based 'commercial' people were born out of wedlock. Like the occasion when I approached 'with a percentage figure in mind' and he AGREED! However, I was talking about INCREASE and HE was looking for a reduction . . . :ugh:

SXB
4th Aug 2006, 20:55
This was a flight full of orientals going from one far eastern place to another.
There is something which we in the west call 'face' when sometimes speaking of those in the east. I rather fancy that someone lost it here one way or the other.
Frankly, who cares anyway? The woman should have been removed at once by any means necessary, commensurate with her level of resistance

Cavortingcheetah has it in one. Two orientals in such an argument is the immoveable object and the irresistable force however pointless it may seem.

Also, a few posters seem to infer that this woman was in an emergency exit seat which, the posted pics clearly illustrate, is not the case