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MAN777
30th Jul 2006, 08:28
Just read a report in the UK sunday times about the planned development of small cheap business jet, they claim there is a potential market for thousands of them.
Just a couple of points
Where are all the ATPL pilots going to come from to fly the things and where are the ATC slots to accomodate the movements ?
chevvron
30th Jul 2006, 14:22
Planned development? Several types have flown already, and some are even being/have been delivered to customers.
Take a look at the thread called 'Eclipse Update' for instance.
Mad (Flt) Scientist
30th Jul 2006, 16:11
Where are all the ATPL pilots going to come from to fly the things and where are the ATC slots to accomodate the movements ?
Quite a few of them are being marketed as self-piloted, and compared to the large number of GA pilots its not such a huge expansion in crewing.
And since most of them will use smaller airports, both for convenience near to the journey start/end points and to avoid exorbitant landing fees, there shouldn't be a slot problem as such.
MAN777
30th Jul 2006, 17:12
OK thats understood but what about airways slots ? Presumably these aircraft fly at a reasonable speed and altitude ? therefore I would expect they require airways slots, are these available ? say for instance 100+ extra movements into Farnborough per day ? All a bit vague I know but I cant imagine hoards of self fly 500 mph biz jets having a free for all in the southeast of England.
chevvron
30th Jul 2006, 18:11
Inevitably there'll be the cowboys, (more money than sense) unable to get a slot for airways, who'll simply blast about in class G airspace relying on TCAS and GPS to keep them out of trouble. Oh and already overloaded LARS controllers.
Farnborough is strictly PPR, so the operators would have a say in who they accept; aircraft are often turned away if they haven't booked in advance, especially at weekends. In any case, these cowboys would expect to use Heathrow anyway.
AcroChik
31st Jul 2006, 04:51
A bunch of operators are planning to turn the skies dark with these babies. Just imagine the pay drivers will get. In-flight catering by Dunkin Donuts. Hope the PAX tip!
eglk01
31st Jul 2006, 21:06
Theres plenty of room at the Bushe for the Eclipse splendid quite aircraft,
saw it flying at Tiamiami in February this year,one of our customers is due
to take Delivery this Year,cant wait to see it.
cheers!!:D
Looooong haul
2nd Aug 2006, 07:57
Quite a few of them are being marketed as self-piloted, and compared to the large number of GA pilots its not such a huge expansion in crewing.
And since most of them will use smaller airports, both for convenience near to the journey start/end points and to avoid exorbitant landing fees, there shouldn't be a slot problem as such.
Self piloted??? No slot problems???? havent you heard of airway slots?? This is an extremely overhyped product. Yes there is place for a few hundred of these but not the thousands as the manufactureres make you believe! :8
eglk01
8th Aug 2006, 08:55
following on from this anybody know anything about JETSETAIR LTD? looked
at there website not been any updates for a while,looks very intresting
how many Eclipses to be based in U.K.? bases?